Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[GR66]

With the layout of the aviation brigade. Its not a nice to have but a requirement.

It may be a requirement on paper but is it an actual requirement for the CAF? Is there a use case for AH's in the defence of Canada? Is deploying an Aviation Brigade in support of NATO the optimal use of that funding and PY's?

 

[MilEME09]

It may be a requirement on paper but is it an actual requirement for the CAF? Is there a use case for AH's in the defence of Canada? Is deploying an Aviation Brigade in support of NATO the optimal use of that funding and PY's?

The regular wants to be able to deploy and operate as a division. Higher has determined in order to do that, we need dedicated rotary wing support. Including CAS, so that they may provide the maneuver division with CAS. We have to look at the context of a self supporting division with all the enablers.

 

[GR66]

The regular wants to be able to deploy and operate as a brigade. Higher has determined in order to do that, we need dedicated rotary wing support. Including CAS, so that they may provide the maneuver division with CAS. We have to look at the context of a self supporting division with all the enablers.

I understand the reasoning...just not convinced I support it

 

[YZT580]

It may be a requirement on paper but is it an actual requirement for the CAF? Is there a use case for AH's in the defence of Canada? Is deploying an Aviation Brigade in support of NATO the optimal use of that funding and PY's?

if the consideration is TacHel would it be wise to either a) maintain and re-build the C130H for refueling or purchase more J's equipped as tankers.

 

[ytz]

I question if the CAF really needs an Attack Helicopter. I view them as a "nice to have" but there are MANY capabilities that I'd choose to fund before spending any money on AH's.

This is on par with do we need tanks. It's a necessary capability to enable manoeuvre in near-peer. And nTACS has confirmed that in their analysis. It's on the books.

And I am pointing out the danger of going full R&D alone. It will not necessarily result in a better Maritime Helicopter outcome than the Cyclone.

Fair. I don't think people have fully grasped the implications of the DIS. This discussion is happening across the whole HQ last week. Several projects have started preparing branch plans where procurement is sole source to a Canadian prime.

It was kinda funny to see little to no discussion on the DIS, given the activity I saw at work.

 

[Rainbow1910]

I'm going to guess. Second Chinook squadron in Edmonton. Two regular and one SOF MV-75 squadrons (Borden, St-Hubert Per). Three attack helo squadrons (Edmonton, Per, Valcartier) and Conversion of Cyclone to H175. And respective OTUs (Gagetown and Halifax).

Will be interesting to see what happens with the Attack Helo. I'm guessing Apaches were preferred. The DIS probably rules that out. Dunno what Bell will offer. Guessing Airbus will offer the Tiger.

The rumour I've heard is Cyclone is going to be dumped in favour of the SH-60 Seahawk, H-175 doesn't make a lot of sense for its roles except maybe some on land.

The Tiger is old and kind of crappy, I'd expect us to go full modern European with something like the AW249 Fenice if we're going down the path of attack helos at all.

 

[MilEME09]

The rumour I've heard is Cyclone is going to be dumped in favour of the SH-60 Seahawk, H-175 doesn't make a lot of sense for its roles except maybe some on land.

The Tiger is old and kind of crappy, I'd expect us to go full modern European with something like the AW249 Fenice if we're going down the path of attack helos at all.

Ive heard the attack helo debate is AH64E vs AW249, tiger isnt even considered an option.

H175m I hear is a potential option as a medium lift Griffin replacement

 

[OldSolduer]

The regular wants to be able to deploy and operate as a division. Higher has determined in order to do that, we need dedicated rotary wing support. Including CAS, so that they may provide the maneuver division with CAS. We have to look at the context of a self supporting division with all the enablers.

I THINK there is a role for AH in the Canadian Army - even if it is small to start it could expand. First thing is to recruit and train crews for whatever one we MIGHT choose.