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Drug use/drug testing in the CF (merged)

It‘s almost as if alcohol is so woven into our society (and Army culture even more so), that people are blind to its negative effects. Every single week of my life I see it causing bad things to happen: drunk drivers everyday on the news, people drunk at the bars fighting, causing vandalism, go to any convienance store at night and chances are that you will see some intoxicated guys come in and steal or treat the staff like ****.

What about people getting drunk and making asses of themselves? Girls/guys getting drunk, and taken advantage of? Ive seen people drunk, punching hole after hole in their apartment walls because they thought it was funny. Throwing rocks at cars, and smashing signs with baseball bats.

Alcoholism is a major problem in society today. Look at any case of domestic disturbance, child abuse, etc etc, and its almost assured that alcohol will be involved somewhere.

Should alcohol be illegal? **** no, I love the stuff, and I believe that in a free society, the honus should be on the individual to make the right decisions and live responsibly.

What if "big brother" (AKA the governement), came in and said that tobbaco should be banned? Look at the billions of dollars in healthcare that cigarette smoking saps. **** , same for alcohol - insurance, hospital treatment, addiction counselling etc. Why draw the line there? Obese people are also drawing tax dollars? Maybe the government should step in and limit daily calorie intake.

In a liberal democracy, we should be expected to live as responsible adults. Again, if you can go hard all weekend, partying it up, and still do your job on monday, who the **** cares what you were doing?

What you have to remember is that we live in a free society, and as soldiers I would expect you to recognize how important that is. Has the blood of your forefathers spilt in the name of liberty and freedom been wasted?
 
"Should alcohol be illegal? **** no, I love the stuff, and I believe that in a free society, the honus should be on the individual to make the right decisions and live responsibly."

That‘s my point about pot. We live in a free society and should be able to make that choice for ourselves: and not have big brother say it‘s bad for us.
 
And we as a society should be able to decide that paying for your pathetic need for artifical stimulus should in no way require us to pay for your health care when the inevitable consequences catch up to you...
 
Mr. Dorash,
yes you are right, its a "catch 22". Where do you draw the line? The government must be careful as to not undermine the very fundamentals that our society is based upon, ie; freedom. What should be allowed and what shouldnt? Perhaps their should be more responsibility regarding healthcare, dare I say "privatized". Should junkies that overdosed on something like heroin be accountable for full bills incurred during treatment? Should they be denied admittance to hospitals at all?

It is a difficult situation, how about the same rules applied to people suffering from alcohol poisoning where they might need their stomach pumped. Or extreme sports junkies who injur themselves bungie-jumping, motorcycling, or even playing hockey.

I guess what I am saying is that much of the problems associated with personal responsibility would be weeded out if we were more accountable. This should elimate concerns with alcohol vs marijauna vs tobbaco, etc...
 
I love when people bring alcohol into the mix.

Two wrongs don‘t make a right.
 
Wrong. I know a lot of people who don‘t do drugs who agree with decriminalization. Plus, I‘ve seen many on T.V. in news stories and so forth.
How many potheads do you know that want to keep it a criminal offence?

I can‘t wait to be debating with you guys one day on why we should decriminalize cocaine possession. It‘ll happen, because that is the next mainstream drug. 16 year olds in high school now snort cocaine as a party drug.

So we can agree to disagree. There is a line drawn in the sand and I feel comfortable with where I stand, do you?
 
"And we as a society should be able to decide that paying for your pathetic need for artificial stimulus should in no way require us to pay for your health care when the inevitable consequences catch up to you..."

So Mr. Dorosh, are you going to include in that group of poor choices, people who sit on a$$ all day and eat fast food because its easier. All the while knowing that‘s making them fat, un-healthy, and will send them to health care all that much faster. Though health problems don‘t come cheap. What about the people, who knowly put there life at risk doing sports like football, mountain biking riding, skiing, etc... one mistake and it‘s our tax dollars that pay for it.

"Should junkies that overdosed on something like heroin be accountable for full bills incurred during treatment? Should they be denied admittance to hospitals at all?"

Answer is yes, but the same could be said for someone who is over 450 pounds, or dying of lung cancer because they smoked for how many years.

Everyone pays for other people‘s consequences... it doesn‘t what you do... your going use them. And just to point out if smoke pot once and while its not going to wreck your health, and like wine it might even be good for you.


"I guess what I am saying is that much of the problems associated with personal responsibility would be weeded out if we were more accountable."

That right then only the rich will get the correct health care and the rest of will only get what we can afford. Have you looked at US style health care? For the avenge Joe, its no better our system, and way more expensive. Or have you not noticed that.

So far I haven‘t read one reason that can stick for pot being illegal. Its no different than many other artificial stimulus that we humans put into our bodies. Have you looked at what goes into the turkey we‘ll all eating this weekend. The drugs should make you sick. But hey this about the pot, not industrial farming. Now that should be illegal.
 
How many potheads do you know that want to keep it a criminal offence?
I dont know what you mean by that response to the statement I made that I know a lot of people "who don‘t do drugs" and lots of other non users on T.V. who would like to see it decriminalized.
To answer the question anyway, I don‘t know anyone who smokes pot that would like to see it stay a criminal offence. What‘s the point you are making?

As for waiting to debate us on the topic of decriminalization of cocaine, you‘d better not hold your breath. The government isn‘t full of drug dealing conspirators, they aren‘t going to legalize narcotics any time soon.
You understand that marijuana and alcohol have similar physiological effects, and that neither produce phychotic effects, except in rare cases, and usually only if there is a previous history of drug use or head injury, right?
Cocaine is a manufactured and refined narcotic that often results in psychotic episodes, seizures, and in some cases death due to heart attack. Not to mention that it is extremely addictive. Marijuana? safe on all counts. Alcohol? almost, but it too is highly addictive.

You‘re comparing apples to oranges.
And everyone stop trying to say that it costs you money for people to smoke pot. It costs more money for people to drink and smoke. Alcoholics spend millions in treatment centers, detox, and take up hospital beds sometimes for months as they die from liver and heart disease. I just read a report from the ministy of health that stated in British Columbia a couple of years ago, that alcohol was a direct cause in over 50% of the violent crime cases handled by the R.C.M.P. (just over 4000 cases) We pay those salaries. I‘d rather see them track down cocaine dealers than spend time cleaning up the mess made by people who get violent when they drink, or by people who kill families while they drink and drive.
Don‘t even get me started on the insurance rates being so much higher due to drinking drivers.
 
"I can‘t wait to be debating with you guys one day on why we should decriminalize cocaine possession"

Its sad you have to jump to the extreme in order to try to defend your position. There is nothing similar about pot and cocaine. This line of argument is very similar to the one‘s used in the gay marriage debate, when they try it( gay marriage) to PAEDOPHILES.... it just doesn‘t work.
 
Radiohead,
Is it such a stretch? Years ago they never believed that pot would be decriminalized. But how times change. So what‘s to stop us from years down the road decriminalizing the next drug in line. And what will the arguments be? "Well, alcohol and smoking can be just as harmful and costs the taxpayers just as much so..." You get the point? Where do we draw the final line? We‘ve got to stop setting temporary legal boundaries. Yes, alcohol and tobacco are both dangerous substances. But, adding a third (and in the future a fourth, fifth, sixth, etc) substance to the mix isn‘t exactly the solution. Society is busy now trying to clean up the mess caused by smoking and drinking via anti-smoking laws and cracking down on drunk driving and rightfully so.

With regards to others who are in favour of decriminalization, I‘m curious because every point that‘s been argued has referred to how harmless marijuana is. Well do you actually think that pot is a productive substance? That good old Billy smoking a doob after school will be that much smarter and motivated? Okay, make sure you let your kids know that you think pot smoking is a-okay, I‘m sure they‘ll love you for it. Just don‘t piss and moan when they‘re over 30, still living in your basement, eating your lucky charms.
But hey, don‘t worry, they won‘t have a record.
 
Granted we are against dope.
But what about f!@#$ing your buddy?

That was illeagal but it‘s allowed now but you can‘t love your girl friend in your own room!

But you can have a sex change and then also f&^k your buddy!

Now that Pot may become leagal what will D.N.D. do?Will D.N.D. member‘s have the same right‘s as civies in regard‘s to the law?

As we all know overseas we are alway‘s lectured and reminded of how we still come under the Criminal Code of Canada when it come‘s to our action‘s,so does that mean we can live by the new drug laws?

Were do we draw the line?
 
Really good points.
But with alcohol, everbody always brings it up, that it‘s so bad blah blah blah, pot isnt that much worse, while we‘re at it, let‘s compare it to smoking.
Alcohol is the same with anything really...it all depends on how you use it. Yes countless people die of drunk driving, relationships are ruined, people act like idiots. But how many people die in car crashes, with nothing to do with substance abuse? Is that to say that we should ban cars? And you cannot say that people high off pot act their best either. Look at the new laws in BC for driving. You can‘t drive without someone with their full class 5 licence who is 25 or over untill you‘re 17. And even when you get your N you are only aloud to drive with you and one other person, discounting immediate family. You have to have your N for 2 years. All in all, three years before you can drive normally. No more being the DD for your buds untill your 19.
We as a society have to realise that people will die from stupid preventable things. You can‘t put laws around everything to stop things. People are still going to ride bicycles without helmets, **** em. And my family is Scottish, thus a **** of a lot of drinking. My family is the closest knit, and funnest family to be around that i know. A lot of the times I‘d rather party with my family over my friends. You can‘t say that alcohol makes bad people. Guns dont kill people, people kill people. ;)

Cheers :D
 
the new driving laws in BC are f*ucking retarded. if somebody is goign to drive drunkenly home from a party, are they really going to prevent thier drunken buddies from getting in the car? the only thing that the new laws are going to do is prevent me from learning in british columbia


i‘ve got another address in alberta, hopefully it‘ll be better there...
 
Actually you can say alcohol makes bad people. Drunk guys have date raped women for years. Alcoholics screw over their friends families and co-workers all the time. People who are certain that they will drink responsibly, end up driving and murdering people with their cars. Thats not a bad thing happening to a good person. Thats a good person made bad by alcohol.

I wouldn‘t say that marijuana isn‘t much worse than alcohol. I‘d say its better. People don‘t become as intoxicated, people don‘t get violent on pot, and it‘s not physically addicting.

As for legalizing cocaine. It‘s never going to happen. Theres no need to be dramatic about the line in the sand. Thats just a paranoid argument by people who don‘t know thing 1 about marijuana. Some people still seem to be trapped in the "reefer madness" propaganda stage with their views on pot. You know, the movie where marijuana users get jacked up on pot and drive their cars like maniacs, and one guy turns into an axe murderer?

It‘s funny that people are so complacent about alcohol, yet they get so steamed about people being high. The fact is they‘ve probably hit up on chicks, or chatted with "real stand up guys" who were baked and they never even knew it. Most of the time you can‘t even tell that someone is high, (unless they are 15 and won‘t stop laughing). Can you tell when someone is drunk? Almost always, unless they are a real pro drunk. They are almost always obnoxious and annoying, sometimes rowdy and violent. Go tell my kids its ok to smoke pot? I‘ll be sure to do that before I ever tell them to go out drinking illegaly. Kids don‘t die from a night out smoking pot with their friends.
 
I am not being paranoid.

I just don‘t want the country I‘ve dedicated my life to serving to change into something like Amsterdam.

It was funny, I was driving through East Hastings in Vancouver the other day with a friend who lived in Europe for a year. She said the east end of Vancouver was mild compared to that "showpiece of tolerance and freedom" in the Netherlands."
 
AWell I see no-one bothered to read the link I posted. Nice work.

Herre it is again with some hilights copied and pasted for those of you who can‘t be bothered to educate themselves...I guess you‘re all high eating Lucky Charms in your parent‘s basements.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/ille-e/rep-e/summary-e.htm


Ø The size of the national production has significantly increased, and it is estimated that 50% of cannabis available in Canada is now produced in the country;

Ø The main producer provinces are British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec;

Ø Estimates of the monetary value of the cannabis market are unreliable. For example, if 400 tons are grown yearly in Canada, at a street value of $225 per ounce, the total value of the Canadian production would be less than $6 billion per year, less than the often quoted value of the BC market alone;

Ø An unknown proportion of national production is exported to the United States; and

Ø A portion of production is controlled by organized crime elements.

Ø In its natural state, cannabis contains between 0.5% and 3% THC. Sophisticated growing methods and genetic progress have made it possible to increase THC content in recent years, but it is impossible to estimate the average content of cannabis available in the market; it is reasonable to consider that content varies between 6% and 31%.

Ø THC is fat soluble and readily spreads in the innervated tissues of the brain; it reaches a peak in the blood plasma in less than nine minutes and falls to approximately 5% after one hour.

Ø The body is slow to eliminate THC and inactive THC metabolites can be detected in urine up to 27 days after use in the case of regular users.

Ø Psychoactive effects generally last two to three hours and may last as many as five to seven hours after use.

Ø The epidemiological data available indicates that close to 30% of the population (12 to 64 years old) has used cannabis at least once;

Ø Approximately 2 million Canadians over age 18 have used cannabis during the previous 12 months, approximately 600,000 have used it during the past month, and approximately 100,000 use it daily. Approximately 10% used cannabis during the previous year; and

Ø Use is highest between the ages of 16 and 24.

For youth in the 12-17 age group, we observed that:

Ø Canada would appear to have one of the highest rates of cannabis use among youths;

Ø Approximately 1 million would appear to have used cannabis in the previous 12 months, 750,000 in the last month and 225,000 would appear make daily use; and

Ø The average age of introduction to cannabis is 15.

Ø Most experimenters stop using cannabis;

Ø Regular users were generally introduced to cannabis at a younger age. Long-term users most often have a trajectory in which use rises and falls;

Ø Long-term regular users experience a period of heavy use in their early 20s;

Ø Most long-term users integrate their use into their family, social and occupational activities; and

Ø Cannabis itself is not a cause of other drug use. In this sense, we reject the gateway theory.

Ø Cannabis itself is not a cause of delinquency and crime; and

Ø Cannabis is not a cause of violence.

Ø The immediate effects of cannabis are characterized by feelings of euphoria, relaxation and sociability; they are accompanied by impairment of short-term memory, concentration and some psychomotor skills; and

Ø Long term effects on cognitive functions have not been established in research.


Ø Most users are not at-risk users insofar as their use is regulated, irregular and temporary, rarely beyond 30 years of age;

Ø For users above 16, at-risk use is defined as using between 0.1 to 1 gram per day; and

Ø Available epidemiological data suggests that approximately 100,000 Canadians might be at-risk users.

Ø The Committee feels that, because of its potential effects on the endogenous cannabinoid system and cognitive and psychosocial functions, any use in those under age 16 is at-risk use.

Ø More than one gram per day over a long period of time is heavy use, which can have certain negative consequences on the physical, psychological and social well-being of the user. According to the epidemiological data available, there is reason to believe that approximately 80,000 Canadians above age 16 could be excessive users;

Ø For those between the ages of 16 and 18, heavy use is not necessarily daily use but use in the morning, alone or during school activities;

Ø Heavy use can have negative consequences for physical health, in particular for the respiratory system (chronic bronchitis, cancer of the upper respiratory tract);

Ø Heavy use of cannabis can result in negative psychological consequences for users, in particular impaired concentration and learning and, in rare cases and with people already predisposed, psychotic and schizophrenic episodes;

Ø Heavy use of cannabis can result in consequences for a user's social well-being, in particular their occupational and social situation and their ability to perform tasks; and

Ø Heavy use of cannabis can result in dependence requiring treatment; however, dependence caused by cannabis is less severe and less frequent than dependence on other psychotropic substances, including alcohol and tobacco.

Ø Between 5% and 12% of drivers may drive under the influence of cannabis; this percentage increases to over 20% for young men under 25 years of age;

Ø Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving. Cannabis leads to a more cautious style of driving. However it has a negative impact on decision time and trajectory. This in itself does not mean that drivers under the influence of cannabis represent a traffic safety risk;

Ø A significant percentage of impaired drivers test positive for cannabis and alcohol together. The effects of cannabis when combined with alcohol are more significant than is the case for alcohol alone;

Ø Despite recent progress, there does not yet exist a reliable and non intrusive rapid roadside testing method;

Ø Blood remains the best medium for detecting the presence of cannabinoids;

Ø Urine cannot screen for recent use;

Ø Saliva is promising, but rapid commercial tests are not yet reliable enough;

Ø The visual recognition method used by police officers has yielded satisfactory results; and

Ø It is essential to conduct studies in order to develop a rapid testing tool and learn more about the driving habits of cannabis users.


Ø There are clear, though non-definitive indications of the therapeutic benefits of marijuana in the following conditions: analgesic for chronic pain, antispasm for multiple sclerosis, anticonvulsive for epilepsy, antiemetic for chemotherapy and appetite stimulant for cachexi;

Ø There are less clear indications regarding the effect of marijuana on glaucoma and other medical conditions;

Ø Marijuana has not been established as a drug through rigorous, controlled studies;

Ø The quality and effectiveness of marijuana, primarily smoked marijuana, have not been determined in clinical studies;

Ø There have been some studies of synthetic compounds, but the knowledge base is still too small to determine effectiveness and safety;

Ø Generally, the effects of smoked marijuana are more specific and occur faster than the effects of synthetic compounds;

Ø The absence of certain cannabinoids in synthetic compounds can lead to harmful side effects, such as panic attacks and cannabinoid psychoses;

Ø Smoked marijuana is potentially harmful to the respiratory system;

Ø People who smoke marijuana for therapeutic purposes self-regulate their use depending on their physical condition and do not really seek the psychoactive effect;

Ø People who smoke marijuana for therapeutic purposes prefer to have a choice as to methods of use;

Ø Measures should be taken to support and encourage the development of alternative practices, such as the establishment of compassion clubs;

Ø The practices of these organizations are in line with the therapeutic indications arising from clinical studies and meet the strict rules on quality and safety;

Ø The studies that have already been approved by Health Canada must be conducted as quickly as possible;

Ø The qualities of the marijuana used in those studies must meet the standards of current practice in compassion clubs, not NIDA standards;

Ø The studies should focus on applications and the specific doses for various medical conditions; and

Ø Health Canada should, at the earliest possible opportunity, undertake a clinical study in cooperation with Canadian compassion clubs.

Ø Public opinion on marijuana is more liberal than it was 10 years ago;

Ø There is a tendency to think that marijuana use is more widespread and that marijuana is more available than it used to be;

Ø There is a tendency to think that marijuana is not a dangerous drug;

Ø The concern about organized crime is significant;

Ø Support for medical use of marijuana is strong;

Ø There is a tendency to favour decriminalization or, to a lesser degree, legalization;

Ø People criticize enforcement of the legislation in regards to simple possession of marijuana; and

Ø There is a concern for youth and children

Ø Canada urgently needs a comprehensive and coordinated national drug strategy for which the federal government provides sound leadership;

Ø Any future national drug strategy should incorporate all psychoactive substances, including alcohol and tobacco;

Ø To be successful, a national drug strategy must involve true partnerships with all levels of government and with non-governmental organizations;

Ø Over the years, the intermittency of funding has diminished the ability to coordinate and implement the strategy; adequate resources and a long-term commitment to funding are needed if the strategy is to be successful;

Ø Clear objectives for the strategy must be set out, and comprehensive evaluations of these objectives and the results are required;

Ø At the developmental stage, there is a need to identify clear and shared criteria for “success”;

Ø The core funding for the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse (CCSA) has been insufficient for it to carry out its mandate; proper funding for the CCSA is essential;

Ø There is a need for an independent organization - the CCSA - to conduct national surveys at least every second year; there is also a need to achieve some level of consistency, comparability and similar time frames for provincially-based school surveys;

Ø Coordination at the federal level should be given to a body that is not an integral part of one of the partner departments; and

Ø Canada's Drug Strategy's should adopt a balanced approach - 90% of federal expenditures are currently allocated to the supply reduction.

Ø Early drug legislation was largely based on a moral panic, racist sentiment and a notorious absence of debate;

Ø Drug legislation often contained particularly severe provisions, such as reverse onus and cruel and unusual sentences; and

Ø The work of the Le Dain Commission laid the foundation for a more rational approach to illegal drug policy by attempting to rely on research data. The Le Dain Commission‘s work had no legislative outcome until 1996 in certain provisions of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, particularly with regard to cannabis.


Ø The MMAR are not providing a compassionate framework for access to marijuana for therapeutic purposes and are unduly restricting the availability of marijuana to patients who may receive health benefits from its use;

Ø The refusal of the medical community to act as gatekeepers and the lack of access to legal sources of cannabis appear to make the current regulatory scheme an “illusory” legislative exemption and raises serious Charter implications;

Ø In almost one year, only 255 people have been authorized to possess marijuana for therapeutic purposes under the MMAR and only 498 applications have been received - this low participation rate is of concern;

Ø Changes are urgently needed with regard to who is eligible to use cannabis for therapeutic purposes and how such people gain access to cannabis;

Ø Research on the safety and efficacy of cannabis has not commenced in Canada because researchers are unable to obtain the product needed to conduct their trials;

Ø No attempt has been made in Health Canada's current research plan to acknowledge the considerable expertise currently residing in the compassion clubs;

Ø The development of a Canadian source of research-grade marijuana has been a failure.


Ø The annual cost of drug enforcement in Canada is estimated to be between $700 million and $1 billion;

Ø Reduced law enforcement activities resulting from amendments to the drug legislation on cannabis could produce substantial savings or a significant reallocation of funds by police forces to other priorities;

Ø Due to the consensual nature of drug offences, police have been granted substantial enforcement powers and have adopted highly intrusive investigative techniques; these powers are not unlimited, however, and are subject to review by Canadian courts;

Ø Over 90,000 drug-related incidents are reported annually by police; more than three-quarters of these incidents relate to cannabis and over 50% of all drug-related incidents involve possession of cannabis;

Ø From 1991 to 2001, the percentage change in rate per 100,000 people for cannabis-related offences is +91.5 - thus, the rate of reported cannabis-related offences has almost doubled in the past decade;

Ø The number of reported incidents related to the cultivation of cannabis increased dramatically in the past decade;

Ø Reported incident rates vary widely from province to province;

Ø Cannabis was involved in 70% of the approximately 50,000 drug-related charges in 1999. In 43% of cases (21,381), the charge was for possession of cannabis.;

Ø The rate of charges laid for drug offences vary significantly from province to province;

Ø The uneven application of the law is of great concern and may lead to discriminatory enforcement, alienation of certain groups within society, and creation of an atmosphere of disrespect for the law; in general, it raises the issue of fairness and justice; and

Ø Statistics on seizure seem to confirm an increase in cannabis cultivation in Canada and also a shift in police priorities regarding this offence.

Ø The cost of prosecuting drug offences in 2000-2001 was $57 million with approximately $5 million or roughly 10% of the total budget relating to prosecuting cannabis possession offences;

Ø In 1999, it was estimated that Canadian criminal courts heard 34,000 drug cases, which involved more than 400,000 court appearances;

Ø The Drug Treatment Court initiatives seem very encouraging, although comprehensive evaluations are needed to ensure such programs are effective;

Ø Disposition and sentencing data with respect to drug-related offences are incomplete and there is an urgent need to correct this situation;

Ø Correctional Service Canada spends an estimated $169 million annually to address illicit drugs through incarceration, substance abuse programs, treatment programs and security measures; expenditures on substance abuse programs are unreasonably low, given the number of inmates who have substance-abuse dependence problems;

Ø A criminal conviction can negatively affect a person's financial situation, career opportunities and restrict travel. In addition, it can be an important factor in future dealings with the criminal justice system; and

Ø Provincial courts of appeal have so far maintained the constitutionality of cannabis prohibition. They have found that because there is some evidence of harm caused by marijuana use that is neither trivial nor insignificant, Parliament has a rational basis to act as it has done, and the marijuana prohibition is therefore consistent with the principles of fundamental justice in section 7 of the Charter. These decisions have been appealed, and the Supreme Court of Canada will soon decide whether cannabis prohibition is constitutionally sound.

Ø Prevention is not designed to control but rather to empower individuals to make informed decisions and acquire tools to avoid at-risk behaviour;

Ø A national drug strategy should include a strong prevention component;

Ø Prevention strategies must be able to take into account contemporary knowledge about drugs;

Ø Prevention messages must be credible, verifiable and neutral;

Ø Prevention strategies must be comprehensive, cover many different factors and involve the community;

Ø Prevention strategies in schools should not be led by police services or delivered by police officers;

Ø The RCMP should reconsider its choice of the DARE program that many evaluation studies have shown to be ineffective;

Ø Prevention strategies must include comprehensive evaluation of a number of key elements;

Ø A national drug strategy should include mechanisms for widely disseminating the results of research and evaluations;

Ø Evaluations must avoid reductionism, involve stakeholders in prevention, be part of the program, and include longitudinal impact assessment;

Ø Harm reduction strategies related to cannabis should be developed in coordination with educators and the social services sector; and

Ø Harm reduction strategies related to cannabis should include information on the risks associated with heavy chronic use, tools for detecting at-risk and heavy users and measures to discourage people from driving under the influence of marijuana.

Ø The expression 'drug addiction' should no longer be used and we should talk instead of substance abuse and dependency;

Ø Between 5% and 10% of regular cannabis users are at risk of developing a dependency;

Ø Physical dependency on cannabis is virtually non-existent;

Ø Psychological dependency is moderate and is certainly lower than for nicotine or alcohol;

Ø Most regular users of cannabis are able to diverge from a trajectory of dependency without requiring treatment;

Ø There are many forms of treatment but nothing is known about the effectiveness of the different forms of treatment for cannabis dependency specifically;

Ø As a rule, treatment is more effective and less costly than incarceration;

Ø Studies of the treatment programs should be conducted, including treatments programs for people with cannabis dependency; and

Ø Studies should be conducted on the interaction of the cannabinoid and the opioid systems.

· The costs associated with all illegal drugs were $1.4 billion, compared with $7.5 billion in the case of alcohol and $9.6 billion in the case of tobacco.

· Expressed as a percentage of the gross domestic product, the total costs for all substances was 2.67%. Of this, 0.2% was for illegal drugs, 1.09% for alcohol and 1.39% for tobacco.

· The principal costs of illegal drugs are externalities, that is, loss of productivity - $823 million, health care - $88 million, and losses in the workplace - $5.5 million, for a total of about 67% of all costs related to illegal drugs.

· The cost of public policies, or opportunity costs, represent about 33%.

· The cost of enforcing the law represents about 29.2% of all costs, or about 88% of all policy costs. The balance goes to prevention, research and administration.

Ø The lack of any real national platform for discussion and debate on illegal drugs prevents the development of clear objectives and measurement indicators;

Ø The absence of a national platform makes exchange of information and best practices impossible;

Ø Practices and approaches vary considerably between and within provinces and territories;

Ø The conflicting approaches of the various players in the field are a source of confusion;

Ø The resources and powers of enforcement are greatly out of balance compared with those of the health and education fields and the civil society;

Ø The costs of all illegal drugs had risen to close to $1.4 billion in 1992;

Ø Of the total costs of illegal drugs in 1992, externalities (social costs) represented 67% and public policy costs 33%;

Ø The social costs of illegal drugs and the public policy costs are underestimated ;

Ø The cost of enforcing the drug laws is more likely to be closer to $1 billion to $1.5 billion per annum;

Ø The principal public policy cost relative to cannabis is that of law enforcement and the justice system; which may be estimated to represent a total of $300 to $500 million per annum;

Ø The costs of externalities attributable to cannabis are probably minimal - no deaths, few hospitalizations, and little loss of productivity;

Ø The costs of public policy on cannabis are disproportionately high given the drug's social and health consequences; and

Ø The Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse is seriously under-funded; its annual budget amounts to barely 0.1% of the social costs of illegal drugs alone (alcohol not included). Its budget should be increased to at least 1%; that is, approximately $15 million per annum.

Ø The series of international agreements concluded since 1912 have failed to achieve their ostensible aim of reducing the supply of drugs;

Ø The international conventions constitute a two-tier system that regulates the synthetic substances produced by the North and prohibits the organic substances produced by the South, while ignoring the real danger the substances represent for public health;

Ø When cannabis was included in the international conventions in 1925, there was no knowledge of its effects;

Ø The international classifications of drugs are arbitrary and do not reflect the level of danger they represent to health or to society;

Ø Canada should inform the international community of the conclusions of our report and officially request the declassification of cannabis and its derivatives.

In our view, it is clear that if the aim of public policy is to diminish consumption and supply of drugs, specifically cannabis, all signs indicate complete failure.

Ø Billions of dollars have been sunk into enforcement without any greater effect. There are more consumers, more regular users and more regular adolescent users;

Ø Billions of dollars have been poured into enforcement in an effort to reduce supply, without any greater effect. Cannabis is more available than ever, it is cultivated on a large scale, even exported, swelling coffers and making organized crime more powerful; and

Ø There have been tens of thousands of arrests and convictions for the possession of cannabis and thousands of people have been incarcerated. However, use trends remain totally unaffected and the gap the Commission noted between the law and public compliance continues to widen.


There is a lot there and basically all I did is copy the point form conclusions from each section.
 
To filter it down even further...

"Thirty years after the Le Dain Commission report, we are able to categorically state that, used in moderation, cannabis in itself poses very little danger to users and to society as a whole, but specific types of use represent risks for users."

"We would add that, even if cannabis were to have serious harmful effects, one would have to question the relevance of using the criminal law to limit these effects. We have demonstrated that criminal law is not an appropriate governance tool for matters relating to personal choice and that prohibition is known to result in harm which often outweighs the desired positive effects."


"Even if cannabis itself poses very little danger to the user and to society as a whole, some types of use involve risks. It is time for our public policy to recognize this and to focus on preventing at-risk use and on providing treatment for excessive cannabis users."

"The prohibition of cannabis does not bring about the desired reduction in cannabis consumption or problematic use. However, this approach does have a whole series of harmful consequences. Users are marginalized, and over 20,000 Canadians are arrested each year for cannabis possession. Young people in schools no longer enjoy the same constitutional and civil protection of their rights as others. Organized crime benefits from prohibition and the criminalization of cannabis enhances their power and wealth. Society will never be able to stamp out drug use – particularly cannabis use."

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These are some of the findings of the SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ILLEGAL DRUGS in SEP002, taken at face value they could be summed to to say there is nothing showing Cannibus is particularly harmful to society or individuals if used in moderation and even if it were using the criminal justice system to fight it isn‘t working and regardless what the US and Mexico thinks we should be doing what‘s best for our citizens.
 
Andyboy,

"Users are marginalized, and over 20,000 Canadians are arrested each year for cannabis possession."

Marginalization in the case of marijuana use is the lack of responsibility and acountability. It‘s like saying "D@mn, I knew it was illegal but I did it anyways and now I have a record and can‘t get a good job." Well, sh!t, you sure stepped on your hammer there, you should have known better.

"Young people in schools no longer enjoy the same constitutional and civil protection of their rights as others."

As who? WHAT? Just what the he11 is this trying to say in relation to the issue here?

"Organized crime benefits from prohibition and the criminalization of cannabis enhances their power and wealth."

Sure it does, I would rather they grow pot than fields of coca plants or setting up meth labs. They‘re gonna make money one way or another, may as well be something "harmless" like pot.

"Society will never be able to stamp out drug use – particularly cannabis use."

No, it won‘t, society won‘t be able to "stamp out" murder either. There‘ll never be a zero crime rate unless you legalize everything.


First of all, why would you trust anything coming off a gov‘t website? Least of all a "study"? Anyone who has ever taken a Statistics or Research Methods course knows that the accuracy of a "study" is relative to it‘s methods, and even then it still is only an educated guess. I especially like the part about public opinion where they say in so many words "We would have done a representative sample (a relatively "accurate" method) but it was too expensive. So we just did focus groups, and read emails and letters." Wow, highly accurate methods. As for the rest of it, there wasn‘t really any epiphanic revelations for me there. What it comes down to is public opinion, and they can‘t even measure that properly. And that is all this mess boils down to, the type of society that Canadians want to live in. All this nonsense aside, take a vote, if Canadians want it decriminalized then do it, otherwise don‘t. Yes, decriminalizing pot "makes sense." But then again, a lot of things make sense, a Communist society in theory "makes sense", doesn‘t mean I want to live in one. This is a democracy, majority rules.


By the way, next time you feel like posting a "study", Andyboy? Save Mr. Bobbitt the drive space, some people actually do read links, I tend to ignore studies because they‘re no better than someones opinion.
 
All these studies on Marijuana are nice, by they focus too narrowly on a single bit of subject matter.

Basically, my whole argument is
DO WE WANT A SOCIETY THAT IS TOLERANT OF DRUG ABUSE?!?

Illegality is my best way of saying no.
 
"Thirty years after the Le Dain Commission report, we are able to categorically state that, used in moderation, cannabis in itself poses very little danger to users and to society as a whole, but specific types of use represent risks for users."
You can say the same bloody thing about alcohol. So stop blaming alcohol. D@mnit, I know a fair amount of people who get violent and do stupid
sh!t and get completly tanked, well they shouldnt be drinking, or drinking like that. They are idiots if they do. He!l, alcohol in moderation like a beer a day is supposed to be good for you. I know more people who can handle their booze, and if they can‘t, they know it and act accordingly, than idiots who abuse it.
 
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