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Dion loses Outremont to NDP in Quebec bi-election

I've heard Dion saying on TVA : " all of the Liberal Party chiefs became Prime Minister, except on in the 19th century,
that left his place to somebody else. I Intend to become Prime minister to help citizens be more richs, more green ... ".

Even considering the cut that television make of speechs, I now consider him an ... alien .

And I don't mean someone coming from another country ...

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While the results are interesting, these are by elections, and things can and will change a lot between now and a presumptive non confidence vote in October. The opposition might decide they do not have the financial or other resources to run an election and decline to vote against the government, for example. Expect the unexpected.

Watch and shoot!
 
IN HOC SIGNO said:
Agreed...a by election is one thing...the real test will be if Mulcair can hold the riding when there is a general election. It will be the same in the other ridings as well. I don't know what the coverage was like locally but it took a lot of digging on the internet to find any coverage of the by elections at all.

The National had good coverage on their evening news and Radio Canada Telejournal was all over the results.
My take is with Geo. Outremont - popular candidate, Bagot barely hung on as Bloc and Roberval was all about cuts in the forest industry.
As has been said Duceppe was a big loser and Layton shouldn't be looking for any Quebec ground swell of support.
Ref Dion, it is too late for the Liberals to change leaders for the next election so they better unite behind him
 
Baden  Guy said:
The National had good coverage on their evening news and Radio Canada Telejournal was all over the results.
My take is with Geo. Outremont - popular candidate, Bagot barely hung on as Bloc and Roberval was all about cuts in the forest industry.
As has been said Duceppe was a big loser and Layton shouldn't be looking for any Quebec ground swell of support.
Ref Dion, it is too late for the Liberals to change leaders for the next election so they better unite behind him

cool...I'm really looking forward to watching the train wreck that Dion will make of his national campaign.  ;D
 
IN HOC SIGNO said:
cool...I'm really looking forward to watching the train wreck that Dion will make of his national campaign.  ;D

You don't have to wait long!

<a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070919/Omar_Khadr_070919/20070919?hub=TopStories">Dion meets with Khadr lawyers, calls for action</a>
 
Longer term implications for Liberals. They really have to start looking outward if they want to remain a viable force in Canadian politics, otherwise, I will stand on my prediction that the left wing Liberal supporters will migrate farther left to the NDP and Greens, and the Liberal party will disintegrate. (sub prediction; there may be a residual or rump "Liberal Party" attempting to appeal to centrist voters, but that part of the political spectrum will be occupied by the CPC for a long time to come....)

http://bctory.blogspot.com/2007/09/couldnt-have-said-it-better-myself

Tuesday, September 18, 2007
The Liberal Road To Redemption
So: Quebec byelections. The Tories pummel the Bloc in Roberval, taking 59% of the vote and jump 12% to come in a close second in St-Hyacinthe. And Outremont? Well, let’s let Cherniak tell the story:

    9:10

    We're winning in Outremont and close to 10% in the other ridings.

    9:15

    We're losing.

I have to say, the sight of Dion coming into the Liberal campaign office - I can’t believe he showed up, to be honest - to flank his defeated candidate along with what looked like half his caucus, was just plain weird. I don’t know whether to be impressed or nauseated by the ability of the Liberals in that room to mug for the cameras. I mean, the whole situation just seemed surreal. Here’s the mighty Liberal Party, packing its dwindling number of diehards into a room to cheer themselves hoarse for an embarrassing Montreal byelection defeat in a fortress riding, while in Opposition, with a Quebec leader, to a party that’s only won one seat in Quebec ever. And that’s just in Montreal. Elsewhere in the province, they are essentially a non-factor, getting their ass handed to them by a Conservative Party that is, by all accounts, offside with Quebeckers on such big-ticket policy issues as Kyoto and Afghanistan. Up is down, day is night. That is, if you subscribe to the whole Quebeckers-are-all-social-democrats-at-heart paradigm that so many political scientists have been peddling for years.

Which brings us to the NDP. Isn’t this proof, the argument goes, that an NDP breakthrough in Quebec is imminent? I wouldn’t go that far, but even if it is, I say: good stuff. Because in the two primary and distinct political universes that Quebec is composed of - Montreal, and not-Montreal - the NDP and Tories are not fighting over very much of the same political real estate. So if the Dippers want to usurp formerly Liberal territory in Montreal, they’re welcome to it. Any successful federalist alternative to the Liberals in Quebec is a positive development. I wouldn’t even be surprised if there were Tory staffers working on Mulcair’s campaign last night.

The attention of the media seems to be focusing on what all of this means for Stephane Dion, and I’ll get to him in a moment. But whether it’s caucus members parading in front of the cameras with a forced smile, or Libloggers frantically groping for some alignment-of-the-stars explanation that allows these results to be dismissed as a freak accident, I’m convinced that the Liberals as a party still refuse to contemplate the possibility that they might require a fundamental re-orientation. It was sponsorship, they used to say, nothing more. Then it was their divided house. Then it was “Canadians just need to get to know Dion”. Apparently, many of them sincerely believe it’s all just a bad dream - these byelections are just the latest nightmare - from which they will eventually awake, if they just wait long enough.

The liberal movement in Canada is a different animal than it’s American counterpart, but I daresay they share at least one common trait: presumptuousness. Anyone who’s a conservative but doesn’t openly advertise it knows what I’m talking about. You’re at a party, or maybe making small talk with co-workers. The subject turns loosely to politics. Somebody makes a crack about the need to get rid of Harper. A couple heads nod vaguely, others give no reaction. Why would the anti-Harperite make such a statement? It’s not to generate debate. It’s because to him (or her) it’s like making fun of Paris Hilton or Michael Jackson. It’s easy, and it’s obvious to them that it should be uncontroversial. Because everyone thinks Paris Hilton is a skank, and everyone thinks Michael Jackson is a weirdo. And to the liberal mind, it’s so obvious that Harper’s so awful, that it’s just assumed everyone else in the room is going to agree. I can say with certainty, no conservative - unless perhaps they’re at the Albany Club, or they’re being deliberately provocative - drops such opinions about liberals casually into a crowd of nonpartisans, because they know that not everyone in the circle is going to share their view, i.e. at least somebody in earshot will be a liberal. But for liberals, its as if conservatives are mythical creatures that exist somewhere out there, but never in the next cubicle or the next house on the block. Geography is partly to blame: to the liberal mind, conservatives are only supposed to live in places like Medicine Hat and Brandon and Owen Sound. And Jonquiere. And tiny obscure, backwater outposts no one has ever heard of like Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa and Quebec City. You know - places with small people and small minds - unlike the sophisticates of Toronto or Vancouver or Montreal, whose inhabitants are increasingly used by liberals as a euphemism for “Canadians”. It’s as if the rest of the country doesn’t even exist, and if it does, their views don’t represent Canadians on account of, well, the fact that they don’t share the views of Torontonians or Vancouverites or Montrealers.

This is what is killing the Liberal Party (indeed, it has already emasculated the NDP, which is why that party’s appeal is now largely restricted to the downtown cores of these cities). It’s not that their views are “wrong” (I think they are, but that’s just my opinion). It’s that they don’t seem to consider the possibility that reasonable people could disagree with them without being deranged in some way. They have no interest in understanding why anyone would take a different view, and so instead immediately attack anyone who says such things as “I care about the environment but Kyoto seems impossible to meet” or “I dislike war but I think Afghanistan is a good cause” as being idiots. Conservatives might get angry at liberals, but at least they aren’t shocked that liberals exist.

Macro-trends aside, the most sobering development of the last nine months has to be the re-invention of Stephane Dion as a barking partisan. Here is a man who has devoted his life to the federalist cause, and was widely respected across partisan lines during his time as a cabinet minister. Winning the Liberal leadership as an underdog over such powerhouses as Michael Ignatieff and Bob Rae was a feel-good story, a triumph of the Liberal grassroots, a chance for the Grits to have a man of quiet demeanour but intelligence and thoughtfulness lead their party.

But instead of changing the party, the party changed him. Dion now drops such phrases as “climate change denier” and “George Bush” with the ease of Joe Volpe or Denis Coderre. Like the responsible student who wants to study, but gets dragged out to a party by his friends and is forced to funnel a dozen beers, the intentions were good, but the consequences are bad. Add on the devastating ad campaign by the Tories to label him as “not a leader”, designed to flip his one unassailable virtue - his soft demeanour - into a negative, and what’s left?

Can Dion rehabilitate his image? Yes. But not in six months, and obviously not by carrying on as he has thus far. And if the Liberals want to re-emerge as the dominant force in politics in this country, they are going to have to admit something they don’t want to: that Stephen Harper as Prime Minister isn’t the worst thing in the universe. They don’t have to stop disliking him. They don’t have to stop trying to get rid of him. But they do have to admit that Canada will not be in some unrecognizable, irreparable state if he remains in power for, God forbid, another five or six years. Because only once they focus their attention on repairing their own weaknesses, rather than knee-jerk opposition to everything that comes out of Harper’s mouth, will they begin to reconnect with the public.

I support my party, and I admit to pangs of schadenfreude when I see Liberals in disarray. But I am a democrat before I’m a Tory, and as much as an endless string of default Tory election wins might suit my own preferences, it would ultimately weaken the democratic process in reflecting the will of the people.

The results of yesterday's byelection are in part the consequence of Liberal drift. They would do well to convert it into the catalyst for serious introspection.

posted by ALW at 6:39 PM
 
So, was this a "bi-election" or a byelection?  >:D
What I note:
  • The conservative candidate in that winning riding was the only candidate of the three winners to get over 50%
  • The conservative candidate in the riding that the Bloc won was a very close second
  • The liberal election plan is coming together like a train wreck
 
Mortarman Rockpainter said:
So, was this a "bi-election" or a byelection?   >:D
What I note:
  • The conservative candidate in that winning riding was the only candidate of the three winners to get over 50%
  • The conservative candidate in the riding that the Bloc won was a very close second
  • The liberal election plan is coming together like a train wreck

It's been mentioned, but remember that about 40 of the Bloc riding's in the last election, lost out to Conservatives with a close second.

It will be interesting to see how that translates the next time around.
 
Very good blog that's quoted there. I'm in a school setting right now where a lot of the instructers are "liberal," civil servants. They tend to talk about Harper as a caricature..."oh he's mini-Bush." "He's anti-woman." "He's anti-Atlantic Canada." All stock phrases and mumbo jumbo which the left has managed to sell to those who are left leaners. I asked my teacher one day why she thought he was "mini-Bush" she replied that he is just aping Bush by buidling up the military and being in Afghanistan. I asked her if she realised that the Afghanistan mission was a UN sanctioned NATO mision which the Liberals signed us on for...she was dumb struck and hasn't said a word about the PM or the war since.
Odd isn't it that a woman teaching in a CF language school didn't know the origins of the mission?
 
IN HOC SIGNO said:
Odd isn't it that a woman teaching in a CF language school didn't know the origins of the mission?
Not that I expect every government employee to support the government in every one of its decisions, but one would expect government employees to be those other than sandal wearing granola munching neo-commies.

That's right, Neo-commie.  >:D
 
InHocSigno,

That's the one that bugs me most......."mini Bush"

That describes a refusal to think about Harper but it also describes
a refusal to consider GW on his merits.  -  talk about a prejudice.
Aren't liberals supposed to be the "open minded" set?
It tells me, "don't bother me with facts, I've made up my mind".

For the record, if someone has a comment about a policy or action, fine,
articulate that.  But I keep hearing nonsense about GWB and Harper.

My peev - I'm over it , I guess......


 
Rick Mercer's rant on Dion  ;D

http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/video_player.html?rant_mar13
 
Flip said:
InHocSigno,

That's the one that bugs me most......."mini Bush"

That describes a refusal to think about Harper but it also describes
a refusal to consider GW on his merits.  -  talk about a prejudice.
Aren't liberals supposed to be the "open minded" set?
It tells me, "don't bother me with facts, I've made up my mind".

For the record, if someone has a comment about a policy or action, fine,
articulate that.  But I keep hearing nonsense about GWB and Harper.

My peev - I'm over it , I guess......

Hence the bottom of my sig line.
 
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