Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread
- Thread starter jmt18325
- Start date
Halifax Tar
Army.ca Legend
- Reaction score
- 14,571
- Points
- 1,260
FSTO
Army.ca Fixture
- Reaction score
- 6,616
- Points
- 1,210
Why?
Genetk44
Member
- Reaction score
- 75
- Points
- 460
Just a point of discussion….not n any particular order of importance 1) to keep the design and development guys in work until the next major project, 2) to be able to open the ice for our frigates/destroyers during ice-season 3) to augment the CCG/RCMP patrols in the arctic during ice-season.
- Reaction score
- 9,954
- Points
- 1,160
Venetian Arsenal sez that that system is not new.
Opened in 1107. Produced ships until 1797.
The Royal Dockyards tell a similar tale.
Even this "capitalist" will admit that not all problems are solved by "the market".
- Reaction score
- 9,954
- Points
- 1,160
It doesn't. Irving got their design for the AOPS by way of West Coast designers. For that matter so did Norway.
Polar Design Associates - Kvaerner - Wartsila - Masa - Aker - STX - Fincantieri - Vard.
The convoluted name/ownership stream tells you all you need to know about the profitability of building ships.
...
Forgot to mention that BMT got their fingers in the pie as well.
Rainbow1910
Sr. Member
- Reaction score
- 1,369
- Points
- 810
There is a fundamental disconnect in the roles and required traits of icebreakers and combatants that make them incompatible, you will end up with a bloated, costly and complex vessel that won't be satisfactory for either purpose.
which, if I recall a comment from further upstream correctly, the AOP class is a patrol/constabulary vessel and not a warship although with the advent of bolt on systems I think they could serve as pickets by adding a can or two.
- Reaction score
- 32,676
- Points
- 1,090
Irving: You had me at costly
Rainbow1910
Sr. Member
- Reaction score
- 1,369
- Points
- 810
Not sure if I would call a ship with a relatively poor sensor suite, unclassified CMS and a few seacan spaces a picket in the modern sense. Fire ship might be more apt as how things would go.
Fire ship - Wikipedia
- Reaction score
- 7,284
- Points
- 1,090
I think we can find more use for it than that. LolNot sure if I would call a ship with a relatively poor sensor suite, unclassified CMS and a few seacan spaces a picket in the modern sense. Fire ship might be more apt as how things would go.
Fire ship - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
- Reaction score
- 32,676
- Points
- 1,090
Anticipatory artificial reef would be a better description.Not sure if I would call a ship with a relatively poor sensor suite, unclassified CMS and a few seacan spaces a picket in the modern sense. Fire ship might be more apt as how things would go.
Fire ship - Wikipedia
FSTO
Army.ca Fixture
- Reaction score
- 6,616
- Points
- 1,210
Once again why? Our warships are not designed to enter any ice. And why would you put a warship whose main defence is maneuverability within an ice pack. Its like making your infantry trying to fight in quicksand.
Hopefully the Ice Breaker idea morphs into say an ice belted Karl Doorman class. Something the Navy (maybe the RCAF as well)
can find a use for and some dog and Pony stuff up to an Ice edge. Fly off some Chinooks with BV-206's dangling for the camera's and the Whitehouse see's us doing something.
can find a use for and some dog and Pony stuff up to an Ice edge. Fly off some Chinooks with BV-206's dangling for the camera's and the Whitehouse see's us doing something.
- Reaction score
- 2,516
- Points
- 1,090
I dont think theres much to be done about the design personnel. The yards have construction work for years ahead
Seaspan 15 yrs
Irving 25 yrs
Davie 10 yrs ?
What other ships could we use? Forgetting the construction and manning of them?
Some sort of sealift?
LPD/LHD?
Sub tender?
CMMC/CDC/Kingston replacement?
More AOR? But why not build more of the same?
Seaspan 15 yrs
Irving 25 yrs
Davie 10 yrs ?
What other ships could we use? Forgetting the construction and manning of them?
Some sort of sealift?
LPD/LHD?
Sub tender?
CMMC/CDC/Kingston replacement?
More AOR? But why not build more of the same?
- Reaction score
- 9,954
- Points
- 1,160
How do other design houses keep their teams together?
BMT. OMT. Hyundai. Navantia. Damen. Fincantieri etc.
Most vessels out there seem to conform to a limited number of design principles. There are few revolutionary hulls.
I can think of a couple recently
Splitting Waves and Hairs: Comparing X-Bow, Axe Bow, and More
Axe bow, X-bow; slim size, […]
www.dmsonline.us
It seems to me that most naval architects and marine engineers will spend most of their working lives like their landlubber versions working on delivering existing designs and project management.
- Reaction score
- 7,284
- Points
- 1,090
Oceanographic survey is a CCG job, and and also not a specialized ship anymore. You can have a UUV and offshore work ship do it no problems.
Czech_pivo
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 3,423
- Points
- 1,260
Having 12 subs, if we get a dozen, certainly makes sense to get a pair of sub rescue ships for each coast.
Fabius
Sr. Member
- Reaction score
- 1,532
- Points
- 810
Just a thought but just because a ship is designed doesn’t mean it has to be built immediately or perhaps at all.
A CDC vessel, a sub tender, a hospital ship, a C2 ship like the Blue Ridge Class, maybe a militarized AOP
, pick 2-3 and get the designers working.Keeps the skills alive and the designs might prove handy?
