CP-140 Aurora

[dimsum]

BZ Demons!

(Time to get Fincastle's heart beating again...)

The Comox Officer's Mess PMC is probably having heart palpitations right now after the last time in 2008.

 

[Ping Monkey]

The Comox Officer's Mess PMC is probably having heart palpitations right now after the last time in 2008.

Hide the piano!!

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Gee I wonder if Canada will also pick up German P-3's or even better yet really old French Atlantique 2 (sarcasm mode)

German Defence Ministry dismisses French offer of pre-loved submarine hunters

France's proposed four Atlantique 2 planes don't fit the bill in Germany's quest for an interim maritime-patrol and submarine-hunting capability.

www.defensenews.com

 

[FSTO]

Gee I wonder if Canada will also pick up German P-3's or even better yet really old French Atlantique 2 (sarcasm mode)

German Defence Ministry dismisses French offer of pre-loved submarine hunters

France's proposed four Atlantique 2 planes don't fit the bill in Germany's quest for an interim maritime-patrol and submarine-hunting capability.

www.defensenews.com

We've got dibs on the New Zealand P3's already.

 

[MTShaw]

We've got dibs on the New Zealand P3's already.

It will likely be a Saab C4I Global Eye Bomardier based plane because it’s Canadian and it’s more sophisticated that P8 which is just a over grown MPA with shitty range and loitering capability.

 

[dimsum]

It will likely be a Saab C4I Global Eye Bomardier based plane because it’s Canadian and it’s more sophisticated that P8 which is just a over grown MPA with shitty range and loitering capability.

If you're referring to the Saab ASW platform, they stopped marketing it in 2018.

Saab puts marketing effort for Swordfish maritime plane on hiatus

Why is Saab stepping away from its sub-hunting aircraft concept?

www.defensenews.com

 

[Kirkhill]

Where do High Altitude Pseudo Satellites (HAPS) like the AirBus Zephyrs fit into the spectrum, along with Satellites, Micro-Satellites, HALEs, MALEs, MRPAs and F35s? And I include the F35 as part of the ISTAR spectrum advisedly.



And is there room for something like this?

Flight of Icarus: Canadian company proposes multi-role tactical aircraft - Skies Mag

Montreal, Quebec-based Icarus Aerospace opens up about its Tactical Air Vehicle platform as it seeks government funding and market traction.

skiesmag.com

 

[Eye In The Sky]

P8 which is just a over grown MPA with shitty range and loitering capability.

ah hum

What is an overgrown MPA? I've been on P-8s...that's not the word I think of when I describe them.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

And is there room for something like this?

No for 'any/all things MPA'...if we're going to take on baby/fake MPAs, I'll take a CASA 235 over some paper airplane. MAISR is already sourced...

 

[MTShaw]

If you're referring to the Saab ASW platform, they stopped marketing it in 2018.

Saab puts marketing effort for Swordfish maritime plane on hiatus

Why is Saab stepping away from its sub-hunting aircraft concept?

www.defensenews.com

Not that one, this one

 

[Weinie]

That.

 

[Kirkhill]

No for 'any/all things MPA'...if we're going to take on baby/fake MPAs, I'll take a CASA 235 over some paper airplane. MAISR is already sourced...

Seen.

Just saying, in a world of overlapping capabilities and platforms, manned and unmanned, it must be getting harder to justify any particular part of the spectrum as being critical. Redundancy is a great thing to have in any system. Unless it is your job.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Just me (waving from the foul-smelling tactical level ) perhaps, but...with MAISR and (hopefully...someday....) RPAS, this should allow our small LRP fleet to divorce itself from future overland 'stuff' like OUP/IMPACT and work the battlespace it is intented for.

That TAV might have a use...but not in the RCAF (as I see it, but I consider myself a little scope-locked if I am honest) and not in MAG.

 

[CBH99]

It will likely be a Saab C4I Global Eye Bomardier based plane because it’s Canadian and it’s more sophisticated that P8 which is just a over grown MPA with shitty range and loitering capability.

I don't have any experience in the MPA world, but a few folks on here do. Personally, I haven't heard anything but good things about the P-8 thus far? Seems like a Boeing project that - compared to many of their others - went fairly smoothly, with satisfied operators?

If Bombardier actually took the initiative on ANYTHING, they could have produced an AWACs or MPA variant of one of their aircraft, like the Swedes did with the Swordfish.

Replace the Auroras with an aircraft manufactured in Canada (once verified it can meet the military's requirements, if it could.) Great optics for a political party, actually helps support Canadian jobs, it's in Quebec, and there is very much a market for smaller & more affordable, yet sophisticated aircraft of that type, globally. Even if they only got a few orders a year or so, it's still more planes being built and more money coming into the country.


Ofcourse, that would require Bombardier to take the initiative & some bold steps. Sooooooo...

 

[Ping Monkey]

Or, while waiting for an MPA replacement, just add maritime requirements & capability into the (soon-ish) expected RPA. Perhaps one that is already performing integration exercises with the USN and allies?

Unmanned aerial vehicle SeaGuardian operates with naval assets - Naval News

The U.S. Navy demonstrated the successful integration of an unmanned maritime surveillance aircraft system with manned capabilities during the Unmanned Systems Integrated Battle Problem 21 (UxS IBP 21) off the coast of San Diego, April 21.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Or, while waiting for an MPA replacement, just add maritime requirements & capability into the (soon-ish) expected RPA. Perhaps one that is already performing integration exercises with the USN and allies?

Wait...aren't we supposed to wait for the system to be outdated before we procure/employ it? Like Link 16?

 

[Good2Golf]

...Replace the Auroras with an aircraft manufactured in Canada (once verified it can meet the military's requirements, if it could.) Great optics for a political party, actually helps support Canadian jobs, it's in Quebec, and there is very much a market for smaller & more affordable, yet sophisticated aircraft of that type, globally. Even if they only got a few orders a year or so, it's still more planes being built and more money coming into the country.


Ofcourse, that would require Bombardier to take the initiative & some bold steps. Sooooooo...

...or...de Havilland?

 

[Kirkhill]

Wait...aren't we supposed to wait for the system to be outdated before we procure/employ it? Like Link 16?

Thanks for the reminder. Redundancy is not a Canadian concept.

 

[MTShaw]

I don't have any experience in the MPA world, but a few folks on here do. Personally, I haven't heard anything but good things about the P-8 thus far? Seems like a Boeing project that - compared to many of their others - went fairly smoothly, with satisfied operators?

If Bombardier actually took the initiative on ANYTHING, they could have produced an AWACs or MPA variant of one of their aircraft, like the Swedes did with the Swordfish.

Replace the Auroras with an aircraft manufactured in Canada (once verified it can meet the military's requirements, if it could.) Great optics for a political party, actually helps support Canadian jobs, it's in Quebec, and there is very much a market for smaller & more affordable, yet sophisticated aircraft of that type, globally. Even if they only got a few orders a year or so, it's still more planes being built and more money coming into the country.


Ofcourse, that would require Bombardier to take the initiative & some bold steps. Sooooooo...

They are in use with Swedes and have been proposed to the Fins through their HX program. Also

 

[dimsum]

Not that one, this one

That is an AEW&C (AWACS) platform. The Aurora was never (and is not) that.

That has not been a CAF capability since...ever.