Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Czech_pivo]

Another 190 ACSV's?

With what we've given to the Ukkie's over the last 24months, what is the 'net gain' for the CA?

 

[PuckChaser]

Its a hidden figures game. Government never tells anyone whether the donations are from stock or new builds. In practice, its almost always from stock.

We've donated or committed to 89 vehicles so net gain of 101.

 

[MilEME09]

Another 190 ACSV's?

With what we've given to the Ukkie's over the last 24months, what is the 'net gain' for the CA?

we only gave the ukrainians about 30, the rest were purchased, not donated

 

[Czech_pivo]

we only gave the ukrainians about 30, the rest were purchased, not donated

So of the 190 announced today, 35 of them will cover the 35 we gave the Ukkie's last week, so our fleet will grow overall by 155?

 

[PrairieFella]

So of the 190 announced today, 35 of them will cover the 35 we gave the Ukkie's last week, so our fleet will grow overall by 155?

Good to see it grow. Personally I think the delta should have been about 200-250 but its a good add all the same.

Also announced a strategic partnership with GDLSC whatever that means.

 

[MilEME09]

So of the 190 announced today, 35 of them will cover the 35 we gave the Ukkie's last week, so our fleet will grow overall by 155?

something like that but id have to dig and see if we didn't quietly order a few more to cover the donated ones. Ill be interested in what the distribution of these vehicles to units.

 

[PuckChaser]

Good to see it grow. Personally I think the delta should have been about 200-250 but its a good add all the same.

Also announced a strategic partnership with GDLSC whatever that means.

It's political speech nonsense. We could always use more but I will never look a gift horse in the mouth.

If they revive CCV project, GDLS has one of the contracts for XM30 (Bradley replacement). Looks promising as an optionally manned IFV.

 

[MilEME09]

It's political speech nonsense. We could always use more but I will never look a gift horse in the mouth.

If they revive CCV project, GDLS has one of the contracts for XM30 (Bradley replacement). Looks promising as an optionally manned IFV.

MCAV is basically CCV 2.0 to outfit the RCD and 12 RBC. Still waiting for more movement on HDFM since they want a second tank regiment out west, but ill believe that when I see orders for more vehicles, and the stand up of a Regiment.

 

[PrairieFella]

FYI ACV-W was mentioned as part of the strategic partnership in the pressheet - just not mentioned in the speech.

ACV-W might end up being similar to the LAV 6 2.0 that was shown at CANSEC a couple years ago.

 

[FJAG]

I'll agree that the Strategic Partnership is much more important than the new ACSVs. The partnership opens the door to ACV-W and all that entails albeit the scale of things will vary over time. IMHO, this virtually guarantees that the CA will be a wheeled and not tracked force for many years to come.

You know me, I'm a tracks guy and not a fan of the current LAV 6.0 format but one can design new wheeled IFVs/CCVs that can carry a larger number of dismounts while mounting relevant RWS on top for CUAS, anti-armour weapons and APS. And that includes rebuilding our current LAV 6.0 fleet to something more relevant.

I'd be willing to bet money that an MGS on a LAV 10x10 and something with a 120mm mortar like the M1129 Stryker (or perhaps with a NEMO turret if we're more ambitious) is a virtual shoo-in for the IFM and down the road for something like the MSHORAD for divisional GBAD. I can also see these forming the basis of a future MCAV fleet.

It's not a sour grapes thing from my fevered track-focused mind, but the doors have opened for rapid development and procurement of a wide ranging fleet of purpose built SEVs for all MCO-oriented armoured purposes except the HDFM. I'd say that the folks who favour strategic mobility over tactical mobility have won and, in that respect, the army has won.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Its a hidden figures game. Government never tells anyone whether the donations are from stock or new builds. In practice, its almost always from stock.

We've donated or committed to 89 vehicles so net gain of 101.

But the press release says that the CA has 360 and with these announced 190, the CA will have 550 it says.

The 89 + 35 announced last week in Turkey for Ukraine means that GDLS must have been on slow build to replace those items all along.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Noah is reporting its looking like additional ACSVs and the first tranche of the ACV-W program - upgraded LAVs with a 30mm, ATGM/LM and other upgrades over time, potential hybrid drives, upgraded engines, etc.

If an ATGM capability is included it would be interesting to see which one it is.
; Spike or Akeron?

 

[PrairieFella]

If an ATGM capability is included it would be interesting to see which one it is.
; Spike or Akeron?

PAXM is pretty much guaranteed to be Spike by my read.