COT

[HeWhoShallNotBeNamed]

Hello everyone,

just wondering if anyone has any insight into COT process and what the limitations are if your on a PCAT or TCAT, the canforgen doesn't specify either but the DAOD specified a no go for TCATs

 

[Jarnhamar]

Hello everyone,

just wondering if anyone has any insight into COT process and what the limitations are if your on a PCAT or TCAT, the canforgen doesn't specify either but the DAOD specified a no go for TCATs

The minimum medical standards for occupations play a strong role in the COT process. Even if you have a TCat or PCat what really matters is whether your MELs and medical category profile allow you to meet your trade’s essential tasks, deployabilityand universality of service.

Based on your posting you hurt yourself on SQ, potentially didn't pass your trade course, and are now looking at different trades?


In another post you mentioned:

My tcat is just for "PT at own pace" due to a herniated disc from a SQ course last year I'm still fully operational otherwise.

Can easily get removed I'd imagine once reviewed

If you just have a tcat for pt at own pace talking about a COT seems out of place. Why would you need a COT if you're just doing PT at your own place? Story is missing some parts.

 

[HeWhoShallNotBeNamed]

The minimum medical standards for occupations play a strong role in the COT process. Even if you have a TCat or PCat what really matters is whether your MELs and medical category profile allow you to meet your trade’s essential tasks, deployabilityand universality of service.

Based on your posting you hurt yourself on SQ, potentially didn't pass your trade course, and are now looking at different trades?


In another post you mentioned:



If you just have a tcat for pt at own pace talking about a COT seems out of place. Why would you need a COT if you're just doing PT at your own place? Story is missing some parts.

Lots of back story and SQ injured me for life. But I'm still able to be operational and I could pass a FORCE test right now if I wanted too not that they are hard or anything lol and I'm currently enrolled In the hardest course book wise in the CAF so they say, I haven't been recoursed or anything as of yet but have a PRB coming up and I know what my 3 options will be and I'm also aware that a TCAT blacklists you from vot of COT until lifted.

I guess I'm wondering what a Pcat would do? At this point I've been in the military just shy of a few months from two years and this has been my first time on course because BTL wait times are insane and the multi factor fuckery that goes on admin wise which any seasoned caf member recognizes.

Nonetheless I digress. I just want a new start In a new trade cause this sure as shit isn't what I signed up for even though I worked as acting lacking corporal for the last year and a half leading, teaching, completeing tasks wirh precision and diligence that's what I love. But I'm not book smart enough to complete the course even though I can do the job lol anyways sorry for the rant.

As they say if you aren't griping are you really even in the military? Haha

 

[HeWhoShallNotBeNamed]

The minimum medical standards for occupations play a strong role in the COT process. Even if you have a TCat or PCat what really matters is whether your MELs and medical category profile allow you to meet your trade’s essential tasks, deployabilityand universality of service.

Based on your posting you hurt yourself on SQ, potentially didn't pass your trade course, and are now looking at different trades?


In another post you mentioned:



If you just have a tcat for pt at own pace talking about a COT seems out of place. Why would you need a COT if you're just doing PT at your own place? Story is missing some parts.

Also I'm being semi vague to retain anonymity my apologies.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Lots of back story and SQ injured me for life.

Sounds like a tough course. The CAF may not want to retain someone who is injured for like and will likely spend a lot of time at appointmentd and on MELs.

But I'm still able to be operational and I could pass a FORCE test right now if I wanted too not that they are hard or anything lol

Is your FORCE test current or are you expired?

and I'm currently enrolled In the hardest course book wise in the CAF so they say, I haven't been recoursed or anything as of yet but have a PRB coming up and I know what my 3 options will be and I'm also aware that a TCAT blacklists you from vot of COT until lifted.

Yeah, not saying you're guilty of this but lots of people use TCats to hide behind thinking it can protect them working in their trade until they can jump in another one.

Essentially you're not able to change trades while you're on a T-cat.

P-cats are tricky because depending on what you get a p-cat for it can cause you to violate UoS and you get the boot.

If you can't pass your trade course you might be given an opportunity to COT to a different trade. It's not automatic.

Generally you don't pick what trade you're sent to. You may be given 3 different options which will depend on things like CAF manning (and your medical category). If you don't agree to one of the 3 trades you're offered you're shown the door.

I worked as acting lacking corporal for the last year and a half leading, teaching

What were you teaching?

 

[PuckChaser]

You can't VOT without a FORCE test. You've also likely lost that avenue by potentially being performance dropped from your trade course. A COT because you couldn't complete the academic work is not a good look, and you will get whatever options the CAF is willing to give you. A real medical COT has more doors open. If you cannot meet the minimum trade requirements of any trade, you'll sit on BTL until you get a PCAT.

Your TCAT isn't "PT at own pace", it has numbers that are changing your medical profile. If you are never capable of organized PT again, that suggests to me you have a permanent injury that may result in a 3B release.

I'll be super honest with you, nobody cares that you were an "acting corporal" if you performance fail your course. You need to sort that portion out and be focused on a good and honest representation at your PRB.

 

[HeWhoShallNotBeNamed]

Sounds like a tough course. The CAF may not want to retain someone who is injured for like and will likely spend a lot of time at appointmentd and on MELs.


Is your FORCE test current or are you expired?


Yeah, not saying you're guilty of this but lots of people use TCats to hide behind thinking it can protect them working in their trade until they can jump in another one.

Essentially you're not able to change trades while you're on a T-cat.

P-cats are tricky because depending on what you get a p-cat for it can cause you to violate UoS and you get the boot.

If you can't pass your trade course you might be given an opportunity to COT to a different trade. It's not automatic.

Generally you don't pick what trade you're sent to. You may be given 3 different options which will depend on things like CAF manning (and your medical category). If you don't agree to one of the 3 trades you're offered you're shown the door.


What were you teaching?

I have a valid force test, and the TCAT was issued by MO I never asked for it there's nothing to hide behind I still go to PT during course times and always went before 5 days a week all while on TCAT they still course loaded me while on it so it had no bearing on any of that nor did I want it to, im very capable of my own PT routine instead of the high knees and kettle bell nonesene PSP does and again im in better shape than most ive seen in my two years in.

with a COT the policy states you get to pick 3 trades just like a VOT But you can only pick from a shortened list but yes depending on my injury that list may be limited.

My main goal is to serve and carry on this, life is what I want it's given me everything and in return I want to give everything I have back.

I love the CAF it has many downfalls but the people, enviroment make the life worth it etc it's where I want to be im just trying my best to gather information before my PRB and make sure I'm ready for any scenario and was hoping someone in a similar situation could provide some insight.

And yes I've done my digging on DWAN and found policies for COT but it doesnt explicitly say anything about PCAT and i even went as far to decrypt my tcat numbering and theres nothing alarming pointinf toward release. My next move will likely be HRA or Supply Tech at this point I just want to do my job serve well and go home to my family as much as I can.

 

[HeWhoShallNotBeNamed]

You can't VOT without a FORCE test. You've also likely lost that avenue by potentially being performance dropped from your trade course. A COT because you couldn't complete the academic work is not a good look, and you will get whatever options the CAF is willing to give you. A real medical COT has more doors open. If you cannot meet the minimum trade requirements of any trade, you'll sit on BTL until you get a PCAT.

Your TCAT isn't "PT at own pace", it has numbers that are changing your medical profile. If you are never capable of organized PT again, that suggests to me you have a permanent injury that may result in a 3B release.

I'll be super honest with you, nobody cares that you were an "acting corporal" if you performance fail your course. You need to sort that portion out and be focused on a good and honest representation at your PRB.

It literally says PT at own pace and frequency and I've decoded the numbering system as it's available on DWAN and there's nothing alarming there pointing toward release im still capable of serving no 3B in sight. And they course loaded me while on this TCAT so that must say something right?

And your right no one cares about what I've done so far in the military lol nor do I need recognition for it but it's a point worth making on here to give some context.

I'm just looking for advice and seeing if anyone has gone through anything similar my main goal is to serve and give back as much as I can and try to be prepared for this upcoming PRB.

 

[HeWhoShallNotBeNamed]

Sounds like a tough course. The CAF may not want to retain someone who is injured for like and will likely spend a lot of time at appointmentd and on MELs.


Is your FORCE test current or are you expired?


Yeah, not saying you're guilty of this but lots of people use TCats to hide behind thinking it can protect them working in their trade until they can jump in another one.

Essentially you're not able to change trades while you're on a T-cat.

P-cats are tricky because depending on what you get a p-cat for it can cause you to violate UoS and you get the boot.

If you can't pass your trade course you might be given an opportunity to COT to a different trade. It's not automatic.

Generally you don't pick what trade you're sent to. You may be given 3 different options which will depend on things like CAF manning (and your medical category). If you don't agree to one of the 3 trades you're offered you're shown the door.


What were you teaching?

Also I should mention I know someone's whos untrained PCAT for mental health retained and this person has been in for 3 or 4 years now. Geographic limitation, mental health issues will never deploy but still retained.