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Canadian Foreign Interference (General)

Utter nonsense. His parliamentary privilege would not be muzzled by FISOIA. He has stated it over and over again be cause he knows he rely on supporters to just buy it without making any effort to understand the applicable laws and parliamentary immunities. He would simply need to behave responsibly within what he learned within the confines of those privileges if he wished to continue to be shown such into with any degree of detail in the future. The whole point of intelligence collection is for it to be used to inform policy, within the constraints of the ability to protect sources and methods.
Is that so? How about the legal experts (like lawyers) who have said after taking the brief he can NOT say anything or he can ACT in way to reveal the info he learned in the top secret briefing. In accordance with the secrets act.

I think his advisor team was way ahead of someone like Trudeau and he was right about how he handled it.

Some of you are quite upset about that.
 
Utter nonsense. His parliamentary privilege would not be muzzled by FISOIA. He has stated it over and over again be cause he knows he rely on supporters to just buy it without making any effort to understand the applicable laws and parliamentary immunities. He would simply need to behave responsibly within what he learned within the confines of those privileges if he wished to continue to be shown such into with any degree of detail in the future. The whole point of intelligence collection is for it to be used to inform policy, within the constraints of the ability to protect sources and methods.
Now Trudeau on the other hand, had all the power in the world to de-classify the documents or take action as the Prime Minister.
 
Is that so? How about the legal experts (like lawyers) who have said after taking the brief he can NOT say anything or he can ACT in way to reveal the info he learned in the top secret briefing. In accordance with the secrets act.

I think his advisor team was way ahead of someone like Trudeau and he was right about how he handled it.

Some of you are quite upset about that.
There is no “secrets act”. You don’t even have the most basic understanding of what law applies- I specifically referenced it; FISOIA (as amended from SOIA in June). Guess what the new “FI” part stands for. I’m bloody sure you’re not in a position to speak to how offences under that act actually work.

Lawyers experienced in national security law have indeed spoken on this, and on how it interfaces with his parliamentary immunities. If Elizabeth May can read a report and give a presser, so can he- and she wasn’t even covered by any parliamentary privilege there. He’s literally choosing to be less informed on Canada’s national security than Elizabeth May. Ponder that.

If he wants to shape certain legislation being introduced in Parliament based on intelligence information he absolutely can. How do you think national security legislation is crafter? It’s not by ignoring security intelligence. It needs to be used carefully but it can be used. He would just find himself in a position where he would no longer be able to fall back on ignorance of the truth.

Now Trudeau on the other hand, had all the power in the world to de-classify the documents
That’s not how originator control and declassification work.

or take action as the Prime Minister.
Like introducing and passing laws. Like Bill C-70 regarding foreign interference that got royal assent in June, and which establishes new criminal offences, new threat reduction disclosure powers for CSIS, and a foreign agents registry once regulation is issued.
 
If Elizabeth May can read a report and give a presser,
And what came of that presser? Nothing. More obscurity. She was like "Nothing to worry about here". And Jagmeet Singh was just the opposite. He was worried.

So who to believe? Yeah exactly.

I still think Pierre Poilievre made the right call. And how did it hurt his position? Not at all.
 
And what came of that presser? Nothing. More obscurity. She was like "Nothing to worry about here". And Jagmeet Singh was just the opposite. He was worried.

So who to believe? Yeah exactly.

I still think Pierre Poilievre made the right call. And how did it hurt his position? Not at all.
And out of my whole post you pick that one line and only reply to it. As expected, you show no real insight into or understanding of the subject matter.
 
And out of my whole post you pick that one line and only reply to it. As expected, you show no real insight into or understanding of the subject matter.
I have a lot more "whole picture" understanding than you will EVER have. If I was overly concerned about the exactness of the laws, I can take the time to bug lawyer friends to read it and explain the gritty details to me.

Pierre Poilievre came out ahead by not playing into Trudeau's trap and demonstrated political master class against Trudeau and the LPC again. Something you CAN'T wrap your head around.
 
I have a lot more "whole picture" understanding than you will EVER have. If I was overly concerned about the exactness of the laws, I can take the time to bug lawyer friends to read it and explain the gritty details to me.

Pierre Poilievre came out ahead by not playing into Trudeau's trap and demonstrated political master class against Trudeau and the LPC again. Something you CAN'T wrap your head around.
I will defer to your lawyer friends and their real life experience with investigations and prosecutions under the Security of Information Act.
 
I will call it a night on this discussion. If you need to talk to me further, I am the green fuzzy guy that lives in a garbage can on Sesame Street.
 
Having a security clearance does not “muzzle” anyone. You are not allowed to share secret information whether you have a clearance or not. What having a security does is to grant legal access to secret information that you need.
 
PP could renew his security clearance and not read the report.
Then what would some say?
 
Probably the same thing. Just read the report.

CSIS felt it necessary to offer a limited briefing and even then refused
Your showing your lack of political situational awareness. No one gives a rats ass now if he had his clearance and took the briefing or not. The wild west of Canadian politics has way moved on from that. Its grasping at desperate smear attempts like that that leaves the anti-Poilievre crowd in the very small minority.
 
Your showing your lack of political situational awareness. No one gives a rats ass now if he had his clearance and took the briefing or not. The wild west of Canadian politics has way moved on from that. Its grasping at desperate smear attempts like that that leaves the anti-Poilievre crowd in the very small minority.
Sure Rick. Whatever calms you down. But thanks for stating his refusal to read it is politically motivated. On that we agree.
 
Sure Rick. Whatever calms you down. But thanks for stating his refusal to read it is politically motivated. On that we agree.
Broken clock is right twice a day, which one of us is the broken clock?
 
Sure Rick. Whatever calms you down. But thanks for stating his refusal to read it is politically motivated. On that we agree.
Seriously, in my mind, you don't separate good politics from doing what is right. Where as bad politics (or bad political moves) are just that.
 
Looks like a grab bag of Conservative and NDP pols, including the mayor of Vancouver, was at a gathering of pro-Beijing groups.


Sim, NDP-aligned Burnaby Coun. James Wang and Conservative MLAs Steve Kooner and Dallas Brodie joined the People’s Republic of China’s Deputy Consul Gen. Zeng Zhi at the Terminal City Club, where attendees stood for the singing of the “March of the Volunteers” Chinese Communist Party (CCP) national anthem.

Sim posed for photographs with CBA chair Helen Qian Hua (organizer of a 2013 gala marking 120 years since Mao Zedong’s birth), Canada Shandong Business Association head Zheng Yan (leader of a 2023 Vancouver delegation to China for Xi Jinping Thought sessions) and Canada China Cultural Communication Association director Ye Hongtao (a participant in the August 2019 pro-CCP protests in Vancouver).
Almost two years ago, leaks of Canadian Security Intelligence Service documents indicated a Chinese diplomat in Vancouver worked to help get a Chinese-Canadian candidate elected mayor in 2022. Sim and his ABC Vancouver party won a landslide over pro-Taiwan incumbent Mayor Kennedy Stewart, but he scoffed at the suggestion.
The former NDP-aligned mayor was an ardent critic of Beijing and advocated greater ties to Taiwan.
 
More on how Project Sidewinder was scuttled by CSIS in the 90’s.

 
More on how Project Sidewinder was scuttled by CSIS in the 90’s.

Not surprising that evidence was destroyed. It’s the Canadian way of avoiding having to do something hard.

We shall reap what the spineless bureaucrats and buffoons sow
 
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