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9 ton buoy and 3 ton anchor plus chain for some of the bigger river buoys
Continental Defence Corvette
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That makes sense. It will be well into Seapan's CCG build cycle.
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Poland rolls out new warship
The warship will be equipped for air defense, anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare.
tvpworld.com
On the Type 31 Arrowhead front
Poland on track to have its first in service by 2029 and all three in srevice by 2031.
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Poland rolls out new warship
The warship will be equipped for air defense, anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare.
On the Type 31 Arrowhead front
Poland on track to have its first in service by 2029 and all three in srevice by 2031.
Holy moly now those are good timelines...
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One hull hitting the water later this week to be fitted out, the other two are already being assembled. Not like they're starting to cut steel today.
Still, a noteworthy accomplishment.
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TKMS was floating the idea of giving it's MEKO A-100 design to a Canadian shipyard which didn't get included in their submarine bid.
Wonder if there's a chance they're still open to the idea, with this information becoming public.
Wonder if there's a chance they're still open to the idea, with this information becoming public.
[CBC]Push for co-operation among European shipbuilders could have Canadian ripple effect
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Reading that internet article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/submarines-germany-canada-corevettes-warships-9.7308142 … which speculates that TKMS could license a Canadian modifed Meko A-100, had me speculating on what equipment Canada could chose (for a Continental Defence Corvette) for such if a TKMS Meko A-100 was chosen. First I note such a corvette/light-frigate is likely not very Arctic capable (compared to the lightly armed Harry de Wolf class). Still, for a very very very speculative heavily armed possibility (where I attempted to select some commonality with both past (Halifax class) and future RCN (River class) warships some ideas:
- Main Gun : Mk3 Bofers 57mm
- Secondary/CIWS: 2 x MSI-DS Mk38 Mod-4 30mm stabilized auto canon (one port, one starboard)
- Antiship missiles: 2 x single-quad Kongsberg Naval Strike missiles (one port, one starboard)
- Air Defence: 8 cell (4x2 grid) Mk-41 VLS – Tactical Length
- Torpedoes : 2 x twin 324mm auto-loaded torpedo tubes (for Mk 54 MAKO torpedo)
- Surveillance/Air Search : Thales NS-100 AESA
- Firecontrol Radar : Thales STIR 1.2
- Nav/Surface Radar: the AN/SPS-73(V)18 Next Generation Surface Search Radar (NGSSR)
- Sonar (HMS): Ultra Electronics S2150
- Sonar (Towed array): Thales CAPTAS-2
- Underwater decoy: Ultra Electronics Sea Sentor S2170 Surface Ship Torpedo Defence (SSTD)
- EO/Optical : SPEIR
- Combat Management System : CMS330
- ESM: SLQ-32
- ECM: MASS and LEED
- Sigint: Strongbow (SRD-506)
- Flight deck and hanger for UAV/UAS
Obviously, I think, the above is probably much heavier armed than RCN would go for in a continental defence corvette, but it was interesting to pick and choose, for the sole purpose of speculation.
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Like the Vard unsolicited proposals, as you say this is highly speculative, and I expect we will see more and more of these concepts appearing in the media. Right now there is no real capacity identified to build them, the project is not in the strategic planning, not funded, and not an approved procurement program. At this stage, it is essentially a small project office gathering information and developing the requirements that could eventually lead to an RFI.
Even if an RFI is released, that does not mean Vard or any other unsolicited proposal is what Canada would buy. There are plenty of other designs out there, including some arguably much better suited to what the RCN may ultimately require. The other enormous issue is crewing. The RCN would need a major change in personnel numbers, training and crewing models before adding another class of combatant in meaningful numbers.
So no, I would not expect to see these ships anytime soon. Ten years away would be optimistic, and that assumes the project actually gets approved, funded and survives the long list of other defence priorities competing for people and money.
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Yes - I agree this is a major issue. The RCN will have a massive challenge (saying this politely) to both man and maintain its existing ships and submarines, and still at the same time attempt to procure the replacement submarines and warships. ... and the RCN, I suspect, are not alone in this regard, where I suspect the RCAF and Canadian Army face similar issues. ... I sincerely hope they all can meet the challenge. While 'exciting', also incredibly difficult times ahead for them. They have my best wishes.
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We have the runway to deal with this address of crewing.
You cant man ships you don't have, you cant recruit, train and then "retain" men and women if you don't have ships for them to operate.
What the Navy Reserve has accomplished over the past 20 or so years has been pretty remarkable. It has had a few hiccups along the way. Give them a ship with a real guns, missiles and underwater gear and see what happens.
5 Corvettes each coast. Staffed by Reservists. Pick up on the schedule hole left by the MCDVs.
If the ship is tied up for a month or so then so be it. They may not provide a 100% solution for Canadian Defense, they can can provide a 70-80% which is better than 0%.
What the Navy Reserve has accomplished over the past 20 or so years has been pretty remarkable. It has had a few hiccups along the way. Give them a ship with a real guns, missiles and underwater gear and see what happens.
5 Corvettes each coast. Staffed by Reservists. Pick up on the schedule hole left by the MCDVs.
If the ship is tied up for a month or so then so be it. They may not provide a 100% solution for Canadian Defense, they can can provide a 70-80% which is better than 0%.
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We are already running into this problem, in a big way. I have a department of 70 with 6 C&PO's (including myself) and one D level NWO to run it, the rest are Jr pers who need a ship to train aboard.
As much as we have complained about not having enough people to sail our ships, we are now hitting a problem of too many Jr pers, and nowhere to get them to sea to learn. MSE got all the heat and light for a long time, but all of the navy trades are having issues now.
The MCDVs worked because the Nav Res operated a third navy, of full-time pers, and their ships didn't have overly complex systems to maintain. Even then, some of the key positions on MCDVs were Reg, because the Nav Res knew it couldn't train those trades. Giving them a complex warship is just asking for them to fail.
The future model will see the Nav Res exist as entry point for the RCN overall, and as an augmentation force on ships across the entire fleet save subs. There is even acknowledgement that in most trades progression beyond OFP will be impossible without some full-time service beyond DP1. You can't be an expert in maintaining/operating systems you see once every couple of years on a TD to the cost.
This what the AOPVs are already doing, along with the few MCDVs still in service. In reality, the MCDVs haven't been Nav Res boats in around a decade anyway.
If we want a replacement for the other tasks, simple OSVs make more sense than a CPF-lite.
That is sad that we do not have enough ships and or facilities to train the newer sailors.
MCDVs worked because they had to, at first the Regs wanted nothing to do with them, then they didn't want to give them up. There is nothing on a MCDV that could not be crewed by a Reservist. (one needs to change the way of thinking).
"The future model will see the Nav Res exist as entry point for the RCN overall, and as an augmentation force on ships across the entire fleet save subs."
This will fail as it did in the past. Simply put the Regular force will treat the Reserves as cannon fodder and not as equals.
You can offer full time service to train Reservists, again don't cancel the courses and don't make it so limited that a person cannot attend the course.
Simulators for many of the CBT systems should be purchased and sent across to the various Stone Frigates. We have the tech (maybe not the Canadian Forces) to train a multitude of people over 1000 of KMs through simulators. All you need to do is pay the internet bill and install the equipment.
You can sail a Corvette along the coast of BC full filling much of the current mission the MCDVs are doing and not require all the fancy systems to be online. As you get trained and requirements then you can either billet regular Force augmentees and or staff with Reservists. Lets face it Canada won't buy enough missiles and shells to equip all the potential ships that may come on line anyways. You sim things and cross train.
Running a OSV will limit anything a Reservist can do going forward. So minds well give them some good equipment and set them up for success, even if it takes a few years to roll it all out fully.
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That's completely untrue, because some of the qualifications exist only in Reg occupations. They don't have Res versions, because the training required doesn't mesh with part-time service.
The new trades will require Res sailors to do full-time service to advance past the lowest levels of the occupations. The contracts will exists, but it's not something that can be done in two week blocks over a few years.
Except it will require TS simulators, in buildings not built for TS, and then require a vast network of people at the TS level to maintain and instruct on the systems... We aren't talking about basic stuff here, and not training just like the real systems has nearly zero value.
So build a billion dollar warship, then sail it like an OSV... How does that make any sense, beyond looking to give the Nav Res a cool toy for the sake of having a cool toy.
So treat the Reg sailors just like you think Res sailors shouldn't be treated... Sounds great.
Why not forgo the whole hassle of relying on the Nav Res(who should mostly be part-time) as the primary staff, and just staff them with Regs, then augment across all of the fleet, CDC, RCD, AOPV, and AOR with Nav Res pers on class B/C contracts?
Again, there is no such thing as a Nav Res ship. All ships, apart from subs, will have Nav Res augmentees. So the OSVs/MCDV replacements would be just like MCDVs have been for the last decade, staffed mostly by Reg sailors.
