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CH-148 Cyclone Progress

Ha! Then we were probably aboard at the same time, albeit for a few days. I was between my 3rd and 4th years of RMC and they sent me and 7 other snotties to Halifax for the summer; 4 of us on TOR and 4 on ATH. We ended up getting pawned around the fleet to whichever ships were sailing, but our "home base" was TOR between those sails. I think we arrived early June? Sailed on STJ, IRO, and all TOR sails that summer.

I think one of my best friends did that deployment to TG 1-10 with you; stoker from TOR. Blanchard? He was there for the Africa trip and the Volcano. I don't remember the shit boat story, but he had glowing things to say about your CO.

I seem to remember a bunch of you folks on board around that time. Small world eh ?

I do remember Blanchard.

The shit boat, was a ghost vessel we found adrift in the Mediterranean. It wasn't registered and was said to have been scrapped. It had broken down and was full, and I mean full to the gunnels, with Iraqis. The decks were inches thick with fecal matter and other waste and our NBP stayed onboard that boat for a few days (3 ?) waiting for the USN to show up and take over. To this day I don't know what happened that ship and those people.

Cdr Virgin is the best man I have ever worked for, hands down. If he called me now and said lets go, I wouldn't hesitate.
 
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That sounds about right to me. I would have been nearing the end of time on TOR.



I feel like that sailor was from TOR too no ? I don't remember much of the details around that one.
I'm not too clear, would have guessed PRE, but fuzzy on the details. Was there on ATH, along with PRE and a CPF (guess TOR) in a mini TG. From what I vaguely remember, he was walking back on his own and 4 or 5 of them jumped him for no really good reason on I think one of the first nights alongside. I don't think they ever caught the person, but also vaguely remember that the skipper on the UK ship was pretty pissed and imposed some group punishment with very restricted shore leave and I think very early curfews.
 
There's always this option to replace the Cyclone ;)


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I think the RCN (and the Canadian Army) are not large enough to take on the management of airworthiness. The Minister of Defence is the responsible Minister for airworthiness of military aircraft, and has directed the CDS to designate the C Air Force as the Airworthiness Authority. The operation airworthiness authority is the Comd 1 Canadian Air Division, the technical airworthiness authority is DGAEPM, and the investigative authority Director of Flight safety. I'd leave all that alone, it works (mostly).
Agree 100% with this.


I'd focus on DAR (Directorate of Air Requirments), who is the sponsor for all major air projects and sets requirements (it's equivalents are DMR and DLR). I'd move DAR Maritime (embarked) aviation to DMR, and DAR (Tac Hel) to DLR, with all the associated funding. That way the environmental commanders get to decide what they need, not the RCAF.
Does the Navy institutionally have enough EQ to actually care about HS and VP? (I use those terms deliberately).

Laterally, the Institutional Army hasn’t stopped caring about itself and only itself since the end of the First Cold War. I would perhaps consider it reformed enough to be entrusted with supporting tactical aviation once it sorts out light forces, mortars and the fundamental Reg-Reserve duality of the Army…

I'd also formally move maritime air doctrine to CFMWC, and tac hel doctrine to the land equivalent.
TH has a staff officer in Army doctrine lines already and invests more horsepower on tactical and operational doctrine development and currency than like the other RCAF communities combined (semi-bombastic, yes, but not effectively untrue).

Problem is, even though the RCAF doesn't give a rats ass about embarked aviation and doctrine, they would fight tough and nail to not give up control and funding...
12 Wing, as representing MH/HS, would need to get itself back in the game, like it was when it peaked with Angus Watt as CAS. More power and influence is derived from playing the game internally within the RCAF than ‘contracting’ an air community’s proponency to another element. Stay strong as a community that interacts regularly with other Air Force elements (including NORAD) and you can influence the force…
 
Agree 100% with this.



Does the Navy institutionally have enough EQ to actually care about HS and VP? (I use those terms deliberately).

Laterally, the Institutional Army hasn’t stopped caring about itself and only itself since the end of the First Cold War. I would perhaps consider it reformed enough to be entrusted with supporting tactical aviation once it sorts out light forces, mortars and the fundamental Reg-Reserve duality of the Army…


TH has a staff officer in Army doctrine lines already and invests more horsepower on tactical and operational doctrine development and currency than like the other RCAF communities combined (semi-bombastic, yes, but not effectively untrue).


12 Wing, as representing MH/HS, would need to get itself back in the game, like it was when it peaked with Angus Watt as CAS. More power and influence is derived from playing the game internally within the RCAF than ‘contracting’ an air community’s proponency to another element. Stay strong as a community that interacts regularly with other Air Force elements (including NORAD) and you can influence the force…


So, if the Army's Light Forces became a sine qua non for the US Northern Command, via NORAD, along with maritime approaches surveillance, then the RCAF would be more inclined to adjust its thinking?

How about airfield security and IAMD?
 
Back when I did my napkin military, I cut TH, and MH, as well as larger UAS into it's own element.
Mainly because while it would be nice if the RCN and CA could be trusted to be adult with the toys the RCAF has for them, they clearly have shown they cannot, and will divert or abandon funding of those assets to fill "Core" assets, much like the Fighter pilot mafia likes to do for the Light Blue Air Force.

I tend to believe the TH and MH communities have a lot more in common with each other than the other aspects of the RCAF, and while not large enough on their own to fund or manage certain required air functions, together and with the growing UAS requirements, that would be a useful unique part of the CAF.

Especially if SAR can be transferred to the CCG, then you are only looking at aviation aspects in CANSOF being "separate" and given the fleet size there, and the rotation of personnel - I don't think there would be a great deal of friction (maybe I am wrong @Good2Golf ?)
 
RCAF Marine Search and Rescue was transferred to the then new CCG , boats, bases and personal all in one go. Not sure how you train SAR techs, and then what do you do with the fixed wing SAR?
 
@KevinB FWIW the RCN also helps everyone else, including SOF, manage their small boats. Seems kind of obvious, but sometimes you need to do pesky things like maintenance and repairs to keep them serviceable, regardless of how they get purchased.
 
RCAF Marine Search and Rescue was transferred to the then new CCG , boats, bases and personal all in one go. Not sure how you train SAR techs, and then what do you do with the fixed wing SAR?
Same thing. The USCG manages fixed wing as well as rotary wing, and a zillion other things as well as a crazy amount of training pipelines.
 
417, 439 and 444 Combat Support Squadrons

413, 424, 435 and 442 Transport and Rescue Squadrons

103 SAR Squadron

440 Transport Squadron

435 is a tanker squadron.

Beyond that all the rest of them paint their aircraft yellow.

Them plus the Rangers to the Coast Guard?
 
Same thing. The USCG manages fixed wing as well as rotary wing, and a zillion other things as well as a crazy amount of training pipelines.
You then divide up the herc pilots and create two separate training schemes for them , the kingfishers and the Cormorants. Right now the training scheme is somewhat intermingled. Plus CCG has never owned aircraft and leases them and crews from TC.
 
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