Canadian Federal Election 44 - Sep 2021

[QV]

Turns out hydropower is not so good for our environment due to emissions... the more you know.

Why Québec’s big bet on hydropower is bad news for the climate

Hydro-Québec’s goal to be “the battery of North America” recently received a setback in Maine, where voters in a referendum decided to protect their environment from the clear-cutting that would be needed to erect a massive hydroelectric corridor, but they may also have been responding to...

canadiandimension.com

In Québec, the flooded trees and soil from the boreal forest decay under water in the reservoirs for decades and continually release substantial methane and CO2 for 50 years or more. As a greenhouse gas, methane is dozens of times more detrimental to the climate than CO2.

Maine votes to halt construction of Hydro Quebec power line to U.S.

The project developer has filed a lawsuit in Maine Superior Court challenging the referendum

financialpost.com

 

[Good2Golf]

Discretionary consumption - like a day trip somewhere - would be higher. Very few people are going to turn a thermostat down below whatever they find comfortable just to save $20 a year.

True profit from these de-carbonization schemes is realized primarily by the companies and investors that are able to pass on the entire costs to the end-consumer in an essentially unconstrained manner, fully supported by politicians and associates who agreeably set
conditions for the companies’ successes.

Think US military-industrial profiteering in Iraq in 2003+, but on a global scale, and the enemy is a tenth or two of degrees every year.

 

[Good2Golf]

Turns out hydropower is not so good for our environment due to emissions... the more you know.

Why Québec’s big bet on hydropower is bad news for the climate

Hydro-Québec’s goal to be “the battery of North America” recently received a setback in Maine, where voters in a referendum decided to protect their environment from the clear-cutting that would be needed to erect a massive hydroelectric corridor, but they may also have been responding to...

canadiandimension.com

In Québec, the flooded trees and soil from the boreal forest decay under water in the reservoirs for decades and continually release substantial methane and CO2 for 50 years or more. As a greenhouse gas, methane is dozens of times more detrimental to the climate than CO2.

Maine votes to halt construction of Hydro Quebec power line to U.S.

The project developer has filed a lawsuit in Maine Superior Court challenging the referendum

financialpost.com

So they took trees, which in “alive mode” pull CO2 from the atmosphere to create oxygen, and switched them to “dead mode” to create CH4 and CO2 to help power all the N.E. US electric vehicles the next few decades.

Oopsies.

The irony in all this is that quite possibly the least overtly impactful energy to the environment will prove to be

 

[Altair]

So they took trees, which in “alive mode” pull CO2 from the atmosphere to create oxygen, and switched them to “dead mode” to create CH4 and CO2 to help power all the N.E. US electric vehicles the next few decades.

Oopsies.

The irony in all this is that quite possibly the least overtly impactful energy to the environment will prove to be
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Worked for France.

 

[Altair]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/devin-dreeshen-drinking-allegations-alberta-ucp-1.6237656

I hope they get the help they need.

Another headache for the UCP though.

 

[Brad Sallows]

does that in itself not reduce emissions?

Yes, but there are no free lunches. The people who provide "beer money" goods and services take a haircut.

 

[Remius]

When younger and dumber the wife and I would go for a drive around town just to see the sights or have the wind in our hair.

Gas was 90 cents then.

We wouldn't be doing it at 1.50 per litre, I'll tell you that right now.

Nice but you miss the point. People still need to drive to work. They still need to drive to get groceries and other stuff. Most of my driving is driving to and from work, being a dad taxi for kid’s stuff and occasionally trips to the cottage. A tax won’t stop that. What I will cut is ethically sourced foods, environmentally friendly places I can’t get to in favour of more conviennent and cheaper options. Driving is a necessity in Canada. A tax won’t stop that. The hippies that live downtown will be fine except most of those businesses they bike to will likely be shutting down.

What gets me to stop my driving and even maybe scaling down to one car is working from home. Not some some tax. The government can get way more innovative in its approach rather than just “tax”.

 

[Altair]

Nice but you miss the point. People still need to drive to work. They still need to drive to get groceries and other stuff. Most of my driving is driving to and from work, being a dad taxi for kid’s stuff and occasionally trips to the cottage. A tax won’t stop that. What I will cut is ethically sourced foods, environmentally friendly places I can’t get to in favour of more conviennent and cheaper options. Driving is a necessity in Canada. A tax won’t stop that. The hippies that live downtown will be fine except most of those businesses they bike to will likely be shutting down.

What gets me to stop my driving and even maybe scaling down to one car is working from home. Not some some tax. The government can get way more innovative in its approach rather than just “tax”.

With higher prices people cut unnecessary driving.

Will you drive to get groceries? Yes.

Will you take a road trip? Maybe not.

As for businesses shutting down, employment is back to where it was pre pandemic, the economy is growing, and the carbon that still exists.

BC was a have province before the carbon tax and is still a have province after the carbon tax. This fallacy that a carbon tax leads to mass business failures is just that. A fallacy.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

With higher prices people cut unnecessary driving.

Bullshit,.....I just have to pay more to do it. Which means less spent on something that helps the economy.

 

[Altair]

Bullshit,.....I just have to pay more to do it. Which means less spent on something that helps the economy.

Not everyone thinks like you methinks.

 

[brihard]

Same as I wonder if this place is a meeting space for CPC EDAs.

To the best of my knowledge we only have one member here who’s on a CPC EDA, and he’s one of the smartest cats this forum has. Probably why he won’t sully himself in the muck of the politics threads.

 

[Remius]

Not everyone thinks like you methinks.

No one who owns a trailer is going to stop taking road trips. In fact trailer sales are up since Covid started. These people will just spend less on other stuff.

 

[Altair]

To the best of my knowledge we only have one member here who’s on a CPC EDA, and he’s one of the smartest cats this forum has. Probably why he won’t sully himself in the muck of the politics threads.

Could have fooled me.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Will you take a road trip? Maybe not.

People who feel like they've been pressured out of the fun things in life tend to get stressed about it. Then they push back. Not that anything has happened recently that should teach even the most HUTA politician/bureaucrat the lesson.

 

[Altair]

People who feel like they've been pressured out of the fun things in life tend to get stressed about it. Then they push back. Not that anything has happened recently that should teach even the most HUTA politician/bureaucrat the lesson.

Fun stuff in life versus reducing emissions.

Tough choice. Thank goodness I'm a homebody

 

[YZT580]

With higher prices people cut unnecessary driving.

Will you drive to get groceries? Yes.

Will you take a road trip? Maybe not.

As for businesses shutting down, employment is back to where it was pre pandemic, the economy is growing, and the carbon that still exists.

BC was a have province before the carbon tax and is still a have province after the carbon tax. This fallacy that a carbon tax leads to mass business failures is just that. A fallacy.

Except that, in many cases, the job quality has gone sharply down and people are working longer hours to cover the differences so the quality of family life has also gone down. You are absolutely correct: I am not taking the road trip that I was planning therefore 7 hotels, 14 restaurants, a dozen or so attractions will do without my business. If, and I say if because I can only speak for myself in this instance, others have made or are making the same decisions that will put one or two other Canadian businesses out of the marketplace. People are cutting out the fat and that is killing small people oriented businesses.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Except that, in many cases, the job quality has gone sharply down and people are working longer hours to cover the differences so the quality of family life has also gone down. You are absolutely correct: I am not taking the road trip that I was planning therefore 7 hotels, 14 restaurants, a dozen or so attractions will do without my business. If, and I say if because I can only speak for myself in this instance, others have made or are making the same decisions that will put one or two other Canadian businesses out of the marketplace. People are cutting out the fat and that is killing small people oriented businesses.

FYI....

Impact of COVID-19 on small businesses in Canada, third quarter of 2021​

Small and medium sized businesses are significant contributors to the Canadian economy. For context, small businesses made up 98.0% of all employer businesses in Canada in 2020,Note employing 9.7 million individuals in Canada - approximately 64% of the total labour force. By comparison, medium-sized businesses employed 3.2 million individuals (21.2% of the labour force) and large businesses employed 2.3 million individuals (14.8% of the labour force).Note As such, small businesses are an important role in employing Canadians and are a significant driver towards economic recovery.

From the beginning of July to early August 2021, Statistics Canada conducted the Canadian Survey on Business Conditions to better understand the ongoing effects of the pandemic on businesses and business expectations moving forward. Based on the results of the survey, while the majority of businesses in Canada expected to be impacted, smaller businesses expected more significant impacts, such as a decrease in profitability and sales. Small businesses were less likely to be able to take on more debt, have the liquid assets to operate, have their workforce primarily telework after the pandemic, outsource tasks, and implement environmental practices. This article provides insights on the expectations of small business as well as the specific realities faced by these businesses during these unprecedented times.

Impact of COVID-19 on small businesses in Canada, third quarter of 2021

By the third quarter of 2021, the Canadian economy had experienced over a full year of COVID-19. With the proportion of small businesses making up nearly all of the employer businesses in Canada, small businesses are an important role in employing Canadians and are a significant driver towards...

www150.statcan.gc.ca

 

[Altair]

FYI....

Impact of COVID-19 on small businesses in Canada, third quarter of 2021​

Small and medium sized businesses are significant contributors to the Canadian economy. For context, small businesses made up 98.0% of all employer businesses in Canada in 2020,Note employing 9.7 million individuals in Canada - approximately 64% of the total labour force. By comparison, medium-sized businesses employed 3.2 million individuals (21.2% of the labour force) and large businesses employed 2.3 million individuals (14.8% of the labour force).Note As such, small businesses are an important role in employing Canadians and are a significant driver towards economic recovery.

From the beginning of July to early August 2021, Statistics Canada conducted the Canadian Survey on Business Conditions to better understand the ongoing effects of the pandemic on businesses and business expectations moving forward. Based on the results of the survey, while the majority of businesses in Canada expected to be impacted, smaller businesses expected more significant impacts, such as a decrease in profitability and sales. Small businesses were less likely to be able to take on more debt, have the liquid assets to operate, have their workforce primarily telework after the pandemic, outsource tasks, and implement environmental practices. This article provides insights on the expectations of small business as well as the specific realities faced by these businesses during these unprecedented times.

Impact of COVID-19 on small businesses in Canada, third quarter of 2021

By the third quarter of 2021, the Canadian economy had experienced over a full year of COVID-19. With the proportion of small businesses making up nearly all of the employer businesses in Canada, small businesses are an important role in employing Canadians and are a significant driver towards...

www150.statcan.gc.ca

Were you not the one saying that cutting the wage subsidy was a good idea?

 

[Altair]

Except that, in many cases, the job quality has gone sharply down and people are working longer hours to cover the differences so the quality of family life has also gone down. You are absolutely correct: I am not taking the road trip that I was planning therefore 7 hotels, 14 restaurants, a dozen or so attractions will do without my business. If, and I say if because I can only speak for myself in this instance, others have made or are making the same decisions that will put one or two other Canadian businesses out of the marketplace. People are cutting out the fat and that is killing small people oriented businesses.

Thank you for helping reduce CO2 emissions and helping to prove my point.

 

[lenaitch]

So they took trees, which in “alive mode” pull CO2 from the atmosphere to create oxygen, and switched them to “dead mode” to create CH4 and CO2 to help power all the N.E. US electric vehicles the next few decades.

Oopsies.

The irony in all this is that quite possibly the least overtly impactful energy to the environment will prove to be
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I agree, but there is the waste thing . . .