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Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail is a report on a wide ranging interviews with China's ambassador to Canada:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/china-calls-for-free-trade-deal-with-canada-within-a-decade/article4561149/
China calls for free-trade deal with Canada within a decade

CAMPBELL CLARK
OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail

Published Saturday, Sep. 22 2012

Canada and China should move quickly toward a free-trade agreement, Beijing’s ambassador has urged, insisting it would provide a longer-term solution to questions about two-way investment sparked by the $15-billion Chinese takeover bid for Alberta oil firm Nexen Inc.

“Business is business,” Ambassador Zhang Junsai said on Friday, adding that Ottawa should decide whether to approve the takeover of Nexen by China’s state-owned oil giant CNOOC Ltd. based on its business benefits alone, not criticisms of China’s rights record, or domestic politics.

In an exclusive interview with The Globe and Mail at his Ottawa residence, Mr. Zhang, speaking in a forthright manner rare for a Chinese envoy, said that if Canada wants new broad, investment rules and guarantees that its companies will get greater access to investment and markets in China, it should strike a wide-ranging, “overall” free-trade agreement with Beijing.

“That’s why we need to talk with the Canadian side about an FTA. It’s time to open each other’s markets,” Mr. Zhang said. “It’s high time to do the exploratory work on the possibility of a free-trade agreement. Under a free-trade agreement, there will be more and more trade and investment.”

The idea has been floated as an eventual possibility by some business leaders and whispered lately within Stephen Harper’s Conservative government.

But for the first time, China’s representative is signalling a deal should be a near-term goal, covering investment, agriculture, manufacturing, and other areas – and work should start soon. Negotiations might take a few years, but less than a decade, Mr. Zhang said: “When we reach a common consensus, it’s easy.”

A full free-trade agreement with China would be a potential breakthrough in efforts to expand lagging trade with Asia, which is seen as crucial to Canada’s future economic growth. Some question whether real free trade is possible with China’s state-controlled economy. But for Mr. Harper, who has made economic ties with Asia and China a priority, it is a tantalizing offer.

The timing is no coincidence. The CNOOC bid for Nexen, which would be the first outright takeover of a substantial player in the energy sector, is a test of Canada-China relations. Rejecting it could cause the chill of earlier years to return. But Mr. Harper also must deal with domestic political qualms as some Canadians raise concerns about China’s rights record, its intentions, and questions from the business community about whether it would have equal access to China’s economy.

By suggesting a free-trade agreement, China is also offering the prospect of negotiated rules for future dealings, and expanded overall trade.

But Mr. Zhang warned against letting domestic politics dictate the Nexen decision: “Business is business. It should not be politicized,” he said. “If we politicize all this, then we can’t do business.”

And although the ambassador declined to comment explicitly on how Beijing would respond if the government rejects the Nexen bid, he said relations with Canada have warmed in the past three years, and that’s why Chinese companies want to do business. He said the relationship has developed rapidly since Mr. Harper made his first visit to China in 2009 and agreed with Chinese President Hu Jintao to start a “strategic partnership.”

“We should have solid ground for this development,” he said.

Mr. Zhang came to Canada less than a year ago from a posting as ambassador to Australia, where Chinese companies have invested heavily, sparking similar controversy. In the extensive interview, he made it clear his main mandate is to expand trade and investment – and it was apparent he is a new type of envoy.

Partly educated at Tufts University in Massachusetts, and previously posted mostly in Australia and New Zealand, Mr. Zhang, 59, speaks English without interpreters or dense diplomatic metaphors. He’s pithy, even direct, and at ease with controversial topics and Western journalists.

He argued that Canadians’ suspicions are misguided.

“We are not coming to control your resources,” he declared, unprompted. China’s investment amounts to only 2 per cent of the foreign investment in Canada, he noted. And he also dismissed the allegation that Beijing plans to reserve Canadian oil and gas for shipment to Chinese customers – noting there are no pipelines to the West Coast yet capable of carrying enough to Asia.

But the Nexen bid has raised other objections, including the fact that Canadian companies cannot launch similar takeovers in China.

Mr. Zhang, however, cited a long list of Canadian companies doing business in China – Manulife, Scotiabank, Bombardier, Bank of Montreal, and Eldorado Gold Corp. – noting that some went to China in the early 1980s, long before Chinese companies came here. He said 12,000 Canadian companies are in China now. If Canada wants new rules for investment, they should be negotiated in a free-trade agreement, he added.

That would likely cause political controversy, in part because some argue China’s human rights record is an obstacle, and should prevent approval of takeovers like CNOOC’s bid for Nexen. Mr. Zhang’s response: that China is trying to improve rights, but also has 1.3 billion people, and faces challenges on a massive scale to educate people and free hundreds of millons from poverty.

“It’s different countries,” he said. “Give us a break. You know? Let us develop. We’ve done no harm to your country. We see all this improvement. You should recognize improvement and development.”

Nexen, and business, should not be overwhelmed by such issues, he argued: “Be practical. It’s really the benefits that matter. But I stress: two-way benefits. Not one-way to China.”


Short term, for China, is 10 years, that's two election cycles for Canada ... nearly an eternity.

It is pretty clear, to me, that Ambassador Zhang is right: a comprehensive free trade deal is the best course open, but I believe in free trade as a matter of principle. The advantages of free trade are a lot less clear to a majority of Canadians, however, but, assuming Prime Minister Harper and his most senior officials share my views (and I think they do, especially the very senior civil servants) then now is the time to start laying the foundations: in talks with China and, more importantly, in propagating the advantages of free trade to Canadians.

The main Chinese focus is on the Nexen deal because it is shaping up to be a major China/US flashpoint. Most opposition to the Nexen deal is organized and funded by US interests, including official US interests.
 
All the more reason to get aboard the TPP; then we have a pre existing framework for free trade with China, India, Korea (South and in the future unified) and to revise any existing free trade deals we currently have.
 
Actually the TPP may be a dead end.

China is trying ~ I'm not sure if it will succeed ~ to separate Japan and South Korea from the TPP, which China sees as having too much America, and enticing them into a tripartite free trade area. Rumours in some parts of the Asian media are that both Japan and SK are very interested. The TPP will still go ahead and I agree that Canada should join (and I agree our joining will mean the end of "supply management" for some agricultural sectors which I think is a very good thing for 99.9% of Canadians) but we ought not to expect miracles.

Perhaps the Chinese are also trying to entice us (and Australia? and New Zealand?) into their free trade area and, de facto lessen America's "hold" on us all.
 
With China and Japan at loggerheads lately, how likely is that?
 
GAP said:
With China and Japan at loggerheads lately, how likely is that?


China is allowing all these demonstrations and so on to distract public attention from slower growth ~ down to a guesstimated 7% this year, which is below the 8% level which some Chinese officials told me is the level required to pretty much guarantee the all important social harmony on which the Party depends for popular support.

I repeat: the Chinese, unlike us, think in the mid and long terms ~ the main long term goal is economic prosperity which provides power (hard and soft) and social harmony. A China-Japan-South Korea free trade area will go a long way towards guaranteeing the kind of stable economic prosperity the Chinese want. They also want those islands but they are willing to buy the output rather than fight for it. If they can stare down the Japanese, Malaysians and Filipinos and get ownership then so much the better but if, as with Australian, Canadian and Siberian resources, they have to pay for them then that will be OK ~ just so long as they get them.
 
And now that the "heavy lifting" is done the Chinese move, gingerly, towards commercial opportunities in Afghanistan according to this an article in the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinese-official-makes-low-key-afghan-visit-as-beijing-jockeys-for-influence-in-region/article4561784/
Beijing has stepped up diplomacy with Afghanistan in recent months as the 2014 deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. and NATO troops approaches.

China, which shares a 76-kilometre border with Afghanistan’s far northeast, has already secured major oil and copper mining concessions in Afghanistan, which is believed to have more than $1-trillion worth of minerals.

But it is not all commercial, as the article says, "Mr. Zhou, ranked ninth in China’s ruling Communist Party hierarchy, is China’s top security official and oversees a crackdown on religious extremism, terrorism and separatism in his nation’s Muslim-populated Xinjiang region, which borders Central Asia and Afghanistan." It is Xinjiang, not copper which preoccupies China.

China has some commercial history in post Taliban Afghanistan; Chinese companies were (amongst) the first to install and operate large scale fibre optic services there and Chinese tech companies, like Huawei, are major players in Afghanistan.
 
Reports are surfacing (South China Morning Post) that senior Chinese officials are heading to Japan for talks aimed at defusing the current tensions.

My guess: the public anger and demonstrations have done what the Chinese wanted and now they want people off the streets. Good relations with Japan are far, far more important than some little islands ~ BUT we must understand that the always chauvinistic Chinese people do feel strongly about their historic territorial claims; these demonstrations are not 'staged,' even though they are 'facilitated' by the government; the anger is real. Plus, I think, the men in Zhongnanhai (the walled compound next to the Forbidden City in which China's 'State Council works') are getting a bit nervous about people expressing their anger in public; it's all well and good to express anger at Japan, it is always a convenient whipping buy, but what if they get angry at their own Government?
 
But there is also this from the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/as-tensions-grow-over-island-dispute-chinese-navy-receives-first-aircraft-carrier/article4561868/?cmpid=rss1&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
As tensions grow over island dispute, Chinese navy receives first aircraft carrier

TOKYO — The Associated Press

Published Sunday, Sep. 23 2012

China’s first aircraft carrier was handed over Sunday to the navy of the People’s Liberation Army, state press said, amid rising tensions over disputed waters in the East and South China Seas.

The handover ceremony of the 300-metre ship, a former Soviet carrier called the Varyag, took place in northeast China’s port of Dalian after a lengthy refitting by a Chinese shipbuilder, the Global Times reported.
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But numerous sea trials of the aircraft carrier - currently only known as “Number 16” - since August, 2011 were met with concern from regional powers including Japan and the United States, which called on Beijing to explain why it needed an aircraft carrier.
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So, the Chinese have yet another lever ...
 
The 'new' Chinese carrier:

carrierreuters1e.jpg

China's first aircraft carrier, which was renovated from an old aircraft carrier
that China bought from Ukraine in 1998, is seen docked at Dalian Port, in
Dalian, Liaoning province Sept 22, 2012.
PHOTO: REUTERS
Photo courtesy The Sunday Straits Times
 
And, according to a report in the Globe and Mail we will be helping to power those shipyards: Canada gears up for China uranium exports

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/asian-pacific-business/canada-gears-up-for-china-uranium-exports/article4560206/
Canada’s vision to ship large quantities of oil and natural gas to China will be preceded by another key energy export: uranium.

Shipments of Canadian uranium concentrate are expected to arrive on Chinese shores within a year under a new agreement, once Parliament ratifies a new protocol for trade, says Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall.

“I just don’t see a lot of roadblocks” to an arrangement that is expected to open the door to some $3-billion in sales over the next decade, possibly starting as soon as six months from now, Mr. Wall said in an interview in Beijing this week. “It’s very significant.”

Saskatchewan-based uranium miner Cameco Corp. joined a major Canadian trade delegation here this month, encouraged by a supplementary protocol to the Canada-China Nuclear Co-operation Agreement negotiated earlier this year by Prime Minister Stephen Harper and signed by Foreign Minister John Baird this summer. The agreement will govern exports of uranium, used to fuel nuclear reactors.

China has 14 reactors now on line, 26 more under construction and several dozen more believed to be in the planning stages, part of its drive to move away from polluting fossil fuels in supplying its energy-hungry industries and population of 1.3 billion.

The country now imports most of its uranium from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Namibia and Australia, and has faced difficulties in securing supply, making the Canadian market that much more important.
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More on link
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Actually the TPP may be a dead end.

China is trying ~ I'm not sure if it will succeed ~ to separate Japan and South Korea from the TPP, which China sees as having too much America, and enticing them into a tripartite free trade area. Rumours in some parts of the Asian media are that both Japan and SK are very interested. The TPP will still go ahead and I agree that Canada should join (and I agree our joining will mean the end of "supply management" for some agricultural sectors which I think is a very good thing for 99.9% of Canadians) but we ought not to expect miracles.

Perhaps the Chinese are also trying to entice us (and Australia? and New Zealand?) into their free trade area and, de facto lessen America's "hold" on us all.


More, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Economist, on why the TPP has problems:

My emphasis added.
http://www.economist.com/node/21563292?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/partnersandrivals
Banyan
Partners and rivals
Another ambitious trade agreement gets bogged down

Sep 22nd 2012

DEADLINES are to trade negotiators what chastity and continence were to St Augustine: distant aspirations rather than binding obligations. No surprise then that the target of completing the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) this year will be missed. The 14th round of talks among nine states negotiating this “21st-century” regional trade agreement ended on September 15th. The next, to be held in New Zealand in December, and joined by two new members, Mexico and Canada, will not be the last.

This is a shame. The world economy could do with the boost that a big trade agreement would bring. A global deal, under the Doha round, is not in prospect. The TPP is a regional one that the Obama administration inherited from its predecessor and took on with gusto—though it has not yet sought “fast-track” negotiating authority from Congress. American business vests great hope in it, partly as a way of fighting Chinese competition. Barack Obama this week responded to the widespread American perception of Chinese trade cheating by announcing a WTO case over alleged subsidies in the car-parts industry.

Many other Asian regional agreements are mooted but none has reached the TPP’s nitty-gritty stage, where hundreds of officials plough through 29 dense chapters while anti-globalisation protesters harangue them for plotting a “secret corporate coup”. It is the only trade show of any size still on the road.

The TPP groups some of the 21 members of the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation (APEC) forum, which held its annual summit in Vladivostok earlier this month. In two decades APEC has not made much progress towards its goal of a free-trade area covering half of global commerce. This year the leaders reached agreement to cut tariffs on 54 categories of goods, such as solar cells, that are seen as environmentally friendly. This is more than the WTO has managed in a decade, but hardly seems a huge breakthrough, and is unenforceable. APEC is an exercise in “concerted unilateralism”, not a strand in the tangled noodle-bowl of bilateral and regional free-trade agreements.

Launched by Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore, the TPP is now led by America, and faces intense suspicion as a security alliance disguised as a trade negotiation. On this analysis, the TPP is part of the Obama administration’s “rebalancing” towards Asia, to counter the rise of China. China Daily, an official newspaper, carried a commentary noting the view that America “is driving the TPP with the strategic objective of marginalising China.” American officials insist that, on the contrary, they would welcome China into the partnership. But provisions intended to prevent state-owned enterprises (SOEs) from having unfair advantages would make its membership difficult.

Measures directed at SOEs are among the “high-quality” aspects of the TPP that make it both so ambitious and hence so hard to achieve. Vietnam, for example, is in the TPP talks, but also has a huge state sector, which is in some trouble. Optimists recall China in the 1990s, when membership of the WTO was seen by some as a way of pushing through domestic reform, and hope Vietnam will take a similar view. But this seems wildly optimistic.

Other TPP provisions covering labour, the environment, the protection of intellectual property, IT services and even rules preventing governments from blocking websites for arbitrary reasons, would be difficult for a number of countries. So are good old-fashioned protectionist provisions such as one of the rules of origin in the apparel trade designed to ensure that, to avoid punitive American tariffs, low-cost garment-makers have to buy American yarn rather than non-TPP Chinese stuff.

For a poor country such as Vietnam, or a tiny one such as Brunei, TPP negotiations place a huge strain on government capacity. With Canada and Mexico joining, and Australia already in, the group can no longer be portrayed as an American shark stalking a hapless shoal of minnows. But it would look far more imposing if Japan—Asia’s second-largest economy—were to sign on. Japanese politics precludes that for now. Nor has East Asia’s next-biggest economy, South Korea, yet joined up. Indonesia is more interested in pursuing another incipient trade pact, involving China and the Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN).

Rivalry from this “Asian” group is more sand in the TPP’s gears. It would bring together all ten members of ASEAN, plus South Korea, Japan and China (which are discussing a tripartite pact of their own), as well as, perhaps, Australia, India and New Zealand. Being “lower-quality”, it presents governments with fewer political problems at home. But the global economic benefits could be even greater, since many of the countries involved have high trade barriers, whereas much TPP trade is already covered by “high-quality” agreements (such as NAFTA).

The planned ASEAN-centred block is not, strictly speaking, in competition with the TPP, as their membership overlaps (Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam, etc). Its prospects look dim at the moment, if only because the three big North-East Asian economies—China, Japan and South Korea—seem more likely to go to war with each other than to make historic trade breakthroughs.

Dreamland

However, the two routes to Asian trade liberalisation are ever more widely seen as yet another facet of Sino-American rivalry. In the unlikely scenario where both succeeded, the dream is that America and China, the world’s two biggest economies, finding themselves at a disadvantage in the other’s market, would have to reach a consolidated agreement—on, hope the TPP’s promoters, their 21st-century terms.

This ideal outcome is far beyond today’s horizons. In the shorter term, China will continue to fear that one motive behind the TPP is America’s desire to contain it. And, looking at the difficulties the TPP faces, China’s leaders may hope that, if a superpower is going to end up marginalised, it will not be theirs.

Economist.com/blogs/banyan


The TPP is, broadly, a good thing, with or without China, Japan and South Korea; an ASEAN-China deal is a good thing, too; TPP + ASEAN-China + China, Japan and South Korea is an even better thing, but don't hold your breath while waiting for any of them.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
China is allowing all these demonstrations and so on to distract public attention from slower growth ~ down to a guesstimated 7% this year, which is below the 8% level which some Chinese officials told me is the level required to pretty much guarantee the all important social harmony on which the Party depends for popular support.

I repeat: the Chinese, unlike us, think in the mid and long terms ~ the main long term goal is economic prosperity which provides power (hard and soft) and social harmony. A China-Japan-South Korea free trade area will go a long way towards guaranteeing the kind of stable economic prosperity the Chinese want. They also want those islands but they are willing to buy the output rather than fight for it. If they can stare down the Japanese, Malaysians and Filipinos and get ownership then so much the better but if, as with Australian, Canadian and Siberian resources, they have to pay for them then that will be OK ~ just so long as they get them.

Good call on the distracting the public, but my Asian studies professor has a different cause for it.

The Chinese government is using Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute to divert attention not from slower growth, but the internal power change.
My professor (Dr. Jacob Kovalio if you need to know) believes power is being handed over from PresidentParamount Leader Hu Jintao to Vice President Xi Jinping (which is why Xi disappeared for 2 weeks.).

Of course, the easy way to create a diversion is to berate Japan.

The dispute might go away after Xi Jinping takes over completely.
 
Sadukar09 said:
Good call on the distracting the public, but my Asian studies professor has a different cause for it.

The Chinese government is using Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute to divert attention not from slower growth, but the internal power change.
My professor (Dr. Jacob Kovalio if you need to know) believes power is being handed over from PresidentParamount Leader Hu Jintao to Vice President Xi Jinping (which is why Xi disappeared for 2 weeks.).

Of course, the easy way to create a diversion is to berate Japan.

The dispute might go away after Xi Jinping takes over completely.


It's no secret that Xi Jinping is taking over ~ we've been talking about that here, on Army.ca, for over two years now. The transitions of high officials are reasonably transparent in China.

With all possible respect for your professor, I disagree: Xi disappeared because the Chinese are still less than expert at media relations. One of the HUGE advantages that Prime Minister Harper et al have over Hu and Xi is that our open, democratic and inquisitive system tells those in power what we want and forces them, Western, democratic leaders, to tell people (some of) what's going on ~ it, taking the "public pulse" or even the "temperature of the room" inside the Party, is very difficult for the Chinese. They are learning but it, consultation, is not an Asian political tradition. My guess is that Xi was busy "cabinet making" and ignored the fact that the media is both everywhere and insatiable. Occam's razor and all that: don't look for a conspiracy when simple bureaucratic ineptitude explains it all.
 
There is an interesting factoid in the Wall Street Journal: "One in five people who took the GMAT last year was from China, according to a new report from the Graduate Management Admission Council, which administers the business-school entrance exam globally. The number of tests taken by Chinese citizens rose 45% from last year, to 58,196."

The reason it's interesting is that China's biggest single problem is corruption and MBA graduates, even those just studying for the GMAT, are going to conclude that corruption is bad for business. Assuming that most of these tens of thousands of would be MBAs are young people we might also assume that as they move up in the business and political systems they will continue to oppose and, even, actively work against corruption. Less corruption ≈ greater prosperity ≈ greater power, soft and hard.
 
China's First Aircraft Carrier Commissioned.
Reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act defense-aerospace.com
More at link
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/138728/china%27s-first-aircraft-carrier-enters-service.html

China's first aircraft carrier "Liaoning" was officially delivered to and has fallen in the array of the Navy of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) on the morning of September 25, 2012.

It is of great significance for the PLA Navy to improve its modernization level of the comprehensive combat power and enhance its defensive operation capability, develop its capabilities of carrying out open-sea cooperation and dealing with non-traditional security threats, effectively safeguard state sovereignty, security and development interests, and promote world peace and common development.

Looks like China has just increased their ability to project power.  This definitely comes at a time where tensions over natural resources in the South China Sea are being claimed by many different nations.  Since an Aircraft Carrier is primarily an offensive weapon and by its very nature projects power and authority, I wonder how they are going to use it.  Time will tell.
 
Canadian.Trucker said:
China's First Aircraft Carrier Commissioned.
Reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act defense-aerospace.com
More at link
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/138728/china%27s-first-aircraft-carrier-enters-service.html

Looks like China has just increased their ability to project power.  This definitely comes at a time where tensions over natural resources in the South China Sea are being claimed by many different nations.  Since an Aircraft Carrier is primarily an offensive weapon and by its very nature projects power and authority, I wonder how they are going to use it.  Time will tell.

The carrier as yet doesnt have aircraft that can operate from the carrier. In addition to strike aircraft it will require tanker and ASW aircraft. Then of course it will take quite awhile for the Chinese to practice carrier operations. Of course they could just load the carrier with troops and helicopters and make it a floating base. Another area the Chinese will need to perfect is at sea sustainment. Not a problem though if you operate in coastal waters.
 
Interesting that its hull number is 16; two-digit identifiers are habitually assigned to training ships -- combatants have three numbers.

  :dunno:
 
Journeyman said:
Interesting that its hull number is 16; two-digit identifiers are habitually assigned to training ships -- combatants have three numbers.

I don't know where you got this "convention" from.

First of all, Hull numbers on warships are not an internationally agreed matters. Each nation has its own system (and in fact, there isn't even any rule that imposes the use of hull numbers).

If one was to follow your logic, then every aircraft carrier ever owned and operated by the USA, the UK, France, Canada etc. would have been a training ship because they all have one or two-digit identifiers.

And what of four-digits hull numbers then? Yes, they do exist in many nations, usually for smaller combatants - either in the FAC's, PB's and MCM's.

 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
I don't know where you got this "convention" from.

First of all, Hull numbers on warships are not an internationally agreed matters. Each nation has its own system (and in fact, there isn't even any rule that imposes the use of hull numbers).

If one was to follow your logic, then every aircraft carrier ever owned and operated by the USA, the UK, France, Canada etc. would have been a training ship because they all have one or two-digit identifiers.

And what of four-digits hull numbers then? Yes, they do exist in many nations, usually for smaller combatants - either in the FAC's, PB's and MCM's.
*phew, I was worried there for a second since I'm usually issued with the number 00 for some reason.  Thought it meant I was only good for training purposes.  ;D
 
tomahawk6 said:
The carrier as yet doesnt have aircraft that can operate from the carrier. In addition to strike aircraft it will require tanker and ASW aircraft. Then of course it will take quite awhile for the Chinese to practice carrier operations. Of course they could just load the carrier with troops and helicopters and make it a floating base. Another area the Chinese will need to perfect is at sea sustainment. Not a problem though if you operate in coastal waters.

Not necessarily. The next closest thing in the world to a US carrier is the French carrier Charles-de-Gaulle. Yet, it does not carry any tanker and, for ASW, employs only helicopters.

And it just goes downhill from there for the capabilities of other nations' carriers.

There is just nothing out there with the capabilities of the US aircraft carriers and it is not likely that there will be anything for a while - not even the QUEEN ELIZABETH or PRINCE OF WHALES when they enter service - and the only nation in the running, China, has decades of naval developments and learning before they can get there.
 
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