Canada's tanks

[PrairieFella]

Add a troop of 4x NEMO/Mjolner Mortars to every Gun Squadron.

Maybe 4 at the RHQ level but honestly, save them for the recce/light cav. Tanks are part of the combat team so they're already under the cover of the inf mortars and have a FOO attached to the combat team for the guns.

 

[markppcli]

Double post please delete

 

[PrairieFella]

The Brits have run several types of tanks regiments recently - the Type 56, Type 58 and Type 44. The numbers refer to the number of tanks in the regiment regardless of the number of recce vehs or squadrons in the regt.

Type 44 and 56 are three-squadron regiments. The Type 44 with 14 tanks per sqn and 2 in the Regt HQ. The Type 56 has 18 tanks per sqn and 2 in the HQ. The Type 58 has four squadrons and I'm not sure exactly how they are distributed. Type 44s generally had a larger number of recce vehs than the Type 58. Type 44 and 58 were older organizations and the current at this time seems to be the three-squadron Type 56 which also has a recce sqn.

I tend to use the term Type 59 because Canada generally has 19 tanks in a squadron and should also have two in the HQ for a total of 59. Interestingly, the older CFP 305-1 from 1990 called for a Canadian armoured regiment to have four tank squadrons and a recce troop. I'm not sure if that ever happened on the ground. When I left the RegF in 1981, the RCD in Germany were established with three tank squadrons, but I'm not sure if they ever had a flyover 4th squadron the same way that 1 RCHA had a flyover 4th M109 battery.

Small note - recently the Canadian tank sqn is now 20 tanks. A fire team partner has been added for the BC but thank you for the info. Wasn't tracking type 44. Seems a little small in terms of a squadron attack but not the end of the world.

 

[markppcli]

Maybe 4 at the RHQ level but honestly, save them for the recce/light cav. Tanks are part of the combat team so they're already under the cover of the inf mortars and have a FOO attached to the combat team for the guns.

Tankers don’t care about fires - I’ve learned that first hand. I’m generally not one to ever limit fires, however the company / squad echelon can’t handle 120s. They take up too much air space and go too far. Bn / Regt can probably manage two 4 tube platoons / troops but you’d need some one assigning and coordinating them. The idea you can’t just throw munitions in the air or 10 k forward is not reality.

 

[PrairieFella]

Tankers don’t care about fires - I’ve learned that first hand. I’m generally not one to ever limit fires, however the company / squad echelon can’t handle 120s. They take up too much air space and go too far. Bn / Regt can probably manage two 4 tube platoons / troops but you’d need some one assigning and coordinating them. The idea you can’t just throw munitions in the air or 10 k forward is not reality.

Agreed. Even 8 tubes per regt is probably 4 too many. Not really needed for tanks imo. The Cav Regt that's forward is a different story.

 

[Kirkhill]

No, because no one is going to be able to provide the FDC for them. 16 mortars to a regiment is frankly astronomical, and you’d need some kind of CP / FDC to coordinate them. I know i know this is all that boring / restrictive “professional” stuff you hate.

Mild correction - 12 Mortars per regiment, assuming @FJAG's Type 44 Regiment with 3 Squadrons of 14.

 

[KevinB]

Well this aged poorly given Hegsworths policy update. AMPV seems to be done and dusted.

Looking into it doesn’t mean dead. They have divested too many M113, and the fleet is on its last legs, and the ABCT’s need it. The comments about it being a box are dumb given what it is.
No shit it’s a box on tracks - but it has a common power pack and transmission and several chassis components to the Bradley and M109A7

 

[PrairieFella]

Looking into it doesn’t mean dead. They have divested too many M113, and the fleet is on its last legs, and the ABCT’s need it. The comments about it being a box are dumb given what it is.
No shit it’s a box on tracks - but it has a common power pack and transmission and several chassis components to the Bradley and M109A7

You're assuming your SecDef will be logical and consider the M113 situation haha.

 

[FJAG]

Small note - recently the Canadian tank sqn is now 20 tanks. A fire team partner has been added for the BC but thank you for the info. Wasn't tracking type 44. Seems a little small in terms of a squadron attack but not the end of the world.

A Type 44 is basically what an American armor bn was before they were reformed into CABs.

I’m with @markppcli and @PrairieFella on this. I can see a 4 tube tp at RHQ to allocate as required.

 

[Kirkhill]

So’s Hegsworth’s liver, and yet

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In addition to the RCV hit and howitzer still up in the air, the Army announced Thursday it will stop producing Humvees and Joint Light Tactical Vehicles.

In his email, Dean confirmed the fate of several other programs affected.

“M10 Booker will not move into full-rate reproduction, and it is unknown if the Army will field the systems currently in production or buy any additional [low-rate initial production] quantity,” he added. “AMPV [Armored Multi-Purpose Vehicle] production will be reduced to minimum sustainment rate but mitigated by Ukraine buyback. Stryker will not award further production orders in accordance with the AROC [Army Requirements Oversight Council].

As Dean wrote in his email, it is not clear what the service will now do with the 80-plus Bookers it has acquired. They could be fielded in a limited quantity or even stripped of sensitive components and sold to foreign countries.

the service wants to “accelerate” development of the Bradley replacement — dubbed the XM30 — and development of the future M1E3 Abrams main battle tank.

Would it be wrong to point out the commonality between the Bradley, the AMPV and the M109? And the intention to lighten up the Abrams?
Perhaps verging on one common tracked fleet?

Also, the light fleet shutting down and being left with the GM Defence ISV/Colorado/Silverado?

Any word on the USMC Cottonmouth ARV and their 32 tonne ACV?

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