Continental Defence Corvette

[PrairieFella]

Canada really doesn't need an expeditionary Army, a descent home guard is all we need. With some full timeSoF. Perhaps people are finally realizing that.

What Canada needs is a world class RCN and RCAF.

The stated foreign policy of Canada seems to disagree with you lol. You happen to see no value in European involvement haha. Ships and planes cant hold ground, no matter how many times we try to rehash that fallacy.

 

[DBNSG]

The stated foreign policy of Canada seems to disagree with you lol. You happen to see no value in European involvement haha. Ships and planes cant hold ground, no matter how many times we try to rehash that fallacy.

So the Canadian Marine Regiment then? copied off the Dutch Marines perhaps?

 

[FSTO]

The stated foreign policy of Canada seems to disagree with you lol. You happen to see no value in European involvement haha. Ships and planes cant hold ground, no matter how many times we try to rehash that fallacy.

And if you cannot control the sea lines of communication then your army languishes without supplies.
Napoleon, Hitler, and the Soviet Union all learned that lesson as well.

 

[PrairieFella]

And if you cannot control the sea lines of communication then your army languishes without supplies.
Napoleon, Hitler, and the Soviet Union all learned that lesson as well.

110%. Almost like all three services complement each other

 

[FJAG]

And if you cannot control the sea lines of communication then your army languishes without supplies.
Napoleon, Hitler, and the Soviet Union all learned that lesson as well.

It isn't an either/or debate. The last time Canada considered seaborne operations was the CAST combat group and that basically soured DND on the concept. Afghanistan was supplied by an air bridge and IMHO you can't rely on that for MCO in Europe. So yeah. You need sea lanes and a system to make use of them. Canada doesn't have a system because logistics is left as an afterthought until the point where it becomes a problem. Neither the army nor the navy is putting any effort into developing a seal lane logistics system.

I'm not so sure that was a lesson for those three. It was an issue to an extent but the real lessons were all land and air related.

 

[FSTO]

It isn't an either/or debate. The last time Canada considered seaborne operations was the CAST combat group and that basically soured DND on the concept. Afghanistan was supplied by an air bridge and IMHO you can't rely on that for MCO in Europe. So yeah. You need sea lanes and a system to make use of them. Canada doesn't have a system because logistics is left as an afterthought until the point where it becomes a problem. Neither the army nor the navy is putting any effort into developing a seal lane logistics system.

I'm not so sure that was a lesson for those three. It was an issue to an extent but the real lessons were all land and air related.

Re: Astan, I`d like to see how much of the air supplied logistics were prepositioned to a middle east port?

 

[FSTO]

So once again the perpetual battle within the CAF regarding who is more important, the Army, the Air Force or the Navy.

I'm reading a Phd Thesis on the re-org of Canada's defence in the 1960's and one sentence really stood out "A Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS) would act as a single voice for the services, policy planning would be integrated, and reorganizers hoped that a unified military would foster a new singular loyalty above that of the individual services."

That was a fools errand in the 60's and nothing during my life in the CAF/MARCOM/RCN has ever shown me that loyalty to an individual service has been topped by loyalty to the CAF.

https://ruor.uottawa.ca/server/api/core/bitstreams/f29fe973-23d0-47a4-80a4-7e16383d1235/content

 

[PrairieFella]

So once again the perpetual battle within the CAF regarding who is more important, the Army, the Air Force or the Navy.

I'm reading a Phd Thesis on the re-org of Canada's defence in the 1960's and one sentence really stood out "A Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS) would act as a single voice for the services, policy planning would be integrated, and reorganizers hoped that a unified military would foster a new singular loyalty above that of the individual services."

That was a fools errand in the 60's and nothing during my life in the CAF/MARCOM/RCN has ever shown me that loyalty to an individual service has been topped by loyalty to the CAF.

https://ruor.uottawa.ca/server/api/core/bitstreams/f29fe973-23d0-47a4-80a4-7e16383d1235/content

Gen Rouleau put it best in committee back in late Oct - 75% of all future capital spending into the 2030s is earmarked for the Navy and that that 25% for the Army and Air Force combined is completely unsustainable and will not enable a balanced force.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

And the first one will be launched in 2035. Have we learnt nothing from Ukraine? Soon, simple and functional rather than a big honkin' dream.

The "corvette" will take longer, unless we build offshore and minimize Canadiizing it.

You are going to need big and well armed ships. The challenge with the GPF is that it almost cost as much as the RCD for maybe 50% of the capability and we still have not replaced the MCDV's.

 

[FSTO]

Gen Rouleau put it best in committee back in late Oct - 75% of all future capital spending into the 2030s is earmarked for the Navy and that that 25% for the Army and Air Force combined is completely unsustainable and will not enable a balanced force.

But do we need a balanced force? This is not a bullshit question either.