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[ytz]

Canadian Joint Forces Command - Canada.ca

The Canadian Joint Forces Command (CJFC) has been established as a new command within the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) with Lieutenant-General Darcy Molstad and Chief Warrant Officer Donovan Crawford appointed as its inaugural command team. Its creation marks a major step forward in improving...

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Joint Forces Command is up.

 

[OldTanker]

Can someone explain A. Why the CF needs yet another HQ, and B. What is the difference between CJFC and CFJOC?

 

[MilEME09]

Can someone explain A. Why the CF needs yet another HQ, and B. What is the difference between CJFC and CFJOC?

CJFC is merging 5 commands together, with a 6th being added after legislation changes occur.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Can someone explain A. Why the CF needs yet another HQ, and B. What is the difference between CJFC and CFJOC?

Is this helpful?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-military-joint-command-drones-9.7002888

 

[ytz]

Can someone explain A. Why the CF needs yet another HQ, and B. What is the difference between CJFC and CFJOC?

From the Backgrounder.

Why Was the Canadian Joint Forces Command Created
Multiple studies identified gaps in how CAF joint capabilities are generated, developed, managed, and sustained. CJFC addresses these gaps by:

1. Centralizing leadership and accountability for joint capabilities
2. Improving coherence and innovation
3. Supporting interoperability across domains and with allied forces

Lots of people here gave commented too on the lack of integration in the CAF. Well this is part of fixing that.

 

[Kirkhill]

I think the only thing stopping access here is a giant cheque. If we order in a large enough amount we'll get priority.

But like everything else, now that build in Canada is a priority, you won't see any easy order for made in Europe.

On the plus side there is a lot of opportunity for us to continue with our branch-plant mentality.

It is not just military operations that are being dispersed. Rheinmetall, BAE, Patria and Hanwha aren't building super-factories at home. They are spreading them around across partner countries. Increased good will with jobs and increased resilience - more targets and not all of them will be in reach. Some may even be protected by non-combatant governments.

 

[dapaterson]

From the Backgrounder.



Lots of people here gave commented too on the lack of integration in the CAF. Well this is part of fixing that.

Creating it is good.

The lack of CSS officers to command it, less so.

That we deselect CSS at Maj by giving them disproportionately fewer spots on JCSP is a systematic failure on the part of the CAF.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Creating it is good.

The lack of CSS officers to command it, less so.

That we deselect CSS at Maj by giving them disproportionately fewer spots on JCSP is a systematic failure on the part of the CAF.

Well, it's not like we need that skill all that much in positions of high command, right?

 

[dapaterson]

Well, it's not like we need that skill all that much in positions of high command, right?

The CAF lacks personnel, materiel and equipment.

Almost as if you need more senior folks from a sustainment background to ensure the long term survivability of the institution.

 

[McG]

What is the difference between CJFC and CFJOC?

CJOC is the joint force employment command of the CAF. The CJFC will be a joint force generator and an institutional support command.

CJFC is merging 5 commands together, with a 6th being added after legislation changes occur.

No. CJFC will take staff organizations & L2 formations from other commands (including CJOC, SJS, & MPC).

 

[quadrapiper]

On the plus side there is a lot of opportunity for us to continue with our branch-plant mentality.

It is not just military operations that are being dispersed. Rheinmetall, BAE, Patria and Hanwha aren't building super-factories at home. They are spreading them around across partner countries. Increased good will with jobs and increased resilience - more targets and not all of them will be in reach. Some may even be protected by non-combatant governments.

Nation-building (subset: anywhere other than Upper & Lower Canada) suggestion: Crofton BC for a Korean armour plant. Other former mill towns available if desired.

 

[dapaterson]

Nation-building (subset: anywhere other than Upper & Lower Canada) suggestion: Crofton BC for a Korean armour plant. Other former mill towns available if desired.

Crofton looks like a better site for the RCN...

 

[quadrapiper]

Crofton looks like a better site for the RCN...

That too, especially if you feel that NWOs require enrichment activities. Not inaccessible by any means, but certainly well-supplied with features of interest.

 

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ROME, Dec 4 (Reuters) - Italy's defence minister on Thursday said other countries, including Germany and Australia, may be interested in entering the GCAP fighter jet programme in the future, with requests also coming from Saudi Arabia and Canada.

Italy says Germany and other countries may be interested in GCAP jet programme

Italy's defence minister on Thursday said other countries, including Germany and Australia, may be interested in entering the GCAP fighter jet programme in the future, with requests also coming from Saudi Arabia and Canada.

www.reuters.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

Crofton looks like a better site for the RCN...

I'm no Navy expert but, deepwater port or not, it seems like a pretty small facility as it can only accommodate one 'big ship' at a time. I'd assume they'd try to expand that if the Navy leased/owned it..

 

[Cloud Cover]

I'm no Navy expert but, deepwater port or not, it seems like a pretty small facility as it can only accommodate one 'big ship' at a time. I'd assume they'd try to expand that if the Navy leased/owned it..

Imagine the law suits, land claims and whining about displacing the traditional indigenous submersible canoe fleet used for fishing.

 

[Fabius]

CJOC is the joint force employment command of the CAF. The CJFC will be a joint force generator and an institutional support command.


No. CJFC will take staff organizations & L2 formations from other commands (including CJOC, SJS, & MPC).

If you understand “Joint” in the CJFC to be NOT Army, Air Force, Navy, SOF and think of it as “Purple”, your likely further along.

It will likely help force generation but its impact on the CAF being able to think and execute Joint operations will likely be minimal.

I don’t get why IAMD forces would fall under this new structure either.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Imagine the law suits, land claims and whining about displacing the traditional indigenous submersible canoe fleet used for fishing.

It's been industrial waterfront for a few decades, as well as a BC Ferried port, so I assume there's the appropriate licensing etc already in place but yeah, who knows these days...

 

[McG]

If you understand “Joint” in the CJFC to be NOT Army, Air Force, Navy, SOF and think of it as “Purple”, your likely further along.

It will likely help force generation but its impact on the CAF being able to think and execute Joint operations will likely be minimal.

Likely a good way to imagine it. I hope it becomes an effective resource to FG the JTFSC for deployed ops, and I hope it improves institutional support at home. But time will tell if that is the case.

I don’t get why IAMD forces would fall under this new structure either.

They don’t belong there, but there are people in both institutional Army & Air Force who seem strongly allergic to the idea of “their service” providing the people to the ground-based missile component of IAMD. I think Defence of Canada Division is the ideal home for that.

 

[Kirkhill]

Likely a good way to imagine it. I hope it becomes an effective resource to FG the JTFSC for deployed ops, and I hope it improves institutional support at home. But time will tell if that is the case.


They don’t belong there, but there are people in both institutional Army & Air Force who seem strongly allergic to the idea of “their service” providing the people to the ground-based missile component of IAMD. I think Defence of Canada Division is the ideal home for that.

So, when does a rocket launched UAV become a brilliant missile?