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CPC Leadership Discussion 2020-21

brihard

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Jarnhamar said:
You mean 25 years to get a pension, don't you?

Members of Parliament become eligible to receive a pension after six years of service. The formula for the benefit is a mess to figure out, but they receive a very generous pension benefit. They also pay something like 18% of their salary in pension contributions, so at least there’s that.
 

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PuckChaser said:
I'd argue MacKay has a better chance than Scheer simply because the Liberals wouldn't be able to use the media to push a strawman argument of a Tory attack on Abortion/LGBT Marriage.

Even though MacKay (or Ambrose) has more charisma and personality that the current cardboard cutout leading the CPC, I doubt any of them can unseat the Trudeau cult in power now.  Any CPC leader tied to even loosely to the Harper era will give rise to the very successful right wing bogeyman messaging we just endured from the Liberal a few short days ago.
 

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Haggis said:
Any CPC leader tied to even loosely to the Harper era will give rise to the very successful right wing bogeyman messaging we just endured from the Liberal a few short days ago.
Especially any CPC leader who won't look the more extreme right elements of the party straight in the eye and say, "STFU; that isn't who we are."  Waffling by saying "I won't open that can of worms.... but hey, if any back benchers want to, who am I to critique" lost him a bunch of credibility.
 

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Journeyman said:
Especially any CPC leader who won't look the more extreme right elements of the party straight in the eye and say, "STFU; that isn't who we are."  Waffling by saying "I won't open that can of worms.... but hey, if any back benchers want to, who am I to critique" lost him a bunch of credibility.

An interesting article on that right wing/ evangelical Christian thing:


Canada’s marginal ‘Christian right’ 

Jonathan Malloy received funding from the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada to conduct research on this topic. He has an evangelical Christian background but is not affiliated with any of the organizations in this article.

The political power of the American Christian right naturally leads to interest and speculation about the influence of similar groups in Canada. But social conservatives and evangelical Christians are a marginal force in Canadian politics, even in the Conservative party. And research finds their dynamics here are quite different than in the United States.

Is there a Canadian Christian right at all? Yes and no.

The Christian right is closely associated with evangelical Christianity, and perhaps 10 to 15 per cent of Canadians (depending on the survey method) are evangelical Christians. Nearly all are strongly conservative on issues of reproduction and sexuality. But their broader political views vary considerably. Few would support “dominionist” ideas of imposing a theological state.


http://theconversation.com/canadas-marginal-christian-right-121024
 

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Without trying to sound too negative, MacKay is a leader from two "generations" ago, leading the Progressive Conservatives into a merger with Reform, and then leaving politics as Stephen Harper took the helm of the Conservative Party...

Interesting perspective. You make it sound like MacKay just rolled up and quietly left town.

Others will view him as having be formative to consolidating center-to-right voters by supporting Harper in a mutually-agreed merge which included an arrangement for Harper to lead the first couple of sessions, but MacKay to lead thereafter for the next couple of sessions of the Cons continued. They did, but Harper reneged on his deal with MacKay, and kept the crown.  MacKay has never done anything other than be a solid supporter of center-near right views and a well-respected Senior Cabinet Minister (Foreign Affairs and Defence)...certainly not a weak skulker who couldn’t live up to expectations.

:2c:

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G2G
 

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Brihard said:
Members of Parliament become eligible to receive a pension after six years of service. The formula for the benefit is a mess to figure out, but they receive a very generous pension benefit. They also pay something like 18% of their salary in pension contributions, so at least there’s that.

Mean while an MPP in Ontario- not even close to the Federal plan or even public servants: https://www.tvo.org/article/the-surprising-reason-you-shouldnt-complain-about-mpps-pension-plans
 

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Cloud Cover said:
Mean while an MPP in Ontario- not even close to the Federal plan or even public servants: https://www.tvo.org/article/the-surprising-reason-you-shouldnt-complain-about-mpps-pension-plans

Members of Toronto Council are enrolled in the City’s pension plan.
 

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Elizabeth May has stepped down as leader of the Green Party.  Maybe this will prompt Andrew Scheer to step aside as well in the CPC?
 

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Maybe.

I think he's going to wait until the leadership review in April to decide.  if the Sharks are circling he won't give them the satisfaction. 

The longer he stays on though, the more damage he'll be doing to the party.  It's already starting to show.  The sooner they can reset the dial the sooner they can be ready for the next election. 

Plus he needs time to find a new residence if he steps down.  He's lived in public housing for a very long time.  Finding a home for a family of 6 is not cheap.
 

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Haggis said:
Elizabeth May has stepped down as leader of the Green Party.  Maybe this will prompt Andrew Scheer to step aside as well in the CPC?

Is anyone starting starting a pool on how long it will take before a Liberal government appoints her to the Senate?
 

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RangerRay said:
Is anyone starting starting a pool on how long it will take before a Liberal government appoints her to the Senate?

She stated she would remain as a Member of Parliament.
 

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Old Sweat said:
She stated she would remain as a Member of Parliament.

...until appointed to the Senate!  :)

She turned the Green Party into a personality cult and has been carrying water for the Liberals for long time.  I can only see this as her jockeying for an appointment by a Liberal government (might not be this one).

It would also explain why she self-sabotaged her party's campaign on Vancouver Island when the NDP slandered the Green's position on reproduction rights, and she chose to ignore it.  She couldn't possibly be that naive.
 

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RangerRay said:
Is anyone starting starting a pool on how long it will take before a Liberal government appoints her to the Senate?

As long as she is helping to prop up the LPCs they won't want her gone.  That being said no one steps down without an exit strategy.  I would likely see her get an ambassadorship to Norway or some other eco friendly nation.  The green's have always called for an elected senate.  Taking a patronage senate appointment would show she's a hypocrite on that front and destroy the Green's take on that if she took or lobbied for that. 
 

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Remius said:
As long as she is helping to prop up the LPCs they won't want her gone.  That being said no one steps down without an exit strategy.  I would likely see her get an ambassadorship to Norway or some other eco friendly nation.  The green's have always called for an elected senate.  Taking a patronage senate appointment would show she's a hypocrite on that front and destroy the Green's take on that if she took or lobbied for that.

That would mean she would have to have give up her seat which would result in an by-election. Could another another Green member win the seat? May yes, may be no. And considering they only have three seats in Parliament would they risk losing that one?
 

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Remius said:
As long as she is helping to prop up the LPCs they won't want her gone.  That being said no one steps down without an exit strategy.  I would likely see her get an ambassadorship to Norway or some other eco friendly nation.  The green's have always called for an elected senate.  Taking a patronage senate appointment would show she's a hypocrite on that front and destroy the Green's take on that if she took or lobbied for that.

But she’s not helping prop up the LPC. Mathematically the Greens are non-players in our new Parliament, other than in the exceptionally unlikely case where a confidence matter is left by the BQ AND the NDP as a free vote. Bloody unlikely, given how very strategic election timing is.

Regarding appointments- the government’s reform of federal appointments to require transparency in applications and processes extends to senate seats. The Senate is now a job you apply for just like any other federal commission, tribunal, or board. https://www.canada.ca/en/campaign/independent-advisory-board-for-senate-appointments/current-processes.html
 

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RangerRay said:
Is anyone starting starting a pool on how long it will take before a Liberal government appoints her to the Senate?

Umm....never.  Senators are no longer "appointed" by the PM
 

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First of all, Senators were never appointed by the PM, they were appointed by the GG, on advice from the Privy Counsel.

And they still are.

The current method is still appointment. The process set up by the Trudeau LPC government to advise them on how to advise the GG is neither grounded in a statute nor in regulation, so it is neither binding, nor has it any statutory right to continue to exist should the LPC change its mind on process at any point.
 

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Looks like Scheer is staying on and looks like he isn't willing to change either.

The CPC must really like LPC governments...

Hopefully in the spring the party as a whole will vote to get rid of him but I'm not confident that will happen.

Not sure if anyone saw his press conference when asked if he thought homosexuality was a sin.  His look and avoiding the question is exactly why he will lose again if he runs for PM.

 
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