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You mean the media and police can't name them... ::)

I am sure that the little birdies listen to and tell  all  ;D
 
Third one found but no name as of yet. He is 23 years old and I hope they make him wash down the monument with a tooth brush wearing a sign saying I'm a dumb a$$
 
A Channel Ottawa reports that all 3 are in custody and are in the process of being interviewed.

One from Montreal....the other 2 are from Ottawa

Charges pending....possible fines, or jail time.

Answers to poll.....73% yes  27% no

Wait out.....

Regards
 
The report I heard tonight said that two were juvies so could not named and the other was 23 but had turned himself in. I would suggest due to his turning himself in they are keeping name silent. Nice to see that he turned himself in, maybe this one is salvageable after all.
 
I think a public apology is the least we should expect. After all we all know how soft the system is and they will most likely get off with a slap on the wrist.

Atleast they can then be publically ridiculed as they deserve (and hopefully more)
 
Enough Talk! Time to go hunt some hippies. ...Be vewwy vewwy quiet...
 
Perhaps having a lineup of veterans urinating on them might be in order.....and get some pigeons to crap on their heads too dammit!

(Sorry, I'm still torqued from home renovating  ;) )
 
I wonder if this will be used in their Defence:

From Ottawa Citizen Columnist David Warren  (whole article at http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/ )

But while I'm opposed to peeing on the War Memorial, I hardly think it was an act of desecration to compare with the design on the reverse of the current ten-dollar bill. That shows the War Memorial stripped of its cannon, and soldiery. A couple of communist “peace doves” flutter by ("make love not war"). A pert young female "peacekeeper" wields a pair of binoculars against a non-existent enemy; and Canadian manhood is represented by a stooped old veteran in a beret, supported by two children. The monument is falsely depicted as being guarded (by two androids). These misrepresentations are, in their aggregate effect, much worse than a little drunken incontinence. But still not treason.
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(Seems the questions about the scene depicted on the $10 bill has come up again.)
 
Part of an Editorial in the Edmonton Sun:

These are not just the antics of a few drunken yahoos. It's an insult and a direct attack on the integrity and dedication of the men and women in uniform in Afghanistan and anywhere else in the world or at home where Canadians are willing to lay down their lives keeping our country strong and free. The evidence in the photos is compelling. And punishment for those caught in this deeply offensive act must, upon conviction, go well beyond a slap-on-the-wrist fine or community service.

For once in this country let justice be done.

Full Editorial can be read here  http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/Commentary/2006/07/06/1670518.html

 
I don't have much to say other than I can't imagine how my grandfather,a WWII Navy vet, who could not even talk about WWII because of what he went through would feel if he saw what happened here. I am glad he didn't. (or any one of my many relatives who served during WWI or II for that matter). I hope they get more than a slap on the wrist.  Truly disgusting.

 
MikeG said:
I don't have much to say other than I can't imagine how my grandfather,a WWII Navy vet, who could not even talk about WWII because of what he went through would feel if he saw what happened here. I am glad he didn't. (or any one of my many relatives who served during WWI or II for that matter). I hope they get more than a slap on the wrist.  Truly disgusting.
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I'm with you on that one, MikeG.
If they only get a slap on the wrist, there are going to be some very angry people in this country.
 
It's Interesting to read George Wallace's citation of Mr Warren's article.

I think the ten-dollar bill is an interesting insight into the problem. We have a public in Canada that is not educated on what our country is. Indeed we seem to sanitize out things that seem anachronous, without realizing what we have done. Why remove the figures from the War Monument on the $10? Are they too warlike? Who could think such a thing? And how could they think such a thing?

Our system (and I am going to try to be careful here not to blame Liberal Politicians, Educators or graphic artists at the Bank of Canada) has clearly lost the point somewhere.

The allusion to the National War Monument and the $10 in Mr Warren's article becomes a broader one.

Let's look at the War Monument, from Veteran's Affairs Canada I have pulled some quotes, (my italics, all)

In 1925, a world-wide competition was held to choose a design for a national commemorative war monument to be erected in the capital of Canada. It was to be "expressive of the feelings of the Canadian people as a whole, to the memory of those who participated in the Great War and lost their lives in the service of humanity". The competition regulations further stipulated that the vision which the government wished to keep alive was "the spirit of heroism, the spirit of self-sacrifice, the spirit of all that is noble and great that was exemplified in the lives of those sacrificed in the Great War, and the services rendered by the men and women who went overseas".
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VAC-ACC.CA

And Further..

Rising 21 metres from its base...surmounted by emblematic bronze figures of Peace and Freedom. (sic) Shown advancing through the archway are 22 bronze figures symbolic of the "Great Response" ...In the faces of the marching figures there is character and purpose, sincerity and good intent. The figures are not shown in fighting attitudes, but rather express movement and the enthusiasm and eagerness of the people.

Leading the way are infantrymen, the mainstay of the army. On the left is a Lewis gunner, on the right a kilted soldier with a Vickers machine gun. They are followed by a pilot in full flying kit and an air mechanic. A cavalryman emerges from the arch, and at his side is a mounted artilleryman. There is a field artillery piece, an 18-pounder in the rear. A sailor marches on the pilot's left. Two riflemen press through the arch, and behind them are the men and women of the support services including nursing sisters, a stretcher bearer and a lumberman with his cant hook
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So I guess, no matter no matter how stoned these reveller guys were, Shouldn't we be asking ourselves, how did such a great monument, not 100 years old, go from such a lofty image of a nation to being a communal pee-spot?? Like, how did we end up raising people like this? Perhaps by not teaching them about national symbols? It's a pity when something that was designed to be an inclusive monument, conceived to illustrate principles that Canadians today would all support, ends up on a banknote in a 'PC' sanitized form, and on an independence day celebration as a urinal eh?

 
Some of you keep asking if we should set up a guard for all War memorial's around the country..but I think your missing one point. This is a mans Grave. Not just a tank on a cement pad!
 
Bobbyoreo said:
Some of you keep asking if we should set up a guard for all War memorial's around the country..but I think your missing one point. This is a mans Grave. Not just a tank on a cement pad!
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Agreed!

Punish them the same way as if they had urinated on a headstone of a head of state - do you think that the OPS would be "backing away from criminal charges" if these clowns were photographed peeing on Trudeau's grave? How about Pearson or Laurier?

 
Today's Bleeding Hearts would lean more towards Trudeau, than Pearson of long forgotten Laurier, (although he has a 'minority' factor that would have him trump Pearson.) in their decision on a 'just' punishment.  Trudeau's mystic still holds a lot of power; heck his former wife beat an Impaired Charge, probably on reputation alone, and if not on the high price lawyers........did I say somewhere that they should be included in the deal for cremation?  ;D
 
Make them write an after action report giving 3 points to sustain and 3 to improve :)
(inside joke)

I'm surprisingly not that pissed off. A bunch of morons doing what morons do best. I wouldn't give them or the anti-military crowd the satisfaction of letting the get a rise out of me.

They could do 1000 times worse than piss on the war memorial and they will never even approach taking away from the honour dignity or memory of what our vets did for Canada democracy and the free world.  Bunch of kids being assholes thats all. I can understand how insulting it is to Canadians and our vets but who are these guys really? Nobodies.

Punish them by washing the monument? Hell no, they should be banned from going near it in my opinion. They don't deserve to walk on that hallowed ground. Imagine your kids finding out your banned from going near war memorials? Have fun explaining that.

Best punishment for them being such morons is already going to happen. Their faces hit TV and the net, their names are going to hit the net sooner or later.  (Hey i know that guy!)  Every person who recognizes them are going to say HEY! Your that moron!  I wouldn't underestimate the effect being a national asshole can have on someone.
 
Okay,  First the 10 dollar bill  http://www.craigmarlatt.com/canada/images&downloads/downloads_misc_currency.html  I disagree with the interpretation, but I have to agree it is accurate.  I Personally liked it, but now that I look again I completely understand where one could find fault with it.

I remember when the news story first came out,  I say their faces,  now they've been blurred out. (around the same time two of them were charged)  I don't like the idea that their faces will be out there,  sitting ducks for the freak elements to deal with.  They did a horrible thing,  but that doesn't mean that we should abandon them to the worst among us. We are still a country of laws....

Speaking of laws,  indecent exposure,  desecrating a grave site,  public drunkenness, disturbing the peace.... *hummm* What kind of list could we make up...  (I'm sorry but I forget where in Common law it specifies what is a desecration of a gravesite and what specifically can be done about it)  I remember English common law is fairly lax in its punishments. (Now if we wanted to get Shir-ea law on their butts... I think we could execute them and their families... or even make them watch us execute their families then execute them...but I think we all know what kind of country we'd have then.)  (I bring that up only to point out that we shouldn't let our emotions run away with us,  justice should be dealt with a firm but fair hand,  now enough talk of vengeance)  :-D
 
Zell_Dietrich said:
I don't like the idea that their faces will be out there,  sitting ducks for the freak elements to deal with.  They did a horrible thing,  but that doesn't mean that we should abandon them to the worst among us. We are still a country of laws... (I bring that up only to point out that we shouldn't let our emotions run away with us,  justice should be dealt with a firm but fair hand,  now enough talk of vengeance)
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your high horse called, he asked you to get off him.
What are you expecting? Lynch mobs in the streets bearing torches and howling for blood? Give your head a shake. They were stupid on a grand scale and deserve their infamy and ridicule. Which is about all they'll receive.

If people want to vent their spleen on these boards, they're more than welcome to.
 
 
They were stupid on a grand scale and deserve their infamy and ridicule. Which is about all they'll receive.
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Yup!

They don't have a problem pissing in a public place waving for a camera, enjoy the fame that comes with it.
 
Zell_Dietrich said:
I remember when the news story first came out,  I say their faces,  now they've been blurred out. (around the same time two of them were charged)  I don't like the idea that their faces will be out there,  sitting ducks for the freak elements to deal with.  They did a horrible thing,  but that doesn't mean that we should abandon them to the worst among us. We are still a country of laws....
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The oldest came forward of his own accord; despite my comments about floating in the Rideau Canal, if the three of them make a genuine apology, that should be the end of it. It is not inconveivable they had no idea how offensive their actions were; nonetheless ignorance of the law (or our cultural touchstones) is no excuse.

We shall see if a public apology is forthcoming before I feel much sorry for them. If they accept their responsibility then I think that will satisfy most of us.
 
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