Except they sold the design capability and technology to Viking. Without having to enter an expensive developmental programme they can simply lobby the government to purchase a fleet of executive transports to a) save hours on the airbuses b) reduce carbon output c) reduce fuel costs for all international travel except for that requiring the full entourage. Bombardier makes a superb long-range high class executive aircraft
CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora
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Why bother with the F-35 and P8, lets just wait for the replacements because they'll already be obsolete when we get them....
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I will wait for official govt announcements, but I will take a WAG that if we go P-8, we will have them long before they are obsolete.
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….ummm….grow the biz jet top line.
And Mil variants are very small potatoes compared to the throughout of the commercial line.
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Agree but you got me looking.
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Focus: Luxury jet makers battle over lucrative spy plane niche
Last month, a ghostly grey business jet took off from central Sweden and headed across the Baltic on a routine spying mission.
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Bigger market than I thought
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The Special Mission Aircraft Market is expected to reach USD 6.63 billion in 2024 and grow at a CAGR of 1.99% to reach USD 7.31 billion by 2029. Textron Inc., General Dynamics Corporation, Saab AB, RTX Corporation and Dassault Aviation are the major companies operating in this market.
Special Mission Aircraft market is projected to grow from USD 15.9 billion in 2022 to USD 19.9 billion by 2027 at a CAGR of 4.6 %.
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The global business jets market is expected to expand from an estimated USD 30.9 billion in 2022 to USD 46.8 billion by 2028, at a CAGR of 7.2% over the forecast period of 2023-2028.
So the business case is there.
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The airframe isn’t the big part.Agree but you got me looking.
Focus: Luxury jet makers battle over lucrative spy plane niche
Last month, a ghostly grey business jet took off from central Sweden and headed across the Baltic on a routine spying mission.
Bigger market than I thought
Special Mission Aircraft Market Size & Share Analysis - Industry Research Report - Growth Trends
The Special Mission Aircraft Market is expected to reach USD 6.63 billion in 2024 and grow at a CAGR of 1.99% to reach USD 7.31 billion by 2029. Textron Inc., General Dynamics Corporation, Saab AB, RTX Corporation and Dassault Aviation are the major companies operating in this market.www.mordorintelligence.com
Special Mission Aircraft market is projected to grow from USD 15.9 billion in 2022 to USD 19.9 billion by 2027 at a CAGR of 4.6 %.
Lots of major defense companies are buying the airframes and putting equipment into them.
Due to the nature of the equipment it’s not a job a Canadian aircraft company will get.
If they want to chase that market it would be a fools errand, unless they sell interior stripped airframes for conversions
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Oh yes the inside stuff is the important bits. And the its where most of the money is too. But for Bombardier they want to sell the airframe and also the ton of work to certify (this is big money too) whatever bits and bobs that stick out of the aircraft.
I was surprised at the size of the market. And company like Bombardier would in Canada be the prime and say Lockheed the sub. But in reality LM would have all the IP and tech. In the US it would be opposite, as in the BACN.
If you are Bombardier this market is really the only market you can move to. They gave up small and mid size biz market. Lear and smaller challengers are gone. And they have had some success. I don't think they will the prime other than maybe in the RCAF case for reasons.
I am just talking about the business case from their angle. I do agree we should just get the P-8 and maybe a couple of wedgetails too.
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The only discontinued (largest) Challenger model was the 800, which was based on the CRJ-200.
Challenger 300/350/now 3500 is the only "smaller" Challenger, and production is ongoing.
Production of the larger (original) Challenger 650 is ongoing as well.
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Sorry your right. I thought the 601 was smaller....just updated and new number. Same sizes
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Frankly I'd like to see 412 Sqn re-equipped with half a dozen Global Express 7500 - larger, faster, longer range.
Configure them with a medevac suite you can swap in as well...
Configure them with a medevac suite you can swap in as well...
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Our opportunity was in 2020, when we bought the 650. Won’t happen for a while now…
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I like where your head is at!
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This is Canada….we don’t need a “good“ time to buy corporate jets…
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Ah, the bright eyed optimism of youth.
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That was clear when Chretien made it an impromptu good time to buy a couple 604s two days short of the end of fiscal year…SOCD to follow…
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Most units just buy more office furniture. I didn't know it was an optionThat was clear when Chretien made it an impromptu good time to buy a couple 604s two days short of the end of fiscal year…SOCD to follow…
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Amateur…Most units just buy more office furniture. I didn't know it was an option
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I bought two houses one year.Most units just buy more office furniture. I didn't know it was an option
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An article in the Ottawa Citizen says that Bombardier has officially teamed with General Dynamics Mission Systems-Canada to offer a Global 6500-based replacement for the CP-140s.
Apparently the team is pushing the fact that GDMS-C already does the sensors on the Auroras and Cyclones and has a proven design with low-risk integration. They also note that with the planned Aurora modernization extending the service life of the CP-140s into the 2030s that leaves plenty of time for the CF to look at different options than the P-8 for replacement (which is still technically in the "options analysis" phase) and as per PSPC, the RFI to Boeing "does not commit Canada to purchasing the P-8A Poseidon".
Looks like Minister Anand is in for a political fight.
Apparently the team is pushing the fact that GDMS-C already does the sensors on the Auroras and Cyclones and has a proven design with low-risk integration. They also note that with the planned Aurora modernization extending the service life of the CP-140s into the 2030s that leaves plenty of time for the CF to look at different options than the P-8 for replacement (which is still technically in the "options analysis" phase) and as per PSPC, the RFI to Boeing "does not commit Canada to purchasing the P-8A Poseidon".
Looks like Minister Anand is in for a political fight.
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