Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Halifax Tar]

Not necessarily - I can see the requirement to FG personnel for bespoke joint organizations that are deployed abroad.

Lets get above the level of a few personnel posted to a ship. Say Task Force Latvia requires a modest medical unit of 30 people. We don't pick up a clinic or a field ambulance in Canada and deploy it; rather CJOC sends the tasks out to fill the positions in the unit via CFTPO. These tasks will now go to CFJC, rather than MPC, to manage and fill.



Here you go:

DAOD 5070-0

DAOD 5071-0

Occupational Authorities design, approve, monitor, and update each MOSIDs OccSpec. Each OccSpec is used to define pay, rank responsibilties, and training and promotion requirements. For the traditional services, it's quite easy - The Canadian Army Commander is the Occupation Authority for Artillery Gunners, and he also happens to own most of stuff required to organize, train, and equip artillery gunners. If we can't deliver indirect fires on operations, the CDS has one cat to kick.

Not so much for the purple trades, where Asst CMP is the default Occ Authority for those trades. So, for say a Comms Researcher, the Occ Authority is Asst CMP but the person is trained by the Digital Services Group and employed by a the Army, Navy, Air Force or by a DSC. Same with the Log trades, the HSS trades, etc, etc. Not clean, and when organization isn't clean, accountabilities aren't clean. "Why is my trade's training all jacked up?" - "...because everyone has their hands on the oar but nobody can or will take responsibility or be held accountable for managing it."

Part of the rationale behind CFJC is to address these issues.

Ok I think I actually get it. It's taking the occupational management of the purple trade out from CMP and making it an L1 of it's own.

 

[Infanteer]

To an extent, yes. There are other reasons as well.

 

[McG]

I expected to see more explicit mention of the Joint Deployable Headquarters (currently still with the name "1st Cdn Div HQ"), Canadian Forces Joint Operational Support Group, Canadian Forces Joint Signal Regiment, and Canadian Materiel Support Group in the announcement of CJFC. I assume the CMSG is under the Chief of Joint Logistics, but have the other entities moved?

And we shall see if CFD, JWC and other related elements get transferred from VCDS Group to CJFC.

CFD should stay where it is, but Director Joint Capability Development should move from CJOC to CJFC.

 

[ytz]

Putting IAMD into the CJFC is a good example of how the CAF doesn’t want to think about or practice joint operations on the force employment side, which bleeds into generation and management.

Disagree. I absolutely think this is a good spot. A big problem we have with IAMD is that the army runs it and it kinda clueless about it. We joke in the air staff about giving those guys "Lunch and Learn" PD. They are well intentioned. But stuff like this can't be a hobby. That function will finally get the support and attention it needs.

 

[McG]

A big problem we have with IAMD is that the army runs it and it kinda clueless about it.

The CA posted pers to work in IAMD, but the office is part of the Air Staff.

 

[Fabius]

Disagree. I absolutely think this is a good spot. A big problem we have with IAMD is that the army runs it and it kinda clueless about it. We joke in the air staff about giving those guys "Lunch and Learn" PD. They are well intentioned. But stuff like this can't be a hobby. That function will finally get the support and attention it needs.

I don’t disagree about the current army. However in addition to the NORAD dedicated IAMD elements (least I believe they are NORAD dedicated?) the Army will have air defence elements that will need to tie into the IADS.
Additionally the Army Bdes and really the new manoeuvre division will need greater understanding of the airspace and how to operate within it.

Allowing the Army to continue to be ignorant of the air domain is not acceptable in my opinion.

What trade is planned for these IAMD forces?

 

[Kirkhill]

I don’t disagree about the current army. However in addition to the NORAD dedicated IAMD elements (least I believe they are NORAD dedicated?) the Army will have air defence elements that will need to tie into the IADS.
Additionally the Army Bdes and really the new manoeuvre division will need greater understanding of the airspace and how to operate within it.

Allowing the Army to continue to be ignorant of the air domain is not acceptable in my opinion.

What trade is planned for these IAMD forces?

Light Blue and Green gets you Teal .... if that helps.

 

[ytz]

Light Blue and Green gets you Teal .... if that helps.

Our first real BMD capability wears white and black.

 

[ytz]

The CA posted pers to work in IAMD, but the office is part of the Air Staff.

Under NORAD Mod. I've come across them a few times.

 

[ytz]

I don’t disagree about the current army. However in addition to the NORAD dedicated IAMD elements (least I believe they are NORAD dedicated?) the Army will have air defence elements that will need to tie into the IADS.
Additionally the Army Bdes and really the new manoeuvre division will need greater understanding of the airspace and how to operate within it.

Allowing the Army to continue to be ignorant of the air domain is not acceptable in my opinion.

What trade is planned for these IAMD forces?

I don't think it's so much that the Army will be ignorant of the subject. I think it's that you need a landing place that has the ability to nurture and grow the capability. And the Army has so much else going on right now.

I also wouldn't rule out since kind of division of responsibility on Air Defence where small stuff like FPV drones are dealt with using organic capabilities at the company or even platoon level. But theatre level BMD assets are held by this JFC.

For now though, these guys will have the headspace to develop the capability without having to worry about the rest of the army stuff at the same time.