Canadian Centurion tank

[FJAG]

A couple of points.

- CARC isn't so much a paint scheme but a paint formulation - Chemical Agent Resistant Coating - used in camouflage paint.

- note @exspy's comments about Canadian three-tone. There was a Canadian specific three-tone that preceded the NATO scheme and was used before and concurrently by the CAF (mostly in Canada) It's green and black and a third colour that sometimes appears greenish and other times more greenish with hints of tan. The article I cited above describes the distinction.

- the artillery regiments that I served with basically used the NATO three-colour scheme described above. AVGPs were slightly different and if memory still serves me right came in the Canadian three-colour scheme albeit I've seen pictures that appear more just green and black. The only centurions I worked with were Mark 5s in Canada and so the Canadian three-colour. By the time I did flyover deployments to Germany we had the Leopard 1s and all the equipment - guns, APCs, trucks etc. - was NATO three-colour by then. Back home we had MLVWs and 5/4 tons that were basically two-tone - black and green - and many newer vehicles coming on line that were just green.

- the trouble with most pictures of Canadian centurions in Europe are in the field and they are covered with dust and dirt which was frequently reddish-brown. That makes it very hard to tell if they are Canadian three-tone or NATO three-tone. The dates that your dad was there would help determine it and I think only an old tanker like @exspy or the museum in Oshawa would be able to nail it down for you.

Don't know if the Armour corp did it for their tanks, but in the artillery, we used to have to regularly slap Varsol and oil on the vehicles and guns to preserve them, which gave them a nice sheen, till you went into the field and then dust clung to it.

That was standard practice before the three colour system. With the 1960's olive drab scheme, the Varsol gave the trucks and guns a nice shiny pop. They looked like this:

And yeah - I saw Ferrets and

It didn't work with the three paint scheme and wasn't allowed to be done - which of course didn't stop the practice with NCOs having to NCO.

 

[C.Chapman-York]

Don't know if the Armour corp did it for their tanks, but in the artillery, we used to have to regularly slap Varsol and oil on the vehicles and guns to preserve them, which gave them a nice sheen, till you went into the field and then dust clung to it.

Oh that's interesting, would you happen to have a good reference photo for that? Not necessarily Canadian but just demonstrate the sheen?

 

[C.Chapman-York]

A couple of points.

- CARC isn't so much a paint scheme but a paint formulation - Chemical Agent Resistant Coating - used in camouflage paint.

- note @exspy's comments about Canadian three-tone. There was a Canadian specific three-tone that preceded the NATO scheme and was used before and concurrently by the CAF (mostly in Canada) It's green and black and a third colour that sometimes appears greenish and other times more greenish with hints of tan. The article I cited above describes the distinction.

- the artillery regiments that I served with basically used the NATO three-colour scheme described above. AVGPs were slightly different and if memory still serves me right came in the Canadian three-colour scheme albeit I've seen pictures that appear more just green and black. The only centurions I worked with were Mark 5s in Canada and so the Canadian three-colour. By the time I did flyover deployments to Germany we had the Leopard 1s and all the equipment - guns, APCs, trucks etc. - was NATO three-colour by then. Back home we had MLVWs and 5/4 tons that were basically two-tone - black and green - and many newer vehicles coming on line that were just green.

- the trouble with most pictures of Canadian centurions in Europe are in the field and they are covered with dust and dirt which was frequently reddish-brown. That makes it very hard to tell if they are Canadian three-tone or NATO three-tone. The dates that your dad was there would help determine it and I think only an old tanker like @exspy or the museum in Oshawa would be able to nail it down for you.


That was standard practice before the three colour system. With the 1960's olive drab scheme, the Varsol gave the trucks and guns a nice shiny pop. They looked like this:

And yeah - I saw Ferrets and

It didn't work with the three paint scheme and wasn't allowed to be done - which of course didn't stop the practice with NCOs having to NCO.

Ah okay I see how you mean, it's like a dull shine in a way

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Oh that's interesting, would you happen to have a good reference photo for that? Not necessarily Canadian but just demonstrate the sheen?

The truck above would be typical

 

[C.Chapman-York]

A couple of points.

- CARC isn't so much a paint scheme but a paint formulation - Chemical Agent Resistant Coating - used in camouflage paint.

- note @exspy's comments about Canadian three-tone. There was a Canadian specific three-tone that preceded the NATO scheme and was used before and concurrently by the CAF (mostly in Canada) It's green and black and a third colour that sometimes appears greenish and other times more greenish with hints of tan. The article I cited above describes the distinction.

- the artillery regiments that I served with basically used the NATO three-colour scheme described above. AVGPs were slightly different and if memory still serves me right came in the Canadian three-colour scheme albeit I've seen pictures that appear more just green and black. The only centurions I worked with were Mark 5s in Canada and so the Canadian three-colour. By the time I did flyover deployments to Germany we had the Leopard 1s and all the equipment - guns, APCs, trucks etc. - was NATO three-colour by then. Back home we had MLVWs and 5/4 tons that were basically two-tone - black and green - and many newer vehicles coming on line that were just green.

- the trouble with most pictures of Canadian centurions in Europe are in the field and they are covered with dust and dirt which was frequently reddish-brown. That makes it very hard to tell if they are Canadian three-tone or NATO three-tone. The dates that your dad was there would help determine it and I think only an old tanker like @exspy or the museum in Oshawa would be able to nail it down for you.


That was standard practice before the three colour system. With the 1960's olive drab scheme, the Varsol gave the trucks and guns a nice shiny pop. They looked like this:

And yeah - I saw Ferrets and

It didn't work with the three paint scheme and wasn't allowed to be done - which of course didn't stop the practice with NCOs having to NCO.

Okay I think im seeing it now... after seeing the article, and looking at Exspys photo again, and it looks like the center green stripes are dark and the green stripes fore and aft of the black are the lighter green

 

[FJAG]

Ah okay I see how you mean, it's like a dull shine in a way

There's no shine whatsoever.

Modern military paints need to fulfill many functions. These include durability to very rough wear and tear, rust protection, non absorption of chemicals and chemical agents, resistant to heat and cold, non reflective to light, reducing infra-red signatures . . . the list goes on and on. The colour pattern used to mean a lot when most sensor systems relied on visual acquisition and being able to distinguish friend from foe. That's not unimportant and many companies make their living coming up with ever changing colour patterns and designs. IR and thermal signatures can see through all of that which is why you see less and less importance put on paint schemes (Half the US army is still in desert tan while the rest is in NATO three colour and most of our kit is just one-tome green.

Okay I think im seeing it now... after seeing the article, and looking at Exspys photo again, and it looks like the center green stripes are dark and the green stripes fore and aft of the black are the lighter green

Yup - and when you look at this photo on the Canadian three-colour and its caption:

Paint chips courtesy of Anthony Sewards. Note how close the two greens are. A little bit of dirt or dust and they almost appear to be the same colour.

you can see the issue. Add to that old camera film, aging photo prints and bad lighting and the variations are endless.

 

[C.Chapman-York]

There's no shine whatsoever.

Modern military paints need to fulfill many functions. These include durability to very rough wear and tear, rust protection, non absorption of chemicals and chemical agents, resistant to heat and cold, non reflective to light, reducing infra-red signatures . . . the list goes on and on. The colour pattern used to mean a lot when most sensor systems relied on visual acquisition and being able to distinguish friend from foe. That's not unimportant and many companies make their living coming up with ever changing colour patterns and designs. IR and thermal signatures can see through all of that which is why you see less and less importance put on paint schemes (Half the US army is still in desert tan while the rest is in NATO three colour and most of our kit is just one-tome green.


Yup - and when you look at this photo on the Canadian three-colour and its caption:

you can see the issue. Add to that old camera film, aging photo prints and bad lighting and the variations are endless.

Oh interesting, I knew about ir remission on clothes and aircraft I should of assumed the vehicles would of done that too, I have a russian Gorka III suit that's supposedly IR Remiscent, supposedly lol, so i had an idea, as I'm not very skilled in a complex model overhaul yet, I will buy two Tongde Centurion Mk5 tanks, and keep one as a Mk5 and make it Canadian, and convert the other to Mk11 after that one's completed, I think my biggest fear is moving the headlights to be honest

 

[C.Chapman-York]

Buy Tongde UK Centurion Mk 5 Upgrade Edition 1/16 Scale Battle Tank - RTR

Buy Tongde UK Centurion Mk 5 Upgrade Edition 1/16 Scale Battle Tank - RTR online at Motion RC. Order online with fast delivery.

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This is the RC model I'm looking at

 

[exspy]

Not a good camouflage reference photo for a Mk 11 but it does show the long range fuel tank bolted to the rear of the chassis.

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[C.Chapman-York]

Not a good camouflage reference photo for a Mk 11 but it does show the long range fuel tank bolted to the rear of the chassis.

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Oh interesting, for some reason I thought they were round but this looks a lot more square, I'll have to dig around to see if I can find a way to replicate that

 

[C.Chapman-York]

Not a good camouflage reference photo for a Mk 11 but it does show the long range fuel tank bolted to the rear of the chassis.

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Out of curiosity, I learned that in 1979 my Opa was recce, im assuming recce didn't have the Centurion? I know he has a Centurion trophy so I'm assuming he spent some time on them

 

[FJAG]

Lynx

Lynx reconnaissance vehicle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Colin Parkinson]

For those of you that love Centurion stuff.

 

[C.Chapman-York]

For those of you that love Centurion stuff.

I love his channel lol, its like having beers with the boys working on a car, but its a Centurion, or numerous other ridiculous toys lol

 

[C.Chapman-York]

Lynx

ahh i thought so when they said Recce, funny enough ive always loved this thing! Never knew why, i was just weirdly drawn to these things, looks like ill have to build one of these in 1/16 scale too lol, i have an idea of how to do it, i just need to buy the Tongde 1/16 M113A1 and gut it for all its internals, and print myself a new body and parts etc

 

[FJAG]

ahh i thought so when they said Recce, funny enough ive always loved this thing! Never knew why, i was just weirdly drawn to these things, looks like ill have to build one of these in 1/16 scale too lol, i have an idea of how to do it, i just need to buy the Tongde 1/16 M113A1 and gut it for all its internals, and print myself a new body and parts etc

That's quite a bit of kit bashing. The tracks and shroud work well - once you remove one road wheel. Strangely enough the drive sprocket is on the front, like the M113, while the engine is at the rear, unlike the M113.

 

[C.Chapman-York]

That's quite a bit of kit bashing. The tracks and shroud work well - once you remove one road wheel. Strangely enough the drive sprocket is on the front, like the M113, while the engine is at the rear, unlike the M113.

I was thinking i could scale this body up to 1/16 scale

Canada M113½ C/V Lynx Command and Reconnaissance Vehicle

Files are in 1/100 scale. Part of the Canadian military arsenal set Separate turret and hull and wheels and components. Default armament provided is the .50 cal. Has turret for open hatch version Files are in 1/100 scale suitable for printing from 1/144 up to 1/35 scale depending on your skill...

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and harvest the electronics, especially the RC gun turret for the M113 50 cal would work great for the Lynx turret, as well as the tracks themselves as i can take tracklinks out as needed to shorten them, as well as the road wheels, possibly the suspension set up might be the same or similar to the M113 as well?

 

[C.Chapman-York]

Are we aloud to potentially create a couple threads for vehicles ? Id love to start getting some more information on cold war vehicles, im actually in the process of making a flyable CH-135/UH-1N for the flight simulator DCS World, heres what we have so far, itll cover the CH-135 and the UH-1N for its entire carreer in both militaries, this is our model so far, im aware its got way too many antennas onboard but in the program every single thing is visible inlcuding the two different hoists, where after we set what shows in the flight simulator based on variant