Canada/US Border Integrity Thread

[Kirkhill]

You realize his wish to buy Greenland, as with Canada and Panama, has already borne fruit. Denmark has entered into discussions about the US using tactical areas of Greenland. That was accomplished with the simple sales tactic of coming in really high and leaving room to negotiate down. The US already has use of Canada’s north for security purposes, nothing wrong with expanding that. Considering Canada is completely incapable of providing that sovereign security ourselves, and likely never will. There is no political will. Not to mention the coziness our government seems to have with Red China up there (and everywhere else). That should be considered a global concern. Before we bring the cannon in Kingston back into serviceable condition, it behooves the smart person to not panic and at least listen to what the other side has to say. I, myself, would like to see a much stronger economic union with an end goal of true free trade. We'll never know if we don't listen and instead put on the blinders while singing Oh Canada.

Like Mr Wonderful says. You need to separate the noise from the signal.

Like Denmark/Greenland did.

Further to your last -

Greenland is happy for the attention.

Trump interest in Greenland is ‘wake-up call to Copenhagen’, says minister

Greenlandic minister says Denmark has failed to act over demands for action on minerals and alleged state abuses

www.theguardian.com

Trump interest in Greenland is ‘wake-up call to Copenhagen’, says minister​

Greenlandic minister says Denmark has failed to act over demands for action on minerals and alleged state abuses

Miranda Bryant Nordic correspondent
Tue 14 Jan 2025 15.05 GMT
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A Greenlandic government minister has said she views Donald Trump’s interest in the territory as positive, saying it has acted as a “wake-up call to Copenhagen” after years of failing to adequately respond to its demands for action on minerals and alleged abuses by the Danish state.

Naaja Nathanielsen, Greenland’s minister for housing, infrastructure, minerals, justice and gender equality, said the government had been trying to drum up interest in collaboration with both the EU and the US for “many years”, but it was only now that it was getting the attention it had been seeking.

Her comments came after the prime minister, Múte Egede, on Monday said Greenland had started a dialogue with the US and was seeking to cooperate with the Trump administration. He said his country was open to closer ties with the US and had its “doors open in terms of mining”.

Egede did not, however, say he would be open to a US takeover of the autonomous territory after the US president-elect raised alarm bells last week when he refused to rule out military intervention to gain control of Greenland.

Nathanielsen told the Guardian: “We have been trying to get more involvement from both the EU and the United States for many years now, so I think this is to some extent, I would say with some hesitance, the kind of attention we have been seeking.”

Usually, she said, the Danish media showed little interest in speaking to her about either minerals or the forced contraceptive scandal, in which at least 4,500 girls and women are believed to have been forcibly fitted with the contraceptive coil without their consent or knowledge at the hands of Danish doctors between 1966 and 1970 alone in an attempt to reduce the population of the former Danish colony.

But having spent the last week in Denmark for meetings that were planned before Trump’s renewed interest in Greenland became a point of global interest and alarm in some quarters, Nathanielsen said she was suddenly inundated with interest.

“In my everyday life as a minister for natural resources in Greenland I get a lot of attention from foreign press … I hardly ever speak to Danish press,” she said.

“The IUD scandal is another example. I get a lot of attention from outside media but from the Danish perspective they’re just not that interested. So I think this has been a wake-up call to Copenhagen.”

She added that it was also true of Danish interest in the parenting test scandal which has resulted in the separation of Greenlandic parents from children.

Amid growing calls for independence from Denmark, Greenland will leverage US interest to demand justice from Denmark, she said.

“I expect that from our side we will use this renewed interest in our relationship [with Denmark] to underscore the importance that they do not stop here. They have to look at the IUD scandal, they have to look at the adoptions and they have to claim responsibility and make sure these cases are settled and to make sure that we can give peace to the people who have been involved. I will definitely continue the pressure.”

Greenland and the US are already collaborating on minerals as a result of a 2019 agreement made during the first Trump administration, but that agreement is coming to an end. Nathanielsen said Greenland was hoping for a new agreement.

So far, the US and Greenland’s collaboration on minerals has included mapping, analysis, field work and direct marketing, she said. Now she hopes it will lead to financing to help get projects under way.

So Greenland had its own parallel version of the Sixties Scoop and similar Inuit-friendly policies.

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What is it that Trump is really looking for?

 

[brihard]

Were under no obligation to take them. If you don't let them in, in the first place, it's not our problem.

I'm going to guess, that if they're illegal there, it makes it easier for the US to deport them. They won't have to look for them. Homan can pick them up from USBS and send them straight to deportee camp.

Hopefully Trump defers to what makes sense and is legal and reasonable in that case then.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Hopefully Trump defers to what makes sense and is legal and reasonable in that case then.

Why guess, wait and hope?

Why not sit across the table from him and ask him what he wants and what is in it for us?

4 days from now, he'll be too busy to worry about us for awhile. We should use that time to put a Conservative team together with the end state of being ready to talk with him the minute we can get some face time and the trudeau liberals are in the rear view mirror. He hates every one of trudeau's staff and will keep twisting their tits til they're gone. And Canadians will continue to run around like their hair is on fire because they don’t understand 'The Art of the Deal'.

 

[CBH99]

RCMP leases Black Hawk helicopters as part of plan to patrol Canada-US border

The Black Hawks will join nine existing helicopters in the RCMP fleet, plus 60 new drones that will patrol Canada's border with the United States.

verticalmag.com

It's crazy how fast the government was able to procure 2 black hawks (even if leased) when there is a fire under their butt.

Managing to negotiate the lease & have those helicopters in RCMP opeeation by as early as this Friday (so since it's 1:25am here, technically tomorrow) is crazy fast

2 helicopters, however, is a symbolic gesture.
Best case scenario that puts one bird in the air at a time, and if given some advance warning we could put both helos in the air simultaneously for a 'surge' period

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It's funny how when the government prioritizes something how quickly it can be done.

Freezing people's bank accounts? No problem, they'll take the initiative on that.

Quietly creating a Canadian digital ID? No problem there either...

New fleet of helicopters for the Coast Guard? No problem at all. Just quietly signs the contract without a bunch of press releases & nonsense...


...BUT...can we, the CAF, replace a single Chinook or Cyclone aircraft without it being some insurmountable deal? Oh no, that's apparently waaaaayyyyyy too big of an ask!

(Which is ridiculous considering the military's whole reason for existing is to provide that federal government with capabilities and options to execute what they want done)

 

[brihard]

Why guess, wait and hope?

Why not sit across the table from him and ask him what he wants and what is in it for us?

4 days from now, he'll be too busy to worry about us for awhile. We should use that time to put a Conservative team together with the end state of being ready to talk with him the minute we can get some face time and the trudeau liberals are in the rear view mirror. He hates every one of trudeau's staff and will keep twisting their tits til they're gone. And Canadians will continue to run around like their hair is on fire because they don’t understand 'The Art of the Deal'.

You have a blind faith in him that he’s never earned from me.

Were under no obligation to take them. If you don't let them in, in the first place, it's not our problem.

I'm going to guess, that if they're illegal there, it makes it easier for the US to deport them. They won't have to look for them. Homan can pick them up from USBS and send them straight to deportee camp.

A possibility at the border: it’s absolutely within the realm of imaginable outcomes that he gives direction that anyone without valid U.S. residency who exits the United States for Canada cannot be turned back around and sent back to the U.S. by Canada. I.e., if his taking office does in fact kick off a huge wave of asylum seekers illegally entering Canada, notwithstanding Safe Third Country, Canada can arrest them but is not permitted to turn them around and hand them back over to CBP as you describe. He could potentially drive tens or even hundreds of thousands of people out of the U.S. into Canada to be entirely our problem. We don’t have to take them, but we can’t give them back. Hell, why wouldn’t he order this?

 

[Jarnhamar]

Hell, why wouldn’t he order this?

He might be paying Trudeau back for some of his flippiant comments.

We don’t have to take them, but we can’t give them back.

A wave of asylum seekers would smash our economy. Once they get through the border and hide out for 2 weeks they can claim asylum then we're stuck with housing and feeding them. I can't see good.old Canada turning back anyone at the border anyways.

 

[Haggis]

You should want more guns, for if we go north you are going to need a lot more than you got

The CBSA has only been armed since 2008. Land borders are fully armed with handguns (with the odd officers who are not). Do they want more guns? Yup.

CBSA is responsible for export checks of commodities and people leaving Canada by a legal route through a port of exit. Obviously, if you're smuggling, you won't be subject to an "export check" unless an RCMP, OPP or SQ patrol happens to stumble across you. Barring that, you and your goods are now a USCBP problem to intercept.

 

[lenaitch]

Why won't it matter to Trump? He's the one that asked for it to be done. He wants to see less illegal immigration, drugs and terrorists coming from Canada. He made it part of the tariff discussions.

Now, will it be enough? That is the question. I'm sure Trump will let us know. But to insinuate it doesn't matter to him is ridiculous.

Not that facts really keep him up at night but there's not much evidence that any of those three are entering the US from Canada in any kind of volume, unless perhaps you include BC bud.

Then again this is a guy who thinks tariffs will be paid by the supplier and not the consumer so he needs a new department.

I wonder if the tariffs will apply to the water that apparently flows from Canada to Los Angeles.

 

[dimsum]

Not that facts really keep him up at night but there's not much evidence that any of those three are entering the US from Canada in any kind of volume, unless perhaps you include BC bud.

Then again this is a guy who thinks tariffs will be paid by the supplier and not the consumer so he needs a new department.

I wonder if the tariffs will apply to the water that apparently flows from Canada to Los Angeles.

“I give you best price, my American friend”

 

[KevinB]

The CBSA has only been armed since 2008. Land borders are fully armed with handguns (with the odd officers who are not). Do they want more guns? Yup.

CBSA is responsible for export checks of commodities and people leaving Canada by a legal route through a port of exit. Obviously, if you're smuggling, you won't be subject to an "export check" unless an RCMP, OPP or SQ patrol happens to stumble across you. Barring that, you and your goods are now a USCBP problem to intercept.

It was more tongue in cheek to suggest you would need a lot more firepower (across Canada not just LE/Mil) if Trumpism decided to roll north.

 

[Haggis]

It was more tongue in cheek to suggest you would need a lot more firepower (across Canada not just LE/Mil) if Trumpism decided to roll north.

There's at least one more gun ban and new magazine restrictions coming in the next few weeks according to some knowledgeable friends of mine in the firearms industry up here. The only thing to slow down the northern bound Trumpites might be a lack of snow tires.

 

[KevinB]

There's at least one more gun ban and new magazine restrictions coming in the next few weeks according to some knowledgeable friends of mine in the firearms industry up here. The only thing to slow down the northern bound Trumpites might be a lack of snow tires.

Most real vehicles have All Terrain tires - honestly the ones on my Suburban are fine for snow/ice, and while I wince every time I need to replace them, I keep telling myself that at least it is only one set of tires.

WRT the gun ban, I was pretty sure you guys where down to a rubber band, and a paperclip for allowable civilian firearms these days.
Pretty sad state of affairs from when one could go out and buy an AR-15 a the hardware store in Petawawa, and setup a range off a secondary road's gravel pit and blast away with 30rd magazines.

 

[Brad Sallows]

A possibility at the border: it’s absolutely within the realm of imaginable outcomes that he gives direction that anyone without valid U.S. residency who exits the United States for Canada cannot be turned back around and sent back to the U.S. by Canada. I.e., if his taking office does in fact kick off a huge wave of asylum seekers illegally entering Canada, notwithstanding Safe Third Country, Canada can arrest them but is not permitted to turn them around and hand them back over to CBP as you describe. He could potentially drive tens or even hundreds of thousands of people out of the U.S. into Canada to be entirely our problem. We don’t have to take them, but we can’t give them back. Hell, why wouldn’t he order this?

In which we learn that US concerns on its other borders might eventually concern us on ours. This lesson was already in evidence in Europe, which is only as secure as its weakest member country.