Continental Defence Corvette

[Genetk44]

The chimney reeked right enough. But we could rely on being warm.

There was less reek with coke than coal.

Voices in the Coalshed: Coke - National Coal Mining Museum

Do you know what coke is? Coke is a fuel made by heating coal without access to oxygen, but do you know what the process 'coking' is?

www.ncm.org.uk

And there would be still less reek in a modern high efficiency stove like those used with wood, when suitably engineered for the higher temperatures.

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I loved the smell of burning peat in the morning.

 

[Kirkhill]

I loved the smell of burning peat in the morning.

Guid Ayrshire anthracite.

 

[PrairieFella]

Like images of people stocking up on snow shovels whenever a big storm is forecast, or water, a/c and fuel when a hurricane is predicted. I'm not sure how some people who live in a hurricane or tornado alley seem to be taken by surprise every year.


I didn't know coal exhaust was all that clean, and oil tanks don't rust unless there is water in the oil.

I don't know about cost comparability but we currently store a large quantity - certainly more than two weeks worth in the winter - of energy in the form of propane.

Coal is stupid objectively. Its dirty, full of contaminants like mercury and arsenic and very energy inefficient. Its also expensive per KWh. If you want a back up get a genny or a modern battery system. Far more efficient. Coal should be relegated to the history books at this rate.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I was one of CanadaCom liaison watch officers to US NORTHCOM during Katrina and Rita. New Orleans was just tipping into collapse the night before the US military rolled in en masse. There were a lot of questions as to why they didn’t go in piecemeal as they arrived.

I was in Biloxi Mississippi for the Katrina clean up on VDQ.

 

[Rainbow1910]

I wonder if the AOPs could be fitted with a a few of the Sky Ranger systems and be used for more then patrol?

It would not be an especially wise idea as fundamentally, AOPS is not designed to act in these sorts of armed roles and the vessel itself is poorly suited. There is very limited space to fit these systems, and you also need to deal with their power, ammunition, upkeep and personnel requirements. Throwing land based systems onto naval vessels also has the side effect of running into issues of corrosion and increased wear as well.

 

[lenaitch]

The CAF is surprised every year by summer leave and by fiscal year end.

So is every government department that uses the 'use it or lose it' type of accounting (whatever its formal name is). Government agencies and departments don't spend money that was given to them at the beginning of the FY, they spend allocations that were identified to them.

 

[dapaterson]

So is every government department that uses the 'use it or lose it' type of accounting (whatever its formal name is). Government agencies and departments don't spend money that was given to them at the beginning of the FY, they spend allocations that were identified to them.

Cash vs accrual accounting.

GoC uses a mishmash of both.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

So is every government department that uses the 'use it or lose it' type of accounting (whatever its formal name is). Government agencies and departments don't spend money that was given to them at the beginning of the FY, they spend allocations that were identified to them.

In TC, you were expected to be close to your budget allocation, if you had a surplus in your regional program, it was pooled and used to cover regional programs in TC that were forced over budget by events. Managers were not punished for saving money. This was the complete opposite of DFO where you didn't get your budget till June/July, told to stop spending in Oct/Nov, then have money stripped from you to fund a pet project of the regional director, then March Madness as if by some chance you had money left over, there was a strong possibility that your next year budget would be reduced because "You don't need it".

 

[childs56]

It would not be an especially wise idea as fundamentally, AOPS is not designed to act in these sorts of armed roles and the vessel itself is poorly suited. There is very limited space to fit these systems, and you also need to deal with their power, ammunition, upkeep and personnel requirements. Throwing land based systems onto naval vessels also has the side effect of running into issues of corrosion and increased wear as well.

They have a marine version of the system.

 

[Underway]

Some rumours:

CDC no longer has a length restriction of ~105m. I already assumed this was arbitrary, but now that DND has bought waterfront land beside Shearwater this "space" problem starts to go away. Particularly if they also have plans/thoughts to create a naval station in Quebec.

CDC numbers being discussed are 20. I suspect that's a full build and then replace similar to how the Japanese do their submarines. A drumbeat of one ship per year for 20 years, when you get to year 21 retire the first ship (or sell to a country that doesn't mind older ships, like Chile).

Ship needs to have the self defence capability of a CPF.

Which makes sense. My thoughts are that this doesn't mean it needs the redundancy of a frigate. One air search radar, one fire control radar, 40mm or 57mm, 8 Tactical length VLS, MASS or equivalent, though that could be a mission fit along with RAMSES II or equivalent. Hull mounted sonar, and a Torp magazine to carry ammo needed for a drone to drop torps on something. Small flight deck for drones only and for medevac haul up system.

Of course this might end up being the Canadian "Tier 2 combatant" that the UK (Type 31) and Australia (Mogami) are doing.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Some rumours:

CDC no longer has a length restriction of ~105m. I already assumed this was arbitrary, but now that DND has bought waterfront land beside Shearwater this "space" problem starts to go away. Particularly if they also have plans/thoughts to create a naval station in Quebec.

CDC numbers being discussed are 20. I suspect that's a full build and then replace similar to how the Japanese do their submarines. A drumbeat of one ship per year for 20 years, when you get to year 21 retire the first ship (or sell to a country that doesn't mind older ships, like Chile).

Ship needs to have the self defence capability of a CPF.

Which makes sense. My thoughts are that this doesn't mean it needs the redundancy of a frigate. One air search radar, one fire control radar, 40mm or 57mm, 8 Tactical length VLS, MASS or equivalent, though that could be a mission fit along with RAMSES II or equivalent. Hull mounted sonar, and a Torp magazine to carry ammo needed for a drone to drop torps on something. Small flight deck for drones only and for medevac haul up system.

Of course this might end up being the Canadian "Tier 2 combatant" that the UK (Type 31) and Australia (Mogami) are doing.

Thoughts if the larger number of 20 means a smaller number of 15 on the Rivers?

 

[IKnowNothing]

@Underway . Would it be fair to say that going into the 2030's, that despite the CP*F* comparison, the armament / suite as you listed it is less so " almost frigate level combatant" and moreso "slightly more than minimum for a credible and survivable naval representation", and that these are largely going to be tasked with being "present" and able to credibly stand their ground against softer /asymmetrical incursions to our sovereignty? (For ex. Armed icebreakers, "Research vessels" that almost certainly have offensive drone capability,etc)

And follow up- would it be worth it for such a ship to have a 2nd gun- whether 2x 57mm or 1x 57mm + 1 x30mm - for the additional "close in" defensive fire?

 

[deepblue202]

I like the French FDI frigate if we are getting something off the shelf but built in Canada:

Defence and intervention frigate - Wikipedia Defence and intervention frigate - Wikipedia

 

[IKnowNothing]

Also Rule of 5ing 20 CDC's and Rule of 4ing 12 CPS's... 3 Subs and 4 CDC's at sea at all times with 4 more CDC's available to surge...

Someone is taking the future threat to our martime and arctic sovereignty very seriously- concerning so

 

[Nvlgzr]

Some rumours:

CDC no longer has a length restriction of ~105m. I already assumed this was arbitrary, but now that DND has bought waterfront land beside Shearwater this "space" problem starts to go away. Particularly if they also have plans/thoughts to create a naval station in Quebec.

CDC numbers being discussed are 20. I suspect that's a full build and then replace similar to how the Japanese do their submarines. A drumbeat of one ship per year for 20 years, when you get to year 21 retire the first ship (or sell to a country that doesn't mind older ships, like Chile).

Ship needs to have the self defence capability of a CPF.

Which makes sense. My thoughts are that this doesn't mean it needs the redundancy of a frigate. One air search radar, one fire control radar, 40mm or 57mm, 8 Tactical length VLS, MASS or equivalent, though that could be a mission fit along with RAMSES II or equivalent. Hull mounted sonar, and a Torp magazine to carry ammo needed for a drone to drop torps on something. Small flight deck for drones only and for medevac haul up system.

Of course this might end up being the Canadian "Tier 2 combatant" that the UK (Type 31) and Australia (Mogami) are doing.

Can you explain what Ramses II is besides a deceased Egyptian.

 

[DBNSG]

Some rumours:

CDC no longer has a length restriction of ~105m. I already assumed this was arbitrary, but now that DND has bought waterfront land beside Shearwater this "space" problem starts to go away. Particularly if they also have plans/thoughts to create a naval station in Quebec.

CDC numbers being discussed are 20. I suspect that's a full build and then replace similar to how the Japanese do their submarines. A drumbeat of one ship per year for 20 years, when you get to year 21 retire the first ship (or sell to a country that doesn't mind older ships, like Chile).

Ship needs to have the self defence capability of a CPF.

Which makes sense. My thoughts are that this doesn't mean it needs the redundancy of a frigate. One air search radar, one fire control radar, 40mm or 57mm, 8 Tactical length VLS, MASS or equivalent, though that could be a mission fit along with RAMSES II or equivalent. Hull mounted sonar, and a Torp magazine to carry ammo needed for a drone to drop torps on something. Small flight deck for drones only and for medevac haul up system.

Of course this might end up being the Canadian "Tier 2 combatant" that the UK (Type 31) and Australia (Mogami) are doing.

I wonder, as time moves on, that DND see's this hull as a chance to allocate some to the Coast Guard as a bridge to further combine Naval CG cultures. Pay the civilians a little more to do security and police and patrol work. Extra hulls to add the, fitted for but not with, should things bonk.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Can you explain what Ramses II is besides a deceased Egyptian.

Decoy.