Canadian modular assault rifle project, a C7 replacement?

[Fabius]

I wasn’t tracking we had decided on optics. Which optics were picked?
Any idea if we are proceeding with our proprietary reticle?

 

[IRepoCans]

They haven't selected any optics yet (just like how the C8A4 might not just be a CC MRR, the ones we're seeing which were the same MRRs they had back when 3RCR got J-Pat for other trials aren't the C8A4: just a testing bed for whatever DLR wants to do with them) they just know the optics package they want to go for, albeit for what I've heard about how much they're looking to pay for the LPVOs, CCOs and their corresponding mounts I doubt we'll even see mounts and LPVOs from middle of the road providers like Vortex, hell their budget for testing couldn't even afford a T2 with a stock mount.

The SOR is still not even finished being drafted or approved by any meaningful authority yet.

All that is known is what they want per package:

Full Spectrum Rifle (stupid ass name btw for fighting line units at ~8000 rifles) with LVPO (may or may not have a piggy backed optic), 14.5" barrel and suppressor.​

General Service Rifle with CCO (may or may not have a paired magnifier), 11.5" barrel and no suppressor.​

I don't understand the reasonable why behind the barrel length disparity between the two, but apparently everyone that isn't in a combat arms unit is getting a shorty.

 

[boredtoon]

I don't understand the reasonable why behind the barrel length disparity between the two, but apparently everyone that isn't in a combat arms unit is getting a shorty.

As per the DLR slides on sharepoint, the FS rifle will have better accuracy, and an effective range at the individual level out to 600m (? I can't remember the number right now, I can check when I am back at work). The GS rifle will be slightly less accurate than the FS, but still more accurate than the current C7/8, with an effective range to 400m(? again, can't remember the specific number, I will check tomorrow. But its less than the FS).

 

[brihard]

As per the DLR slides on sharepoint, the FS rifle will have better accuracy, and an effective range at the individual level out to 600m (? I can't remember the number right now, I can check when I am back at work). The GS rifle will be slightly less accurate than the FS, but still more accurate than the current C7/8, with an effective range to 400m(? again, can't remember the specific number, I will check tomorrow. But its less than the FS).

The limiting factors will almost invariably be the shooters, not the rifles or optics. CAF can buy the best whizz bang rifle in the world but it needs to buy a lot more bullets.

 

[IRepoCans]

As per the DLR slides on sharepoint, the FS rifle will have better accuracy, and an effective range at the individual level out to 600m (? I can't remember the number right now, I can check when I am back at work). The GS rifle will be slightly less accurate than the FS, but still more accurate than the current C7/8, with an effective range to 400m(? again, can't remember the specific number, I will check tomorrow. But its less than the FS).

Mate, with reasonable ammo, a decent appreciation for connection to the gun and the appropriate firing position you can push to 500-600m effectively with an 11.5 with a reasonable amount of meaningful training/coaching.

I've seen the slide show you are referring to, but the muzzle velocity difference between an 11.5 and 14.5 isn't much, and the barrel/gun have a relatively fixed mechanical accuracy before you throw in the shooter of which 3" of barrel length isn't going to influence as much in the shooters favour.

 

[Fabius]

They haven't selected any optics yet (just like how the C8A4 might not just be a CC MRR, the ones we're seeing which were the same MRRs they had back when 3RCR got J-Pat for other trials aren't the C8A4: just a testing bed for whatever DLR wants to do with them) they just know the optics package they want to go for, albeit for what I've heard about how much they're looking to pay for the LPVOs, CCOs and their corresponding mounts I doubt we'll even see mounts and LPVOs from middle of the road providers like Vortex, hell their budget for testing couldn't even afford a T2 with a stock mount.

The SOR is still not even finished being drafted or approved by any meaningful authority yet.

All that is known is what they want per package:

Full Spectrum Rifle (stupid ass name btw for fighting line units at ~8000 rifles) with LVPO (may or may not have a piggy backed optic), 14.5" barrel and suppressor.​

General Service Rifle with CCO (may or may not have a paired magnifier), 11.5" barrel and no suppressor.​

I don't understand the reasonable why behind the barrel length disparity between the two, but apparently everyone that isn't in a combat arms unit is getting a shorty.

Yeah, that’s all basically what I was tracking but maybe I missed something on the optics decisions.

Those pictures clearly show a mix and match and I should not have maybe called them C8A4s.
I found it amusing that they were running ELCANs with flip up iron sights in the up position with no rears on the guns.
The guy in OD had both front and rear and seemed to be using them along with the EOTECH.
Clearly those aren’t the same as the C8A4/optic/suppressor combo that was travelling around through soldier trials.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Remember a large part of the belief that longer barrels equal more accuracy has to do with sight radius and iron sight rifles. The longer the rifle was the longer the sight radius which tended to equal better practical accuracy for iron sight shooters.

Optics have changed that game.