Canada/US Border Integrity Thread

[brihard]

I figured a catch-all thread for specific border stuff is in order since it keeps peppering other discussions.

Some major money and effort being thrown at the border to be seen to do things. Canada is leasing and will deploy Black Hawks as soon as this week. Unfortunately for RCAF, the birds will be for the RCMP.

Drones are also in play and being deployed.

Black Hawk helicopters, drones are part of Canada’s new border security plan - National | Globalnews.ca

There's been an 89 per cent drop in illegal border crossings from Canada into the United States since June 2024, the immigration minister says.

globalnews.ca

The Quebec government is prepared to deploy 300 police to the border to help fend off a wave of expected asylum seekers following Trump’s inauguration.

Quebec ready to deploy 300 officers at border if illegal crossings into U.S. rise | Globalnews.ca

The Quebec government says it is worried about migrants crossing illegally into the U.S. from Canada, and is calling on the RCMP to deploy the necessary resources at the border.

globalnews.ca

 

[Remius]

None of which will matter as far as Trump is concerned but good to see us increase capability that was likely needed

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I think it will take a hard approach when implemented.

Anyone coming to our border seeking asylum, should be turned right back, especially if coming to unapproved spots like Roxham Rd. They are coming from a safe country and need to apply for asylum from outside Canada. Under no circumstance should they be allowed to set foot inside Canada to use our social programs or disappear into the interior. We should not be responsible for them one iota.

I don't know how, but it should be coordinated with US Border Services so they can take them into custody while the US determines their immigration status there.

We need to sort out the safe third country agreement.

I don't know if there's legal issues with this approach, but that is my solution.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

None of which will matter as far as Trump is concerned but good to see us increase capability that was likely needed

Why won't it matter to Trump? He's the one that asked for it to be done. He wants to see less illegal immigration, drugs and terrorists coming from Canada. He made it part of the tariff discussions.

Now, will it be enough? That is the question. I'm sure Trump will let us know. But to insinuate it doesn't matter to him is ridiculous.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I figured a catch-all thread for specific border stuff is in order since it keeps peppering other discussions.

Some major money and effort being thrown at the border to be seen to do things. Canada is leasing and will deploy Black Hawks as soon as this week. Unfortunately for RCAF, the birds will be for the RCMP.

Drones are also in play and being deployed.

Black Hawk helicopters, drones are part of Canada’s new border security plan - National | Globalnews.ca

There's been an 89 per cent drop in illegal border crossings from Canada into the United States since June 2024, the immigration minister says.

globalnews.ca

The Quebec government is prepared to deploy 300 police to the border to help fend off a wave of expected asylum seekers following Trump’s inauguration.

Quebec ready to deploy 300 officers at border if illegal crossings into U.S. rise | Globalnews.ca

The Quebec government says it is worried about migrants crossing illegally into the U.S. from Canada, and is calling on the RCMP to deploy the necessary resources at the border.

globalnews.ca

Hey RCAF, how do you like them Blackhawks ? lol ouch loll

 

[Remius]

Why won't it matter to Trump? He's the one that asked for it to be done. He wants to see less illegal immigration, drugs and terrorists coming from Canada. He made it part of the tariff discussions.

Now, will it be enough? That is the question. I'm sure Trump will let us know. But to insinuate it doesn't matter to him is ridiculous.

It’s been communicated by his team and others that Tarrifs are coming one way or another. Even if we reached 2% nato spending. He’s doing tarrifs. We could build wall. Yes doing tarrifs. So we need to hit back.

There is another end game and I think this isn’t about the border or our defence spending.

 

[Jarnhamar]

CBSA should send Trump a thank you card. Funny how fast stuff can get done when the right person wants it.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

There is another end game and I think this isn’t about the border or our defence spending.

Really? Like what? What is the hidden agenda?

 

[brihard]

Really? Like what? What is the hidden agenda?

Hegemony. But it’s not that hidden.

 

[Remius]

Really? Like what? What is the hidden agenda?

I don’t think it’s hidden either.

Panama, Greenland and Canada. I’ve hinted at this before. All those areas have a common denominator and I think Trump wants those three road blocks out of the way to get to it. And wants the US to have total control over it.

 

[QV]

Canada’s #1 COA for everything is hope.

Hope the US protects us… hope the US economy is nice to us… hope. If Canada does something meaningful to secure itself (Brad alluded to interprovincial trade barriers) then you might have a more united and strong country. But right now all we have is “sure hope the world aren’t assholes to us.”

 

[Remius]

Canada’s #1 COA for everything is hope.

Hope the US protects us… hope the US economy is nice to us… hope. If Canada does something meaningful to secure itself (Brad alluded to interprovincial trade barriers) then you might have a more united and strong country. But right now all we have is “sure hope the world aren’t assholes to us.”

No one that matters is using hope as a COA.

The US is now a threat. It wasn’t before it is now.

We should act accordingly . Increasing border strength is a good move. Keeping guns and the increasing asylum seekers from the US out is a positive.

 

[KevinB]

No one that matters is using hope as a COA.

The US is now a threat. It wasn’t before it is now.

We should act accordingly . Increasing border strength is a good move. Keeping guns and the increasing asylum seekers from the US out is a positive.

You should want more guns, for if we go north you are going to need a lot more than you got

Hey RCAF, how do you like them Blackhawks ? lol ouch loll

That is a major kick in the nuts for the CAF, sorry the RCMP are worthy of a Military helicopter, but you get a spray painted commercial one.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That is a major kick in the nuts for the CAF, sorry the RCMP are worthy of a Military helicopter, but you get a spray painted commercial one.

Unserious countries do unserious things.

 

[Halifax Tar]

You should want more guns, for if we go north you are going to need a lot more than you got

I don't think you'll get as much resistance and people think will happen.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I don’t think it’s hidden either.

Panama, Greenland and Canada. I’ve hinted at this before. All those areas have a common denominator and I think Trump wants those three road blocks out of the way to get to it. And wants the US to have total control over it.

You realize his wish to buy Greenland, as with Canada and Panama, has already borne fruit. Denmark has entered into discussions about the US using tactical areas of Greenland. That was accomplished with the simple sales tactic of coming in really high and leaving room to negotiate down. The US already has use of Canada’s north for security purposes, nothing wrong with expanding that. Considering Canada is completely incapable of providing that sovereign security ourselves, and likely never will. There is no political will. Not to mention the coziness our government seems to have with Red China up there (and everywhere else). That should be considered a global concern. Before we bring the cannon in Kingston back into serviceable condition, it behooves the smart person to not panic and at least listen to what the other side has to say. I, myself, would like to see a much stronger economic union with an end goal of true free trade. We'll never know if we don't listen and instead put on the blinders while singing Oh Canada.

Like Mr Wonderful says. You need to separate the noise from the signal.

Like Denmark/Greenland did.