Continental Defence Corvette

[YZT580]

To be fair that is a political level eff up. That is if the RCN did their job and laid out a detailed reason to said political type, why they needed to go with this idea. If they didn't, then it falls back onto the RCN brass.

Trying to recall 'cause that was a long time ago but didn't Ottawa agree to finish off Ottawa on condition that St. John's would shut down and never build another?

 

[FSTO]

Trying to recall 'cause that was a long time ago but didn't Ottawa agree to finish off Ottawa on condition that St. John's would shut down and never build another?

That would be a monumental stupid idea and totally in line with government thinking.


Also for the good citizens of New Brunswick its Saint John. St. John`s is full of people who talk funny.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Trying to recall 'cause that was a long time ago but didn't Ottawa agree to finish off Ottawa on condition that St. John's would shut down and never build another?

That is so fucked up. So likely true.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Trying to recall 'cause that was a long time ago but didn't Ottawa agree to finish off Ottawa on condition that St. John's would shut down and never build another?

Yes, the government gave them money to ‘Make It So”. (TNG fan boy here)

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

It's important to remember that there was supposed to be a batch III of Halifax's, IIRC stretched from the original to have 24 VLS Mk41 cells in front of the bridge for SM2's, but when the Mulroney government put out his White paper on defense calling for nuclear attack submarines, that batch was cancelled to be replaced with the subs. Then the wall fell down, the world changed and the White paper - in the middle of a recession - was forgotten, but the Batch III never reinstated. Mulroney retired, Kim and her conservatives were wiped out by Chretien, and he was just has happy as could be to not reinstate the ships the Navy then said they should get back since the submarines were canned, to placate his finance minister that was tasked with cutting the deficit.

 

[NavyShooter]

Actually. The SM2 version might have been one option. There was another option, and the ships were actually fitted/wired for some of the other option.

Option 2 was a mid-ships extension with an extra set of 8 Sea Sparrow launchers on each side added. How do I know? If you visit the EIC compartment, and look at the power panels for the Static Frequency Converters, they had an 'expansion' slot marked on one of the panels for the extra 400Hz power systems for the extra missiles.

 

[Underway]

The ICT for PRO class is pretty cool.

Basically an FPS with out the S.

Any news on if we are doing KYSBs for them ?

That reminds me, i owe you an answer and error file for the ICT.

KYSB have been developed (by PRO Ships Staff) but they are very large. Once we figure out printing we'll share.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That reminds me, i owe you an answer and error file for the ICT.

KYSB have been developed (by PRO Ships Staff) but they are very large. Once we figure out printing we'll share.

You do ?

 

[Underway]

You do ?

Yep. You'll need it to avoid getting lost the first two months.

 

[Frank Farang]

It isn't an either/or debate. The last time Canada considered seaborne operations was the CAST combat group and that basically soured DND on the concept.

Thanks for mentioning this, I'd never heard of the CAST group before.

From what I've read, it sounds like it was a halfhearted attempt at mimicking the American ARG / MEU concept, but without the critical ingredient of proper amphibious ships.

I wonder if this is something that could be resurrected in partnership with the JEF group?

It'd be a big stretch for Canada to operate an ARG on its own right now, but I think its a worthy goal for a nation that's trying to become a genuine 'middle power'

Some learned experience with some Brit and/or Dutch amphib vessels would go a long way to figuring out how to make the Arctic Mobile Base concept more viable. (An idea I like, but acknowledge is a generation away in terms of tech and doctrine)

Maybe working with the SouKs on an ice class design of the Makassar class would be a reasonable first step, and valuable contribution to JEF?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Thanks for mentioning this, I'd never heard of the CAST group before.

From what I've read, it sounds like it was a halfhearted attempt at mimicking the American ARG / MEU concept, but without the critical ingredient of proper amphibious ships.

I wonder if this is something that could be resurrected in partnership with the JEF group?

It'd be a big stretch for Canada to operate an ARG on its own right now, but I think its a worthy goal for a nation that's trying to become a genuine 'middle power'

Some learned experience with some Brit and/or Dutch amphib vessels would go a long way to figuring out how to make the Arctic Mobile Base concept more viable. (An idea I like, but acknowledge is a generation away in terms of tech and doctrine)

Maybe working with the SouKs on an ice class design of the Makassar class would be a reasonable first step, and valuable contribution to JEF?

I was in Norway with the AMF (L) in the winter of '86 when we got word that the Canadians' CAST had 'chickened out'. One of the three Bns in the AMF Bde was an RCR unit, but still... the scorn was palpable.

Meanwhile, the USMC were offloading crap tons worth of tanks, APCs etc ...