CFB Gagetown now called 5th Canadian Div Support Base

[Brad Sallows]

Hm.  "Support groups" were one of the less successful variations the Brits played with in North Africa.  Hope the name isn't cursed.

 

[Old EO Tech]

For Toronto I've heard and received e-mails with it being called Garrison Toronto now.

Yes we like inventing multiple names for places, you can refer to the Base in Edmonton as Garrison Edmonton, Steele Barracks, CFB Edmonton, and now 3 CDSB :-/  Though you can argue that they are all slightly different in focus...

Jon

 

[pbi]

Good Lord. What a pointless load of rubbish.

I hear the scraping of deck chairs being moved about.....

And all this improves what, again?

 

[George Wallace]

An ego here or there.

 

[dapaterson]

I'm sure this is supported by the sign painters' union.

 

[pbi]

I'm sure this is supported by the sign painters' union.

:goodpost:

 

[McG]

Good Lord. What a pointless load of rubbish.

I hear the scraping of deck chairs being moved about.....

And all this improves what, again?

The "Division" part of the name change is a topic for another thread.  The move to the area support base is a structural change.  Now, local commanders will not have a Base Commander to fix their problems.  Instead, all the base service providers will report through separate stovepipes to COs in the area "super" / support base.

 

[cupper]

If you cannot understand it, you won't be able to reveal anything under interrogation.

Sounds simple enough. :nod:

 

[Jarnhamar]

If you cannot understand it, you won't be able to reveal anything under interrogation.

Sounds simple enough. :nod:

That's exactly why I barely pay attention in orders, especially "highers intent" 

 

[Old EO Tech]

The "Division" part of the name change is a topic for another thread.  The move to the area support base is a structural change.  Now, local commanders will not have a Base Commander to fix their problems.  Instead, all the base service providers will report through separate stovepipes to COs in the area "super" / support base.

Yes I'm sure this is not 100% an easy transition, I haven't spoke with my friends at "Base Maint" in Wainwright yet.  But I see by their email that they are falling officially under 3 CDSB Tech Services....vice Maint, probably because 3 CDSB doesn't have anything to do with Maint/LEMS in Edmonton as that is a function of Maint Coy 1 Svc Bn. 

However they still are a functioning Coy level org with a CSM and a Maj OC.  Which leaves the question of how in practice is having an OC/CSM of Tech Svc(ie Supply/Transport/Admin etc) and an CSM/OC of Maint is working inside of one "Tech Services" banner and CoC to 3CDSB Edmonton....

Jon

 

[McG]

3 CDSB is a formation with a commander.  Tech services is a unit - it should have a CO and not an OC.

 

[George Wallace]

3 CDSB is a formation with a commander.  Tech services is a unit - it should have a CO and not an OC.

That doesn't mean that the CO must be higher than a Major or Capt though.

 

[McG]

The old base Comd positions were used to make the new CDSB/ASB CO positions.  So, the LCol slots all move to the super bases and COs of tech services, admin services and Engr services should all be LCols.

 

[Infanteer]

I think Base Operations was the fourth one.  Ops, Tech Services, Adm Services and Engr Services.

 

[Old EO Tech]

I think Base Operations was the fourth one.  Ops, Tech Services, Adm Services and Engr Services.

Yes and I believe that the OC of Ops in a satellite base acts as the local "Base Comd/Snr Maj" as it would have been the former DCO position, that way local minor issues can be solved without engaging any of the LCol's on the super base.  And chair all the meetings required to run a base no matter what you call it :-/  AFAIK, the BRSM/CWO at least in WX, still exists as well...now in Ops I would assume.

 

[McG]

NDA and QR&O give several specific authorities to Base Commanders and no mention of ability to delegate.  Who now exercises this authority on locations sataliete to the Div Sp Base where there no-longer is a true BComd?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Exactly.  Certain financial and disciplinary functions can only be performed by a B Comd.  How is that going to work?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Getting back to the topic of the thread.

I'll continue to call it the 'G spot'.

 

[Ostrozac]

NDA and QR&O give several specific authorities to Base Commanders and no mention of ability to delegate.  Who now exercises this authority on locations sataliete to the Div Sp Base where there no-longer is a true BComd?

Do you have examples?

The National Defence Act does not mention the concept of a Base or a Base Commander.

QR&O seem to use the term "base, unit or element" a lot, but I'm not tracking any authorities that are specifically held only by a base commander.

 

[Old EO Tech]

Do you have examples?

The National Defence Act does not mention the concept of a Base or a Base Commander.

QR&O seem to use the term "base, unit or element" a lot, but I'm not tracking any authorities that are specifically held only by a base commander.

I believe the term is Commanding Officer under the NDA, which is what a Base Commander is functioning as for the satellite base, so someone has carry out this function, it would be unnecessarily complicated if the BComd/CO of the superbase had to make all these decisions/sign all the papers for the satellite bases because they lacked a "CO" locally.