Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Maybe they need to bring back the Rum ration and lower the drinking age to 18 for the USN, LOL.

To misquote Spock: That is illogical. You cannot bring back that which you have never had.

The US Navy never had the tradition of rum. Besides, I don't trust their sailors when they are sober, let alone if they were drunk.

 

[Czech_pivo]

To misquote Spock: That is illogical. You cannot bring back that which you have never had.

The US Navy never had the tradition of rum. Besides, I don't trust their sailors when they are sober, let alone if they were drunk.

True, my bad

 

[NavyShooter]

^^
I'll see if I can find the graphic of current USN carrier availability. That and their incompetence in getting a replacement for the OHPs is really starting to put a strain on resources. On the plus side, that means the Trump class BB should never see the light of day!

The issue at hand is not just their failure to effectively replace the OHPs, it's the subsequent retirement (ongoing - almost done) of their Ticos as well.

Theoretically, the DDG-1000 series would have been a suitable replacement for the Ticos, and if they'd built more than just 3 of them, they'd now be at the point where they'd probably have 8-12 of them in the water - enough to provide the VLS capacity for sustained engagements that seem to be the way forward.

The Burkes have been a steady success story, but they are overkill for some of the 'show the flag' missions that used to belong to the OHPs. The OHPs were also great to quickly flesh out a CBG.

With no Frigates left to speak of, and only 7 Ticos, the ABs have been stepping up, but the failure of the Constellation class, and the failure of the DDG-1000s means that their cupboards are pretty bare.

The "Trump Battleship" I think is a reaction to the need for a replacement for the Ticos, and the poor results of the DDG-1000s.

They need a bunch of VLS capacity that's capable of doing CBG defense, so fast, lots of cells, and AEGIS.

They also need a bunch of Frigates, with 'enough' VLS to be useful, but also helos and probably not AEGIS, but enough sensors to be useful as a fleet defense 'accessory' while still being capable of defending themselves in a dangerous space.

 

[Nvlgzr]

All I know is that, according to the US navy itself, the Roosevelt is on its way to relieve the Abraham Lincoln and is already listed as being on a 7 to 8 months deployment.

They are now staring from time periods that greatly exceed the normal 6 months maximum deployments of the past. I think there are people in Hegseth's department of defense that believe their own public relations: "A nuclear aircraft carrier can remain at sea indefinitely, as long as it is resupplied in food and aviation fuel".

Well, no! There is another limit, and an important one called human endurance. I can only imagine what such deployments will do for retention and recruiting.

Washington CSG has relieved Lincoln CSG

 

[Nvlgzr]

Lincoln CSG is preparing to leave SAN Diego to relieve Washington

 

[Maxman1]

The US Navy never had the tradition of rum.

Yes they did. They used rum at first, then switched to American whiskey. It was ended during the Civil War.

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/a/alcohol-in-the-navy.html

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Yes they did. They used rum at first, then switched to American whiskey. It was ended during the Civil War.

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/a/alcohol-in-the-navy.html

The source you quote only refers to "distilled spirit". It does not indicate that it was rum, nor that it switched to whiskey at some point. The 13 colonies did not produce sugar cane. They imported their sugar and molasses from the Caribbean at the time of independence. Since those were mostly under the control of England and the waters controlled by the Royal Navy, they likely switched to Whiskey from the start.

 

[Stoker]

Title: The Grog Tub on USS CONSTITUTION
Caption: Sailor holds ladle in front of the Grog Tub. In the early sailing days, ending in 1846, grog was served out daily to men in the crew. Grog was whisky or rum. Photo taken during cruise between July 1931 to June 1934. Presented by Commander Louis J. Gulliver, USN (Ret.), who was in command of CONSTITUTION during the cruise.
Description: resented by Commander Louis J. Gulliver, USN (Ret.), who was in command of CONSTITUTION during the cruise.
Catalog #: NH 2248

 

[DBNSG]

Title: The Grog Tub on USS CONSTITUTION
Caption: Sailor holds ladle in front of the Grog Tub. In the early sailing days, ending in 1846, grog was served out daily to men in the crew. Grog was whisky or rum. Photo taken during cruise between July 1931 to June 1934. Presented by Commander Louis J. Gulliver, USN (Ret.), who was in command of CONSTITUTION during the cruise.
Description: resented by Commander Louis J. Gulliver, USN (Ret.), who was in command of CONSTITUTION during the cruise.
Catalog #: NH 2248

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That's quite the single serving if that Ladle is headed for my Cup.

 

[Stoker]

Washington CSG has relieved Lincoln CSG

They're hitting Thailand next week for their first port visit in many months, wouldn't want to be shore patrol or brow staff for that visit.

 

[JMCanada]

Don't believe the Spanish glossy brochure. Just look at Australia's experience with Navantia. The spanish ships are like new build house from a sketchy contractor. No primer under the paint, and shortcuts everywhere.

Well, in Spain they say that the Aussies were not able to "read" the drawings... But I don't know anything, I was not there, just the rumours...

On the other side (from IA):
Navantia is formally contracted and authorized by the U.S. Navy to perform maintenance and repair on U.S. Navy destroyers forward‑deployed to Rota.

• Navantia has a long-standing relationship with the U.S. Navy for maintaining Arleigh Burke–class destroyers stationed at Rota.
• The U.S. Navy selected Navantia again in 2021 through a U.S. government tender to continue repair and maintenance of these destroyers, with a contract running until 2028 and valued up to €822.4 million.

 

[Nvlgzr]

They're hitting Thailand next week for their first port visit in many months, wouldn't want to be shore patrol or brow staff for that visit.

I feel bad for the crew. Thought they would’ve steamed straight back to San Diego.

 

[Czech_pivo]

They're hitting Thailand next week for their first port visit in many months, wouldn't want to be shore patrol or brow staff for that visit.

Lots of Thai Lady Boys are going to be busy, working overtime,

 

[Stoker]

I feel bad for the crew. Thought they would’ve steamed straight back to San Diego.

I would imagine there's a good reason for that.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Title: The Grog Tub on USS CONSTITUTION
Caption: Sailor holds ladle in front of the Grog Tub. In the early sailing days, ending in 1846, grog was served out daily to men in the crew. Grog was whisky or rum. Photo taken during cruise between July 1931 to June 1934. Presented by Commander Louis J. Gulliver, USN (Ret.), who was in command of CONSTITUTION during the cruise.
Description: resented by Commander Louis J. Gulliver, USN (Ret.), who was in command of CONSTITUTION during the cruise.
Catalog #: NH 2248

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Never knew Grog was a real thing. When I was a kid, my dad said he had to stop by the ‘grog shop’ (LCBO). I just thought he made up the word.

 

[RangerRay]

Never knew Grog was a real thing. When I was a kid, my dad said he had to stop by the ‘grog shop’ (LCBO). I just thought he made up the word.

Aussies use that word instead of “booze”.

 

[Maxman1]

The source you quote only refers to "distilled spirit". It does not indicate that it was rum, nor that it switched to whiskey at some point. The 13 colonies did not produce sugar cane. They imported their sugar and molasses from the Caribbean at the time of independence. Since those were mostly under the control of England and the waters controlled by the Royal Navy, they likely switched to Whiskey from the start.

They still traded with them after the revolution.

 

[Furniture]

I feel bad for the crew. Thought they would’ve steamed straight back to San Diego.

You dont dump people that have been that high tempo back into thw real world at home... Unless you want the USN to dominate the local news cycle for th3 first few weeks after return.

Just like we went to Cyprus after Afghanistan, the Americans are choosing to inflict the "release" on a resort town accustomed to that sort of thing.