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Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread

And the anti-Xi exercise is having an impact in Iran.


We already know he has had an impact in Venezuela and Cuba and Latin America more broadly.
 
The Telegraph article references on of the risks Trump is facing is his approval rating


He is still above 40.

He was under 40 in 2018, 2021 and 2022 and was re-elected in 2024.

He is still polling higher than Joe Biden was.
 
Meanwhile - how secure is China's position.
Not very. Until about 2021, China's GDP as a share of US GDP was climbing, peaked around 78% of US GDP, and has since declined to about 64%. That doesn't mean China is failing; it does mean the US is running away from China (and every other country).
 
Israel also banned them from their bases as well, after buying them and issuing to officers.....

I wonder what the rules will be when they eventually come to the US (albeit manufactured in the US). Ford is already talking about a Joint Venture with BYD. And I'm guessing that will be one of the announcements coming out of the Putin - Xi summit. Is an American assembled vehicle with Chinese software American or Chinese for base access purposes?
 
The only real odd one out is Eswatini, which is maintaining it's ties to Taiwan.


Going to be fun when Trump announces that he doesn't care about Taiwan and won't fight for it, after the summit with Xi.

The PBOC just has to buy some Trump coin through proxy accounts which will mysteriously end up on his books, after he leaves office ...... Last time around they just had to grant his baby girl some copyrights.
 
Xi Jinping’s ‘Chinese Dream’ unravels
Protests over depressed wages and broken promises have erupted across the country in rare show of dissent

In early May, thousands of angry Chinese workers lined the streets of the southern city of Yulin.

Demonstrators blocked the roads, climbed onto rooftops and draped banners which read “Give me back my hard-earned money”.

They were protesting about unpaid wages, offering a rare glimpse into unrest in a country where all forms of protest are prohibited and those who speak out are swiftly, and often violently, punished.

The demonstration, which lasted at least four days and came barely two weeks before Donald Trump’s visit, is one of a growing number erupting across China as citizens grow exasperated with the country’s sluggish economy, strangled wages and corrupt practices.

The rest of it is behind a paywall

 
Bullying Taiwan isn't going to fix China's demographic crisis or replace all the wealth flushed down the toilet building empty cities or satisfy Chinese consumers or stabilize the millions of oppressed not-quite-Chinese minorities.
 
Bullying Taiwan isn't going to fix China's demographic crisis or replace all the wealth flushed down the toilet building empty cities or satisfy Chinese consumers or stabilize the millions of oppressed not-quite-Chinese minorities.
so in your mind, what will be the Chinese version of bread and circuses? Will they use a flat out war? Their current policy of building islands probably doesn't truly register with the general population so Xi will need something that creates drama and patriotism.
 
China will never have a better opportunity to move on Taiwan that now or the near future. Taiwan sees the Trump abandonment coming, and has every incentive to make an attack on the island as costly as possible. The proliferation of defensive firepower via SUAS continues to expand, but Taiwan is highly likely not yet as armed up as they'll need to be. The U.S., through Trump, is as vulnerable to Chinese bribery, chicanery, and leverage as they're ever likely to be before Taiwan becomes too tough to take.

If China is of a mind to forcibly invade and occupy Taiwan, probably the timing doesn't get better than within the next year or so.

Taiwan is a major thorn in their side, and a disproportionate military focus. A successful seizure of Taiwan would allow China to then refocus its military development and posture in whatever was suits them without the need to have so much built around the ability to fight and take Taiwan. I don't know in practical terms what that means, but probably with Taiwan seized, China would be happy to continue building a true blue water navy and basically be a bully throughout Southeast Asia in pursuit of larger economic and political objectives and regional hegemony- 'their hemisphere'. The rest of the world would only stay pissy at them for so long before the need to normalize trade and diplomatic relations in the face of a fait accomplit.
 

I note this, from the article:

"The comments from the president — who acknowledged that Xi raised U.S.-Taiwan arm deals in their discussion — could amount to a fairly dramatic shift. One of the commitments that the administration of President Ronald Reagan made to Taiwan in 1982 — known as the Six Assurances — was that the U.S. wouldn’t consult with Beijing on weapon sales to the island.


But Trump insisted he wasn’t marking any change to American foreign policy in his conversation with the Chinese president.

“He brought that up,” Trump said of Xi. “He talked about that to me, obviously. So what am I going to do, say ‘I don’t want to talk to you about it because I have an agreement that was signed in 1982?’”


Well, yes, that is exactly what you were supposed to say. That's what DIPLOMATS who KNOW all the likely things that may come up or Head of States that have ACTUALLY READ THE BRIEFS INSTEAD OF RELYING ON GUTS would have said, but in diplomatic terms.

(Hey! How do you like my posts written "Trump-style"?)
 
so in your mind, what will be the Chinese version of bread and circuses? Will they use a flat out war? Their current policy of building islands probably doesn't truly register with the general population so Xi will need something that creates drama and patriotism.
The possibility is that China may invade some of the islands close to the mainland, but avoid the main island. That bite by bite strategy will work with minimal causalities and minimal international pushback. Taiwan already knows those islands are indefensible and they and all the troops/civilians will be lost.
 
Wel, well, well... it's almost as if a command economy isn't that effective...

China’s world-beating solar industry is in turmoil​

The Gulf war won’t save it​


AS AMERICA’S WAR on Iran roils energy markets, China’s clean-energy companies would be expected to be cashing in. The country makes over 80% of the world’s solar panels, churning them out in vast quantities. Thanks to such efforts, renewable sources generated more electricity than coal last year around the world. Yet China’s solar industry, though world-beating, is in trouble. And the boost from the war has not been enough to steady it.

China’s solar exports have enjoyed a surge since the bombing began. But that will be small cheer to its companies, as they face three daunting problems. Domestic demand for their products is falling for the first time in decades because the country’s power grids—far and away the biggest market for solar panels—have become overloaded with the things. Solar-panel supply, meanwhile, is overabundant because of years of splashy investment in factories. And even while the war is helping solar sales in South-East Asia and Africa, protectionism has been on the rise in the bigger Western markets.

These problems converge at an ugly time. Most companies have been running at a loss since 2024 because of brutal price wars; bankruptcies are mounting. After experiencing blistering growth, the world’s solar factory now faces a reckoning.

Globally, the solar industry has not always been kind to investors. One solar panel is much like another, and when improvements are made by one producer, they are rapidly copied by competitors. So companies typically try to scale up production as quickly as possible in order to seize market share. That means production can race far ahead of demand, causing margins to collapse. This tendency led to a lurching downturn in revenues in 2018, for instance, followed by a rebound after demand caught up.

Solar wastes​

But the current slump is of a different order. The main market for solar panels has always been within China, and roll-out has been so fast in recent years that it is outpacing the ability of the power grids to absorb it. All across the country, roofs, hills and deserts are carpeted with dark grey silicon. To keep the lights on, China has in the past relied on coal-fired power, which can be turned on and off as needed. Solar panels work only in daylight, which can lead to power shortages at night and excesses during the day. As a result, in January and February about 9% of China’s solar generation was wasted, up from 6% in the same period last year.

That all makes it hard to justify adding much more. Installations this year could fall by between 24% and 43% from 2025, according to an industry group (see chart). That would be enough to cause global demand for solar panels to fall in 2026 for the first time in two decades, says BloombergNEF, a consultancy. For China’s grids to cope, it needs to be able to store excess solar power or move it long distances to where it might be needed. That requires big investments in batteries and power lines, as well as figuring out flexible market mechanisms to co-ordinate everything (in some regions long-term contracts for coal-fired power lock out renewables even though they are cheaper). All this is happening, helped by the fact that batteries, like solar panels, are becoming much cheaper as production of them increases. But it takes time. That means that even if solar installations start rising again next year, growth will probably be much slower than before.

Meanwhile China’s solar companies are struggling with a glut of supply. Frenzied investment has left them able to produce over 1,000 gigawatts (GW) of solar panels in a year. That is far more than the already whopping 600GW that were installed worldwide in 2025 and probably more than the global market will ever be able to soak up, reckons Jenny Chase of BloombergNEF, who notes: “We’re running out of big countries that don’t already have a lot of solar at this point.”

 
Wel, well, well... it's almost as if a command economy isn't that effective...

Cause capitalist economies haven't had boom and bust cycles in say real estate in the 2000s or AI now?

China went through the same thing with EVs. Their industry then consolidated and came out even stronger. They've gone from 1M auto exports in 2020 to 10M today. Their solar sector is basically going through something similar. And the mistake is assuming that consolidation is the death of the sector. Nope, it's the death of companies. The manufacturing capacity remains. We'll probably end up seeing exactly what happened in the auto sector. Market dries up at home in China? Exports skyrocket. Watch them blanket Africa and Latin America in solar panels.

Also, I have a Bloomberg subscription and you can follow the analyst mentioned on there. She has pointed out that this cycle of consolidation is very typical for China.
 
The latest on this Yuesheng Wang dude - as always, presumed innocent until proven guilty via due process & all that ....
Also archived here.
Bumping with the latest: verdict delayed, back in court 8 Sept to set a new date for a verdict.
 
Cause capitalist economies haven't had boom and bust cycles in say real estate in the 2000s or AI now?

China went through the same thing with EVs. Their industry then consolidated and came out even stronger. They've gone from 1M auto exports in 2020 to 10M today. Their solar sector is basically going through something similar. And the mistake is assuming that consolidation is the death of the sector. Nope, it's the death of companies. The manufacturing capacity remains. We'll probably end up seeing exactly what happened in the auto sector. Market dries up at home in China? Exports skyrocket. Watch them blanket Africa and Latin America in solar panels.

Also, I have a Bloomberg subscription and you can follow the analyst mentioned on there. She has pointed out that this cycle of consolidation is very typical for China.
China is starting to face a backlash in Africa, they are going to have to reinvent their relationships there, if they want to succeed in the long term.
 
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