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Maybe set up a small refugee city based on these

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A New Ingeniously Designed Shelter For Refugees--Made By Ikea
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For the money and humanitarian effort something like that would be far more effective for all the reasons ER mentioned, than bringing over a few hundred people who just want to go home.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
It would cost many tens of millions of dollars (but that will still be less than the cost of settling a few thousand Syrian refugees in Canada) but we could design and build and then maintain a "model" refugee camp in Jordan - a mini city for a few thousand people (say 1,000 families and 1,00 single people) with shelter, water, food distribution, health care, police, fire and administration ~ all managed and done, in the main, by Syrians refugees (so add jobs to the list) under Jordanian supervision. We have companies in Canada, like ATCO, who can move quickly and efficiently into a crisis and establish infrastructure, we have people, mostly from the voluntary sector who can, also, move quickly and efficiently into a crisi and, even more importantly, move out as soon as locals are prepared to take over. We have the money, too.

While I agree with you that bringing these refugees to Canada is not such a good idea- since you stated in another thread about the differences between immigrants who want to come here and refugees who don't-  I disagree that one can actually make a "model refugee camp". No matter how clean, well-supplied or organized such a settlement will be, the very term "refugee camp" implies deprivation and dependence on the host country or the sponsors of the camp. It would be bad for optics; refugee status visas are better optics for our politicians.

Yes there are many people in the development/crisis response/NGO sector/IGO sector (e.g. Red Crescent/Red Cross, World Vision, etc.)  that do take care of refugees, but funding such organizations is just a temporary solution. Eventually either the situation in Syria must change or Jordan (or whatever host country they're stuck in, such as Iraq or Turkey) must take them in on a longer/more permanent basis.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
.... So, maybe, we can do something useful to, about and even for the Syrians and  for the Jordanians, too, by helping the Jordanians with the refugee problem.

It would cost many tens of millions of dollars (but that will still be less than the cost of settling a few thousand Syrian refugees in Canada) but we could design and build and then maintain a "model" refugee camp in Jordan - a mini city for a few thousand people (say 1,000 families and 1,00 single people) with shelter, water, food distribution, health care, police, fire and administration ~ all managed and done, in the main, by Syrians refugees (so add jobs to the list) under Jordanian supervision. We have companies in Canada, like ATCO, who can move quickly and efficiently into a crisis and establish infrastructure, we have people, mostly from the voluntary sector who can, also, move quickly and efficiently into a crisi and, even more importantly, move out as soon as locals are prepared to take over. We have the money, too.

Something like this might even provide the politically critical series of "good news" photo ops for years to come.
Agree this would be useful.  This could help out where it's needed while keeping out of the shooting bits - most of the "atta boy's" with little potential for "holy @#$%^&'s".

Since this would be a bit medium- to longer-term solution, any place for DART in the equation?  While this qualifies as a "disaster", my sense is that DART is more set up for short-term deployments.
 
milnews.ca said:
Agree this would be useful.  This could help out where it's needed while keeping out of the shooting bits - most of the "atta boy's" with little potential for "holy @#$%^&'s".

Since this would be a bit medium- to longer-term solution, any place for DART in the equation?  While this qualifies as a "disaster", my sense is that DART is more set up for short-term deployments.


Yes, sending the DART to Jordan, assuming the Jordanians would accept it (agree to ask for it, actually), could be a neat idea, as a start point.

S.M.A. I agree that "the situation in Syria must change" but I must be consistent and repeat that ONLY the Syrians can change Syria and they will (I hope) do so in their own good time. Until then refugee camps, ugly as they are, are a fact of life and what I am proposing, essentially, is a way to help the Jordanians to "take them in on a longer/more permanent basis." But I want a Canadian flag for the photo ops and I want any "attaboys" that might float about.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
I want any "attaboys" that might float about.

I hope you don't just mean signs like this...  ;D

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ERC:
but we could design and build and then maintain a "model" refugee camp in Jordan 474,042 people on Indian Reserves all across Canada- a mini city for a few thousand people (say 1,000 families and 1,00 single people) with shelter, water, food distribution, health care, police, fire and administration ~ all managed and done, in the main, by Syrians refugees Indians (so add jobs to the list) under Jordanian Army Engineers?? supervision. We have companies in Canada, like ATCO, who can move quickly and efficiently into a crisis and establish infrastructure, we have people, mostly from the voluntary sector who can, also, move quickly and efficiently into a crisi and, even more importantly, move out as soon as locals are prepared to take over. We have the money, too (Billions) *.

* Budget 2013 Highlights – Aboriginal and Northern Investments
http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1363964630328/1363964850834

S.M.A.:
No matter how clean, well-supplied or organized such a settlement will be, the very term "refugee camp" Indian Reserve implies deprivation and dependence on the host country or the sponsors of the camp. It would be bad for optics; refugee status visas assimilation isare better optics for our politicians.

Ghetto comes to mind. Who wants to live in a ghetto? The Chiefs don't.
 
I'm putting this here because I think it also has implications for Canadian foreign policy, Conservative or not.

This report is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Royal United Services Institute's web site:

http://www.rusi.org/analysis/commentary/ref:C52210D1AC29AE/#.UiEcATasiVZ
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Parliament's Decision on Syria: Pulling Our Punches
The UK Parliament's decision not to intervene militarily in Syria marked an important watershed in UK defence and security policy. The consequences will be examined with interest by allies and potential adversaries alike.

RUSI Analysis

30 Aug 2013

By Professor Malcolm Chalmers, Research Director / Director, UK Defence Policy Studies

Last night's defeat of the Government in the House of Commons was an assertion of Parliamentary sovereignty, on issues of war and peace, without modern precedent. It is now hard to see how any UK Government could undertake significant military action without the support of Parliament, or indeed of the wider public. And it is difficult to see such support being given unless there is a clear national interest involved, or if military operations are undertaken with the imprimatur of a UN Security Council (UNSC) mandate - at least until the shadows of Iraq and Afghanistan have faded much further from the national consciousness.

Some commentators have focused on the tactical errors and special circumstances that contributed to the defeat. Calling for a vote while the UN inspectors were still in Damascus was always going to be a very hard sell when the case for action rested heavily on an assessment of what happened on the ground. Government whips had limited opportunities to convince backbench sceptics, who had only just returned from their constituencies for this vote. The Prime Minister took Labour's support largely for granted, a surprising omission given the important role that Ed Miliband's opposition to the Iraq war had played in his surprise leadership victory in 2010.

The Shadow of Iraq and Afghanistan

Yet something more significant has happened. This was not a vote simply against the premature timing of the debate, or for greater consideration of evidence on whether chemical weapons were actually used (on which there can have been little doubt amongst MPs). Rather it reflects the reality - one that Cameron accepted as soon as the result was announced - that opposition to military action would have remained strong and widespread, whatever new evidence the UN inspectors eventually publish. For the experiences of Iraq and Afghanistan have left most MPs - and, even more so, a large majority of their voters - deeply sceptical of claims that military action can remain limited once the first shot is fired. The voices of those who speak of the consequences of inaction have, for now, been marginalised.

Many in the armed forces will welcome this decision. Over the last decade, their main operational focus has been to conduct operations - in Iraq and, after 2006, in Afghanistan - for which a strong basis of public support has been conspicuously lacking. This has never been a comfortable position for the armed forces of a democratic country to be in, and many will therefore be relieved by Thursday's vote.

No More Intervention?

The tide of interventionism had already ebbed substantially since its high-water mark, as evident by the Government's approach to Afghanistan and its evident reluctance to consider further 'boots on the ground' operations. But this decision marks a further step in that process. No UK government, for the foreseeable future, will be able to contemplate military action without first thinking about whether it is able to gain parliamentary approval.

Some of the military operations of the last two decades would probably still have gained approval from today's House of Commons. The liberation of Kuwait from Iraq in 1991, under a clear UNSC mandate, would likely have been overwhelmingly approved - as would the support that the UK gave to the US in the overthrow of the Taliban after 9/11.

But most other interventions of the last quarter-century would have found it hard to get past the sceptical gaze of the UK public as it is today, or of the House of Commons. With the benefit of hindsight, there is little doubt that they would have opposed the invasion of Iraq in 2003. But they would also have been sceptical of 'wars of choice' where the UK Government wanted to get out in front of the Americans - the UK's costly 'surge' in Afghanistan from 2006, certainly, but also the UK's support for the use of its own ground forces in Kosovo in 1999 (to the great irritation of Bill Clinton), and the UK / French led drive for military action against Gaddafi in 2011.

How much impact a further ebbing of appetite for intervention will have on the UK's relationship with the US remains an open question. For some in the US foreign policy establishment, this vote will be seen as further evidence of 'anti-Americanism' and wider European 'demilitarisation', as Richard Haass has commented in today's Financial Times.[1]  Yet they must surely be aware that the trends in UK opinion parallel similar developments in the US. President Obama still seems set on conducting limited strikes against Syria over the next few days. But he has shown little appetite for further military action, unless Assad chooses to escalate further or use chemical weapons on a large scale again. The most likely scenario still remains that the war will grind on, with horrific human consequences, and the West will not intervene again.

If the US finds itself involved in further significant military action in the Middle East (for example against Iran), it is now less likely that the UK will feel able to join it. But this vote will also add to the voices of those within the US, including President Obama himself, who are themselves weary of repeated military involvements in the Middle East.

The risks from this UK vote therefore lie, not so much in relation to the special relationship - which remains important and useful to both parties - as in what it says about wider trends in UK and Western willingness to use military force in future. The UK Parliament and public are no longer prepared to give their Government the benefit of the doubt on military operations, and the Government will be constrained in what it can do in future as a result. The consequences for UK defence and foreign policy will be examined with interest by allies and potential adversaries alike.

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[1] Richard Haass, 'Britain drifts towards isolation', Financial Times, 30 August 2013.


Traditionally and constitutionally the prerogative to deploy the military rests with the executive ~ the Queen in Council, effectively the cabinet. Parliament's authority rests on its absolute control of taxes and spending. The Queen (Prime Ministers Harper or Cameron, in reality) can send her forces wherever she wants but unless parliament votes "supply" (the money) she can't keep them there - not if she wants to pay them their wages and pay for their bullets and beans. It's a neat system that has worked pretty well for 500ish years.

But: the people, literally the public, don't like that system ~ they want a "say" in these thing. And I think that desire for control or, at least, for some form of consultation applies equally in Canada, Britain and America, where there are already calls for President Obama to go to Congress before he bombs Damascus. In reality, the closest a government leader can come to "consulting" the people is to do what Prime Minister Cameron did and allow parliament to have a free vote on the issue, constitutional convention be damned.
 
The problem I see with establishing refugee camps in Jordan, which already has many refugee camps, is that we are putting the load on the Jordanians.

If refuges are to be created they should be on uncontested "waste" land or cut out of the hide of the aggressor's claims.  But that would require forceful action and boots on the ground.

 
>Quebec, the Indians the environmentalists (many US funded, but that's another story) are not in favour of Keystone or the East - West. As a matter of fact they are pretty well against everything.

Only the environmentalists.  With the first two, it's only a question of money and opportunity (jobs and other long-term benefits).
 
Rifleman62 said:
Ghetto comes to mind. Who wants to live in a ghetto? The Chiefs don't.

In some communities they don't care as they are living in huge mansions and amazing houses with lots of snowmobiles and ATV's, SUV's while their people sit in squalor.  Mainly because they are stealing their own people blind.  :(
 
The Kremlin signalling to 24 Sussex Drive not to have any untoward ideas about intervening into Syria?

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Russian ambassador warns Canada that Syrian conflict is Iraq redux

The chance of U.S.-led military intervention in Syria continued its drive toward inevitability as the international community receives confirmation that a chemical attack occurred earlier this month.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and U.S. President Barack Obama spoke on Tuesday and agreed that a “firm response” was needed, further strengthening the likelihood of an attack on Syrian President Bashar Assad’s military.

While it is still not clear what role, if any, Canada would play in such an intervention, Russia's ambassador to the country is warning us to steer clear of the whole conflict.

Georgiy Mamedov compared the expected Syrian conflict to the 2003 intervention in Iraq, when U.S.-led forces invaded the country on later-refuted claims that it possessed weapons of mass destruction.


“I have a sense of déja vu. Ten years ago when I arrived in Canada, [the] first question to me was why we don’t support Western intervention in Iraq and I said it’s a tragic mistake, it’s a tragic mistake because it will only help extremists, terrorists," Mamedov said at an appearance in Ottawa on Tuesday, according to the Globe and Mail.

He went on to suggest that terrorists within the country could have launched a "primitive" chemical attack with the knowledge that it could prompt Western powers to attack Assad's forces.

Russia is opposed to the idea of military intervention in Syria, and its position on the UN Security Council means its refusal would negate the chance of a UN-led military response. That lack of mandate from the UN is another similarity a Syria response would have with the 2003 Iraq inv
asion.

Add to that the uncertainty surrounding a smoking gun – weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and the origin of the chemical attacks in Syria – and there are enough parallels to at least compare the two.

UN chemical weapons experts have confirmed that a Damascus suburb was struck by a gas attack on Aug. 21, although there is still no UN confirmation on who launched the attack.

Assad has denied using chemical weapons, although most Western authorities have dismissed that claim. Vice President Joe Biden has expressed certainty that the government was behind the attack.

Christian Leuprecht, associate professor of political science at the Royal Military College of Canada and Queen’s University, says there is reason for caution, considering the events surrounding the chemical attack are still unclear.

"We don't know what happened on the ground here," Leuprecht told Yahoo! Canada News.

"We don't know whether this was a rogue unit within the republican guard, for instance ... and that some commanding officer on the ground unilaterally made the decision without going up to Assad to ask for permission.

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The idea that Syria can be compared to Iraq has its opponents, however. Both Al Jazeera and the Jerusalem Post have warned against such comparisons, with much of the argument coming down to the certainty of the threat.

"[T]he international community was not in agreement that (Iraq leader Saddam) Hussein was pursuing WMD capability,” Michael Wilner writes in the Jerusalem Post.

“In the case of Syria, however, no country – not even Assad’s allies – question that the regime has stockpiled massive amounts of chemical weapons."


Indeed, there is little doubt Assad possesses chemical weapons, but definitive confirmation they were intentionally used is still absent. That could be a matter of time, or a matter of semantics considering the U.S. appears confident.

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This may certainly be the case.

However, the Cold War never really ended.

On face value, nobody can believe what the Russians say.

Because they never really, ever, say anything, unless it's 100% in their own interest.

In which case, if they believe it will further their own objectives, they will lie.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
I'm putting this here because I think it also has implications for Canadian foreign policy, Conservative or not.

This report is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Royal United Services Institute's web site:

http://www.rusi.org/analysis/commentary/ref:C52210D1AC29AE/#.UiEcATasiVZ

Traditionally and constitutionally the prerogative to deploy the military rests with the executive ~ the Queen in Council, effectively the cabinet. Parliament's authority rests on its absolute control of taxes and spending. The Queen (Prime Ministers Harper or Cameron, in reality) can send her forces wherever she wants but unless parliament votes "supply" (the money) she can't keep them there - not if she wants to pay them their wages and pay for their bullets and beans. It's a neat system that has worked pretty well for 500ish years.

But: the people, literally the public, don't like that system ~ they want a "say" in these thing. And I think that desire for control or, at least, for some form of consultation applies equally in Canada, Britain and America, where there are already calls for President Obama to go to Congress before he bombs Damascus. In reality, the closest a government leader can come to "consulting" the people is to do what Prime Minister Cameron did and allow parliament to have a free vote on the issue, constitutional convention be damned.


More on this topic in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-politics-insider/syrian-crisis-is-a-teachable-moment-for-western-leaders-on-limits-of-authority/article14103076/#dashboard/follows/
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Syrian crisis is a teachable moment for Western leaders on limits of authority

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John Ibbitson
OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail

Published Wednesday, Sep. 04 2013

The horrors of chemical warfare in Syria, and the vacillation by Western leaders in response, offer important lessons in how and when parliaments may check the authority of a president or prime minister to wage war in all but name.

Barack Obama in Washington; David Cameron in London; François Hollande in Paris; Stephen Harper in Ottawa. All have discovered the extent to which they are constrained, by constitutional convention or political reality, from projecting force without seeking the assent of the people’s representatives. Of the four, only Mr. Harper appears to have emerged from the experience unscathed.

Mr. Obama surprised his own aides when he announced over the Labour Day weekend that he would seek congressional support for military action against the Assad regime over its alleged use of chemical weapons.

By convention, Mr. Obama could have ordered the attack on his own authority. But even though the action would consist only of missile strikes, a war-weary public appears to want none of it. Mr. Obama’s decision to consult Congress is most likely an attempt to provide himself some political cover for the attack (and possibly to expose internal divisions within the Republican Party in Congress).

Nonetheless, the distinguished Canadian political scientist Richard Simeon applauded the decision.

“When you’re in a dicey area like this, it’s always best to consult the people or consult the parliament,” he said in an interview. “We already concentrate far too much power in the executive, and the power to make war is a pretty horrendous power.”

The U.S. Constitution states that only Congress may declare that a state of war exists between the United States and another country. But that hasn’t happened since 1941, when the United States went to war against the Axis powers.

Congress has, however, approved resolutions authorizing the use of force, such as the 2003 war in Iraq, or approved an action authorized by the United Nations Security Council, such as the Korean War in 1950 or the Gulf War in 1990.

And sometimes, as in 1983, when president Ronald Reagan ordered the invasion of Grenada, a president has acted on his own authority.

One check on that authority is whether the action is large enough, or lasts long enough, to require congressional authorization for funding.

“While the executive may have the authority to involve the United States in some kinds of conflict, the fact is that Congress, and in particular the House of Representatives, has control of the purse,” observes the constitutional scholar David Smith of Ryerson University.

Britain and Canada are governed by the largely unwritten Westminster constitutional system, which vests the authority to wage war in the Crown – effectively the prime minister. But after the debacle in Iraq, British Prime Minister David Cameron felt compelled to seek the approval of Parliament before joining the United States in attacking Syria, only to be rudely rebuffed by the House of Commons.

The French constitution gives François Hollande the authority to attack Syria without seeking the approval of the National Assembly, but the French President acknowledged on the weekend that France will not – actually, cannot – launch an attack unless the Americans take the lead.

In Canada, prime ministers sometimes do and sometimes don’t consult Parliament before deploying military force. In 2006, Stephen Harper sought the consent of the House before committing Canadian forces in Afghanistan, and did the same before the Libyan mission.

“It is fair to say there is a precedent for, and growing expectation of, parliamentary debate and consultation before Canadian participation in significant international military campaigns,” said Lorne Sossin, dean of law at York University’s Osgoode Hall Law School, though he added that the precedents are too recent and too few to constitute a proper constitutional convention.

But Mr. Harper did not seek parliamentary approval before offering logistical support to French forces in Mali. Nor did he feel the need to consult Parliament before offering only diplomatic support for an attack on Syria. So the precedent appears to be limited to actions that involve actual combat.

Add it all up and you get an American president forced to go to Congress for political cover before he strikes Syria; a British prime minister who sought parliamentary approval to join that strike, but was turned down; a French president who does not need or plan to seek parliamentary approval for a strike, but who lacks the military strength to launch one unless the Americans go in first, and a Canadian prime minister who is, no doubt, quite happy that he decided to sit this one out.

It makes for a fascinating political seminar on the evolving limits of executive authority – or it would, were the events that prompted these debates not so grim.

John Ibbitson is the chief political writer in the Ottawa bureau.


I think Prime Minister Harper is very serious about his Constitutional prerogatives and limitations. Prof Sossin is correct: there is not, yet, any Constitutional convention in Canada regarding limits to the crown's (cabinet's) authority to deploy forces. Parliament, of course, has absolute authority over the crown's ability to sustain or maintain forces - in war or not.

I also think that the decisions to consult parliaments in Britain and Canada have been wholly partisan. I suspect Prime Minister Cameron guessed that he might lose the vote and I also suspect that he isn't overly bothered by the outcome. Had Prime Minister Cameron been serious about deploying British Forces he would have and could have used a "take note" debate. Prime Minister Harper's recourses  to parliament were designed more to embarrass the Liberals than to actually seek parliament's consent.

Our unwritten system, which allows the prime minister to deploy forces but requires parliament's approval to maintain them, is sensible and robust. The American and French constitutions are less so.
 
recceguy said:
This may certainly be the case.

However, the Cold War never really ended.

On face value, nobody can believe what the ******** say.

Because they never really, ever, say anything, unless it's 100% in their own interest.

In which case, if they believe it will further their own objectives, they will lie.

FTFY

I suggest that the stream of leaks shows that all the powers do this,  The eastern bloc far moreso that the West.

At the same time if you take the statement about never believing the Russians at face value,  it makes the possibility of a strategic misunderstanding far more likely.
 
Strong words from both Harper and Baird. But is it really wise to continue towing the ``Assad used chemical weapons`` line to conform with US rhetoric against Syria when most of the rest of the world does not support Obama`s intentions to strike Syria or at least has the sense to stay out of this Sunni-Shiite quarrel? (even in spite of gathering evidence that Assad`s regime did cross the so-called ``red line`` )

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Baird says Canada cannot allow Syria to act with impunity
CBC

As world leaders wrapped up their meetings at the G20 Summit in St. Petersburg, Russia, Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird said Canada supports calls for a military intervention against the Assad regime in Syria as a direct response to that government's use of chemical weapons against civilians.

"What are people going to say next week if 5,000 people are gassed? What are people going to say next month if 25,000 people are gassed?" he said in an exclusive interview with host Evan Solomon on CBC Radio's The House, following a meeting with Sergei Lavrov, Baird's Russian counterpart. "This is a poor man's weapons of mass destruction and this guy cannot be allowed to get away with it."

The civil war in Syria dominated much of the St. Petersburg summit, where U.S. President Barack Obama sought support from world leaders for a military intervention, while Russian President Vladimir Putin affirmed his support for the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"We have a fundamental difference of opinion," said Baird. "Russia has been an ally of Assad. They've helped arm Assad. Their support has allowed him to soldier on for more than two years now."

Baird also said he is not optimistic that Russia will change its position on any upcoming Security Council vote on Syria, where Russia and China have blocked resolutions calling for intervention.

On Tuesday, Obama will address the American people as he seeks congressional approval for military strikes against Syria, which the United States has said it would lead. Opinion polls show public support for such an intervention is low.

Baird said Canada has not been asked to contribute militarily to that effort, but that the United States has Canada's full diplomatic and political support. Baird also announced $45 million in new humanitarian relief funding in response to an urgent appeal from the United Nations. More than two million Syrians have fled to surrounding countries to escape the violence, which has killed more than 100,000 Syrians since the begining of the conflict.

'New territory'
Prime Minister Stephen Harper also expressed grave concerns over the use of chemical weapons, which American, Turkish and French intelligence say was used by Assad's forces in an attack outside a Damascus suburb that killed more than 1,400 people on August 21, 2013.

"I believe that what we've been seeing over the past several months is the Syrian government, which finds itself in a stalemate, believes that it can win the war, the civil war in Syria, through the use of chemical weapons," Harper said in a news confernece on Friday from St. Petersburg.

"And they have been step by step ratcheting up that usage to see if anyone is going to challenge it. And I fear that if no one does challenge it they will use chemical weapons way beyond a scale that we have seen today to win that war. And if that ever happens, as I told the leaders last night, that is a precedent that humanity will regret for generations to come," he said.

Responsibility to protect

Former U.S. Ambassador Richard Williamson says there is a moral obligation to respond to the use of chemical weapons by Assad.

"Monsters like Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussien used chemical weapons," Williamson said in an interview with Solomon on The House. Williamson served as ambassador to Somalia under former U.S. president George W. Bush.

"We don't want it to become something that is used more frequently. Assad's use of chemical weapons is a particularly urgent challenge not only to deter him from continuing to use chemical weapons but also as a signal for the others, because we have some 80 or 90 countries with chemical weapons in stockpile and don't want them unleashed against innocent people or anyone for that matter."

Williamson thinks Obama has a tough sell as far as convincing the American people that the United States should launch military strikes inside Syria, strikes that Williamson thinks needs to be sustained and targeted at major military and communications infrastructure.

"In Kosovo there were no boots on the ground but NATO engaged in 78 days of brutal aerial assault and bombing and brought that ethnic cleansing to an end. I think it has to be targeted to eliminate some of their military assests — their six airfields that primarily are the ones used by the Syrian military — those should be and can be destroyed," Williamson said.

"We also have the capacity to destroy their communications centres. These would be steps that would not seek to have massive human casualties but would substantially change facts on the ground and hopefully lead Damascus to go to the bargaining table to seek a political settlement," he said.

Listen to the full interviews with Minister Baird and Richard Williamson on CBC Radio'sThe House.
 
Sadly, I suspect most of the chest thumping is for domestic consumption and to assuage that guilty feeling for sitting back and doing nothing (even if realistically there was nothing we could have done anyway).

In terms of real effective action Canada could provide some manpower and resources to enforcing a quarantine zone or cordon around the ME to ensure the fighting does not spill too far beyond the borders and start affecting Europe, Russia, China or the Americas. Like it or not, Turkey and Iran will eventually get more heavily involved, and the Saudis and Gulf States will eventually be forced to dissipate their accumulated oil wealth on protection as well as force generation to ensure "their" side prevails in the Shia/Sunni wars.

A realistic Canadian foreign policy will have to be examining the potential effects of these changes on Canadian interests, and how Canada can benefit from this while mitigating the negative fallout from the ongoing wars and instability.
 
Perhaps having more and larger MPSS detachments at more DFAIT missions overseas might be something to consider? Especially for missions (DFAIT term for signify embassies, consulates or trade offices overseas) in countries known to be possible hotspots?  The US has Marine sentries at several of their embassies overseas.

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Canadian diplomat's death highlights dangers of foreign service work
The Canadian Press

OTTAWA - Being a foreign service officer often involves genuine risk, not just endless cocktails at swishy parties, say those with strong ties to the diplomatic world — a fact driven home by the death of a Canadian who worked at the high commission in Kenya.

Annemarie Desloges, who served in the immigration section as a border liaison officer, was killed on Saturday in an attack by al-Shabab terrorists at a Nairobi shopping mall frequented by westerners.

"It underscores that these are very, very challenging jobs," said Fen Hampson, director of global security with the Centre for International Governance Innovation, a non-partisan think-tank.

"I think Canadians — certainly some of their elected leaders — tend to have a misconception about what is really a 24-7 job, and one where the risks run not just through the working day but when you're off duty."

Desloges belonged to the Professional Association of Foreign Service Officers, whose 1,350 members have been in a legal strike position since April, staging rotating job actions in Ottawa and at foreign missions.

The union wants wage parity with counterparts in other federal departments who make as much as $14,000 more for doing similar work. The federal government has resisted their demands, painting foreign service work as a coveted career with plentiful perks.


"In an age of terror, westerners — particularly diplomats — are targets," Hampson said. "They're carrying the flag of their country.

"When you sign up to join the foreign service, you go where you're sent. And whether you're young or old, married or unmarried, you're going to find yourself in hotspots where bad things can happen, and are more likely to happen."

Canadian diplomat Glyn Berry was killed by a car bomb in Afghanistan in 2006 — a horrible event fellow foreign service officer Ferry de Kerckhove, who served as Canada's high commissioner in Islamabad, remembers well.

"He was my No. 2 when I was in Pakistan," said de Kerckhove, who would later become the Foreign Affairs Department's director general for international organizations.

"He was pleading to go to Afghanistan. Eventually I allowed him to go."

De Kerckhove had brushes with violence himself, from dodging snipers in Russia to sifting through the wreckage of the devastating Bali bombing.

He's concerned the public has an inaccurate picture of foreign service work — "that diplomats are people holding a glass of champagne from five o'clock until midnight when that old myth is no longer the reality."

Before retiring in 2011 he served three years as Canada's ambassador to Egypt as the Arab Spring uprisings unfolded.

De Kerckhove says Stephen Harper's Conservative government "has very little time for its diplomats."

He now worries Canadian diplomats in trouble spots — including those in Cairo — are not adequately protected in the age of extremism.


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I am a little unclear how more Canadian MPs at the embassy in Kenya would have prevented the death of a diplomat at a shopping mall.

Could you explain?
 
SeaKingTacco said:
I am a little unclear how more Canadian MPs at the embassy in Kenya would have prevented the death of a diplomat at a shopping mall.

Just had the thought that those diplomats (called CBS officers or Canada-based-staff in DFAIT parlance) in higher-risk cities could be escorted.

Looking on it again, seems it is impractical to have CBS officers escorted around everywhere considering the number of officers at certain missions, with those higher CBS, such as each mission's Ambassador at each embassy, or the Consul General at each consulate, probably getting priority.
 
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