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Canadian Magpul Source?

One of the flaws in a badly flawed law:

With respect to firearms, the legislation says that the frame or receiver constitutes a firearm under the law (ignoring those firearms which have neither). Everything other than the frame or receiver is an uncontrolled part.

There is no such equivalent when it comes to magazines. Every component is an uncontrolled part.

You could purchase magazine bodies by the ton, and be quite legal.

You could amass thousands of springs, and remain on the right side of the law.

Followers? Base plates? Go wild, and still feel safe from prosecution.

Assemble one set of parts into a complete mag, however, and you're liable for a lengthy stay in a facility with a better standard of accommodation than some transient quarters.

If Magpul sells components, you could make four separate orders - but there are still restrictions to export from the US under ITAR.
 
Are you guys buying these PMags for work or for your own off time shooting?

If you still work for the CF, why are you putting down the money?
 
St. Micheals Medical Team said:
Are you guys buying these PMags for work or for your own off time shooting?

If you still work for the CF, why are you putting down the money?

I think that these guys are in units that don't have the budget that other units may have, or the desire to push the DLR envelope when it comes to weapons accessories purchased at the unit level.  If it were me looking to make my mags alot more reliable, I'd probably stick with the issued mag bodies, but look at replacing the followers with the magpul ones, some newer springs, and maybe some ranger plates instead of the issued baseplates.  That said, the Magpul P-Mag looks like a very interesting product, but given Canada's restrictive firearms importation laws, there are some easier ways to make your mags more functional and reliable.
 
Matt_Fisher said:
I think that these guys are in units that don't have the budget that other units may have, or the desire to push the DLR envelope when it comes to weapons accessories purchased at the unit level.  If it were me looking to make my mags alot more reliable, I'd probably stick with the issued mag bodies, but look at replacing the followers with the magpul ones, some newer springs, and maybe some ranger plates instead of the issued baseplates.  That said, the Magpul P-Mag looks like a very interesting product, but given Canada's restrictive firearms importation laws, there are some easier ways to make your mags more functional and reliable.
If it's posible to somehow get Pmags up here, I think it would make more fiancial sense to buy an actual PMag then spend the money on springs and followers.  That's just the math whe looking at the prices of components from Canadian sources, and the price i see Pmags quoted for in the US.
 
Try and find a US dealer who will go through the hassle of shipping any firearms accessory to this country.
 
Loachman said:
Try and find a US dealer who will go through the hassle of shipping any firearms accessory to this country.
Or a friend?  Is there possibl legal reprecussions if they get stuck at the border or will they just "return to sender"?
 
St. Micheals Medical Team said:
Are you guys buying these PMags for work or for your own off time shooting?

A little from column A, a little from Column B.  Personally, I just want some for use in Trg and possible future deployment.

St. Micheals Medical Team said:
If you still work for the CF, why are you putting down the money?

Reserves.  No budget.  Old weapons and EIS that falls apart.  All of are C7s are older than most of the troops using them.

Besides; before I deployed, I dropped about $1000 on tactical kit (chest rig, rails, fore grips, dump pouch, drop leg, etc) and although I was only there for 3 weeks, I used every piece of kit, and am confident that those pieces of kit aided me every day I used them, especially when I really needed them... like in 4+ hour fire fights.
Now that I'm back, and am thinking of another deployment, or perhaps a career change that will put me back into the same type of situation, and I've learned more about what is out there, and how it would have benefited me in combat, I've greatly increased the amount of kit I would like which is beyond the Army's budget/knowledge.

Here's how I see it; When I finished college (for General metal machining and CNC) and started working in a machine shop, tools were provided.  The tools were adequate for the most basic of operations and were fine when I was learning how to do things.  Then after a while, while looking around, learning more about my trade, talking to other certified machinists with real world experience, I realized that the "issued" tools were garbage.  Cheapest on the market. They broke, they bent, they weren't accurate when they needed to be and they were constantly being replaced with more crap that was just as useless. 

I had always wondered why the other machinists had their own tool chests full of pretty much the same stuff but higher quality, as well as stuff I had never seen before... then I started to notice that they were working more quickly and efficiently than me... Why? 'cause, besides the TI and experience, they had the right tools for the job and they lost very little, if any, time to broken tools.

I thought about this, and even used Statistical Process Control to estimate time and cost loss for damaged tools; it turns out that I was less than half as effective than my equally trained and educated counterparts in the shop who had their own tools (more than 75% less effective than the "old boys"... but thats just time in.).  With this knowledge in mind, I started using a large chunk of my pay check on "good" tools.  By the time I left that job, I had invested around $5000 in tools (about 3/4 of other machinists annual tool budget)... I didn't consider this a "loss" or a bad move, cause the next job I got paid 3 times as much, and required employees to come equipped with their own tools... and even had an "tool allowance" for replacements.

Where am I going with this?  Most, if not all, technical professionals, in just about any trade, will opt to use their own tools and even go as far as to buy their own out of pocket. Why? 'cause they're professionals... they know what they need to get the job done. They work with the equipment every day and know what works best.  How does this equate to the military? We're supposed to be "professional soldiers".  Most soldiers can figure out what works best, but unfortunately, we're stuck with the "issued kit' which can sometimes be sub-par.  Don't get me wrong, for some people, the issued kit works great.. some people can make it work for them.  But most soldiers would probably prefer to use kit that they know, for sure, works for them.  Professionals make their tools work for them... they don't work for their tools.

Anyway, I could go on for hours about why we should have the option to use the kit that we feel works best for us, and even how to facilitate this idea, but it will only move this topic even more off course and I'm just sick of pushing the big rock up the steep hill (the whole issue).  There's more than enough threads on these forums about all the "it would be nice", and "we should have, but don't" as well as the "why don't we use this, it's better than what we have."  Unfortunately, it's like trying to explain the importance of the mission in Afghanistan to a pot smoking, tree hugging, birkinstock wearin', granola eating, hippy, Taleban supporting NDP leader... You could show every aspect of it, and it'll still be ignored. 





I'm not bitter, I'm just misunderstood.
 
What do you have against bitter?

I'm bitter, and I revel in my bitterness.

Anyway, to get back on topic with a previously-asked but as yet unanswered question, what's the advantage to Ranger Plates? What do they do that the regular base plates and Magpuls don't?
 
Loachman said:
What do you have against bitter?

I'm bitter, and I revel in my bitterness.

Anyway, to get back on topic with a previously-asked but as yet unanswered question, what's the advantage to Ranger Plates? What do they do that the regular base plates and Magpuls don't?

Fit better in a mag pouch  ;)

Since they are a direct replacement for the base plate of the mag, they don't increase the size of the mag either fore/aft or side to side.  If you are using a mag pouch that covers most of the mag (ie. Crap Vest) or puts several mags in close proximity to one another, you may experience some difficulty either getting the mag pouch closed on a full load or (more critically) getting the mag out in a timely fashion...


ymmv

blake
 
and damn they look cooler.

  Actually on Hk and the CF Teflon mag they are a little slick sided (compared to a powder coated mag) and I've seen magpuls pulled off a mag when the mag got hung up.

Legally you can take the mag apart in the US and bring it over.  However CBSA have different rules than Canadian Law - and they want the mag pinned previous to it being imported.

Walt @ Arms East (Newfoundland) brings in a bunch of stuff - he brought in 10.3 CMMG uppers (only for sale to Mil/LE pers, (reg or reserve and indivual purchase is okay)
  Wolverine Supplies (Virden Mb), The Shooting Edge (Cgy Ab), P&D (Edm Ab), and CRAFM (Montreal Que) all bring in stuff.

 
Got a picture of the plate on one of my mags.

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I am thinking with a US APO.. like here in Ghanafistan, I can order some of those puppies for me.. hmmm
 
D,

  DS Tactical here is also looking at bringing PMAGs in... Do it post haste mate!
 
Bzzliteyr said:
I am thinking with a US APO.. like here in Ghanafistan, I can order some of those puppies for me.. hmmm
 

In theory you can't send Mags thru the mail...

But I'm living proof you can  ;)
 
On LF, all the guys have ordered them, no?  It will be leaving a US  store into a US post office, probably the safest way of handling it, no?
 
Canada would be that much closer to heaven if we removed all these rediculous banns and rules!
 
MedTech said:
Canada would be that much closer to heaven if we removed all these rediculous banns and rules!

Well.. c'mon now... you know, only registered weapons are used in crime...  our system is very good at keeping illegal, unregistered weapons off the streets... so the gov has to put restrictions on the weapons they can already account for, or we'd just run around capping each other...  Besides, you really can't kill anyone with any less than 6 bullets... that's why mags are pinned to 5.  ::)  [/Sarcasm]

 
Attempting to reduce murder by restricting mags to 5 (rifle) or 10 (pistol) rounds is like trying to reduce drunk driving deaths by prohibitinig the sale of beer in anything bigger than a six-pack.
 
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