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There is a lot wrong with the Conservative's "law and order" and "security" agendas, including, in my opinion, mandatory sentences and stripping anyone of their citizenship: both are fraught with complexities. (For the record, I believe that citizenship and other rights ought to be somewhere in the "golf bag" of punishments that are available to judges (not to politicians and bureaucrats) for use, at their discretion, when the crime and the offender call for them.

But, I suspect that, like the niqab at citizenship ceremonies (again, for the record, I want the full face visible when giving testimony in a law court and when getting legally valid photo ID), the recent Zakaria Amara (of Toronto 18 fame) case (where his citizenship was revoked under Bill C-24, a law that allows dual citizens convicted as terrorists to be stripped of Canadian citizenship and deported) is very popular with a solid majority of Canadians and M Trudeau is on the wrong side of popular opinion when he disagrees ~ he is, actually closer to my opinion than is the CPC and I applaud him for his courage in taking a nuanced but unpopular position ... but I'm not sure being brave or smart is "good" in a tight election campaign.
 
Normally, I would put this here, in the New, Conservative Foreign Policy thread, but the timing of the leak and the tenor of the "report" both suggest, to me, that it was both written and leaked by angry, anti-Harper civil servants (mid level executives, at a guess) in an effort to help the opposition ... most like in an effort to help the old, familiar, friendly Liberals.

The article is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/leaked-document-says-canadas-world-influence-has-declined/article26556418/
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Leaked internal report warns of Canada's declining world influence

STEVEN CHASE AND SHAWN MCCARTHY
OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail

Published Sunday, Sep. 27, 2015

Canada’s international clout is “under threat” as its honest-broker role is replaced with a more assertive stand that plays down traditional multilateralism, an internal Foreign Affairs briefing document is warning senior federal government insiders.

The presentation, obtained by The Globe and Mail, is stamped “Secret” and was prepared by senior Foreign Affairs officials for a deputy-minister-level meeting Sept. 9. Departmental officials do not lay blame at the feet of the Conservative government, which has run foreign policy for the past nine years, but their analysis echoes criticism of Prime Minister Stephen Harper levelled by ex-diplomats, foreign observers and his political opponents.

“Despite Canada’s reputation as an active player on the world stage, by many measures, its relative influence has declined or is under threat,” they say.

This leak comes just ahead of a major election debate on foreign affairs, a move clearly designed to embarrass the Harper Conservatives as they fight for another term in office.

It also precedes a massive week for geopolitics, with the 70th UN General Assembly in New York that will feature speeches by U.S. President Barack Obama, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping on Monday. Mr. Obama and Mr. Putin will also hold their first formal sit-down in two years, with Moscow’s military intervention in Syria as the main topic.

Canadian deputy foreign affairs minister Daniel Jean will address the assembly on Oct. 3, instead of the Prime Minister or a minister because of the federal election campaign.

Mr. Harper, the Conservative Leader, will take on Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau and the New Democratic Party’s Thomas Mulcair Monday evening for a debate hosted by the Munk Debates.

The crisis in Syria will certainly be a major focus as Canada has joined the United States in bombing Islamic State targets in that country, and now Russia is increasing its military support for the existing Assad regime, which the West opposes. Mr. Harper faced an uproar earlier this month over the government’s refugee policy after a Canadian connection emerged to the image of three-year-old Syrian refugee Alan Kurdi lying dead on a Turkish beach.

Mr. Mulcair and Mr. Trudeau have also accused the Conservative government with diminishing Canada’s reputation abroad by backing military rather than diplomatic approaches, and shortchanging international aid and diplomacy. Several former diplomats have complained about Mr. Harper’s unquestioning support for Israel’s hard-line Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and his abandonment of the Canada’s peacekeeping role.

The Conservatives are unapologetic about shifting Ottawa’s international priorities, and have often butted heads with diplomats at the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development. “I think Canada is more relevant, broadly speaking,” Defence Minister Jason Kenney told The Globe and Mail this summer. “I think we’re on the right side of history when it comes to some of these issues.”

Foreign Affairs is arguably the department that has offered the most resistance to the Harper era, chafing at the shift in its mandate and the black-and-white world view the Conservative Leader expresses on some international affairs. Conservative government officials regularly express exasperation when talking privately about Canadian diplomats and what they consider a “go along to get along” approach to global affairs that is risk averse and values harmonious relations with other countries above advancing Canadian interests.

Foreign Affairs, like all departments, is busy drawing up briefing books to be presented to whomever serves as foreign affairs minister, and international trade minister, after the Oct. 19 federal election.

The presentation, called “Canada’s International Policy: Strategic Questions in a Changing Global Context,” notes that Canada has traditionally been regarded as a “middle power,” “honest broker” or “principled actor” in foreign policy, one ready to use soft power in tandem with other countries to “lead/shape/influence” on the global stage. Ottawa has historically used its influence through key multilateral organizations such as the United Nations, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the Group of 20, the Commonwealth, la Francophonie, the document says.

But things are changing, the Foreign Affairs briefing warns. The examples include:

    “Loss of our traditional place at some multilateral tables.”
    “Canada may not be a ‘partner of first choice’ ” for foreign countries.
    “Declining market share in emerging markets,” meaning Canada is failing to sufficiently build commercial ties with fast-developing countries.
    “New donor countries are emerging and Canada’s relative [official development assistance] is declining,” meaning as Ottawa has restrained foreign aid, other international actors such as China have hiked international assistance to expand their global influence.

In 2010, Canada and the Conservative government were humbled when it lost out in voting to win a temporary seat at the UN Security Council, a failure critics blamed on the Tories’ unflinching support for Israel, its reduction in the number of African countries receiving aid and what they called its foot-dragging approach to fighting climate change.


Canada's influence has, indeed, declined amongst three "blocks:" the Africans, the Arabs and the Latin Americans. It is, in my guesstimation, largely unchanged amongst the Europeans (down, a bit, in Western Europe, up a lot in Eastern Europe) and Asians and may be "up" just a bit with the Americans. I'm not so sure our "stature" in Africa or the Middle East and West Asia is a matter of any real concern. America matters, Asia matters, Europe matters ...

I am also a wee, tiny bit worried about diminished foreign aid: not because it actually helps the wretched of the earth, it rarely does any real good, but, rather, because it is the normal, accepted grease for the wheels of diplomacy and trade. In other words, we bribe dictators and princes in order to secure markets for our goods and support (or protection) for our interests.

That being said, the report, in my opinion, is a partisan, political hatchet job designed and leaked by the civil service in order to help defeat the government. It ranks as fair to half decent politics; but very unprofessional public service.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
...That being said, the report, in my opinion, is a partisan, political hatchet job designed and leaked by the civil service in order to help defeat the government. It ranks as fair to half decent politics; but very unprofessional public service.

Yes, a "fail" indeed.  Perhaps someone needs a refresher in their institution's expected ethical conduct.

Values and Ethics Code for the Public Sector - Expected Behaviour

Federal public servants are expected to conduct themselves in accordance with the values of the public sector and these expected behaviours.
1.Respect For Democracy◦Public servants shall uphold the Canadian parliamentary democracy and its institutions by:
◦1.1 Respecting the rule of law and carrying out their duties in accordance with legislation, policies and directives in a non-partisan and impartial manner.
◦1.2 Loyally carrying out the lawful decisions of their leaders and supporting ministers in their accountability to Parliament and Canadians.
◦1.3 Providing decision makers with all the information, analysis and advice they need, always striving to be open, candid and impartial.

2.Respect For People◦Public servants shall respect human dignity and the value of every person by:
◦2.1 Treating every person with respect and fairness.
◦2.2 Valuing diversity and the benefit of combining the unique qualities and strengths inherent in a diverse workforce.
◦2.3 Helping to create and maintain safe and healthy workplaces that are free from harassment and discrimination.
◦2.4 Working together in a spirit of openness, honesty and transparency that encourages engagement, collaboration and respectful communication.

3.Integrity◦Public servants shall serve the public interest by:
◦3.1 Acting at all times with integrity and in a manner that will bear the closest public scrutiny, an obligation that may not be fully satisfied by simply acting within the law.
◦3.2 Never using their official roles to inappropriately obtain an advantage for themselves or to advantage or disadvantage others.
◦3.3 Taking all possible steps to prevent and resolve any real, apparent or potential conflicts of interest between their official responsibilities and their private affairs in favour of the public interest.
◦3.4 Acting in such a way as to maintain their employer's trust.

4.Stewardship◦Public servants shall use resources responsibly by:
◦4.1 Effectively and efficiently using the public money, property and resources managed by them.
◦4.2 Considering the present and long-term effects that their actions have on people and the environment.
◦4.3 Acquiring, preserving and sharing knowledge and information as appropriate.

5.Excellence◦Public servants shall demonstrate professional excellence by:
◦5.1 Providing fair, timely, efficient and effective services that respect Canada's official languages.
◦5.2 Continually improving the quality of policies, programs and services they provide.
◦5.3 Fostering a work environment that promotes teamwork, learning and innovation.
 
Here's a new, fairly large (n=3,000+ respondents) poll from ABACUSDATA:

         
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It is, still, a very tight, three way race, but, it's beginning to look as if the NDP peaked too soon (late Aug) and the Liberals are unable to gain any traction. That does not mean the Conservatives are a shoo-in ... there are three weeks to go and plenty of those interesting "events" might be waiting in the wing for all three parties.
 
George Wallace said:
Someone actually leaked a "SECRET" document, and no one seems concerned about this Security infraction?  Someone's job should be on the line right now.

This, "SecureDrop" service is featured, often prominently, on the Globe and Mail's website. Other media outlets almost certainly have similar services ... I haven't bothered to look.

Leaking is, sadly, part of politics and policy development in Washington, London, Canberra and Ottawa, too. It's too safe, too easy and, too often even (tacitly) encouraged by management. "If the politicians leak then," some public servants say to themselves, "why shouldn't I, to set the record straight, to give the public the facts?"
 
Retired AF Guy said:
Except that their great leader has already stated that under no circumstances will they support the Conservatives.
perhaps when they review the books following the election they might find that there are areas where they could agree not to disagree quite so vehemently?
 
George Wallace said:
Someone actually leaked a "SECRET" document, and no one seems concerned about this Security infraction?  Someone's job should be on the line right now.
If it's a public servant, I guess s/he didn't attend the mandatory two-day Values & Ethics training shortly after this :tsktsk:
E.R. Campbell said:
Leaking is, sadly, part of politics and policy development in Washington, London, Canberra and Ottawa, too. It's too safe, too easy and, too often even (tacitly) encouraged by management. "If the politicians leak then," some public servants say to themselves, "why shouldn't I, to set the record straight, to give the public the facts?"
Ah, "Yes, Minister," again comes to the rescue ....
That's another of those irregular verbs, isn't it? I give confidential press briefings; you leak; he's being charged under .... the Official Secrets Act.
 
I beleive the more appropiate would be

Sir Humphrey: Bernard, Ministers should never know more than they need to know. Then they can't tell anyone. Like secret agents; they could be captured and tortured.
Bernard: [shocked] You mean by terrorists?
Sir Humphrey: [seriously] By the BBC, Bernard.


Or possibly:

Sir Humphrey: Open government, Prime Minister. Freedom of information. We should always tell the press freely and frankly anything that they could easily find out some other way.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
It's always important to remember that Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister, were documentaries, not comedies.
So I've heard from former senior provincial and federal officials ....
 
Some specific to Foreign PolicyDefence/the CF data from a recent Angus Reid poll on election issues:

         
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John Ibbitson, writing in his Campaign Notebook, in the Globe and Mail, says that:

    Nik Nanos:  “Conservatives and Liberals in a tight national race – NDP trend down in Ontario.”

          > Conservatives: 33 per cent (up 2.0 from last week)

          > NDP: 26.9 per cent (down 2.2 from last week)

          > Liberals: 31.6 per cent (up 2.2 from last week)

          > Green: 3.6 per cent (down 1.9 from last week)

          > Bloc: 4.2 per cent (up 0.4 from last week)

The margin of error is 2.8 points. .
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Some specific to Foreign PolicyDefence/the CF data from a recent Angus Reid poll on election issues:

         
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Interesting use of colour in the graphic.  I see a "Conservative "C" at 61%".  A subliminal message?  >:D
 
Still on foreign policy, and specifically on Canada-US relations, this article, which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail looks at the campaign ramifications of our most important, arguable only really important, bilateral relationship:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/reviving-canada-us-relations-no-easy-task/article26555907/
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Reviving Canada-U.S. relations no easy task

CAMPBELL CLARK
The Globe and Mail

Last updated Monday, Sep. 28, 2015

Back in 2005, when Stephen Harper was running in the election that would bring him to power, relations with the United States were a big part of the campaign. Not so now. And Mr. Harper doesn’t talk about Washington in the same way at all.

Now, as party leaders prepare for Monday night’s Munk Debate on foreign policy, there’s been little focus on relations with the United States, still our dominant trading partner, our biggest security partner, the only country Canada borders and the biggest power in the world.

This at a time when high-level relations have been unusually cool for two friends, and some veteran U.S. watchers think it won’t be simple to warm them up again. Hillary Clinton has announced that she, too, would reject Keystone XL pipeline, for example. Yet Canada-U.S. relations haven’t sparked much campaign drama.

It’s not an easy issue. Mr. Harper no longer can easily claim, as he once did, that being a good ally helps Canada gain cross-border concessions. Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau criticizes Mr. Harper for botching Keystone – but does he really have a recipe for bringing cross-border benefits? And New Democratic Party Leader Thomas Mulcair has said relatively little about it.

In the 2005-06 campaign, it was Liberal Paul Martin who pushed the United States into view with some uncharacteristically sharp anti-U.S. rhetoric intended to portray Mr. Harper as a toady to George W. Bush’s America.

Mr. Harper had previously accused the Liberals of damaging Canada’s interests by failing to work with its ally. He had written a Wall Street Journal op-ed in 2003 expressing dismay that Canada didn’t fight in Iraq. More broadly, he put forward a calculus for relations with Washington – that Ottawa must join with the U.S. on global issues to earn influence in Washington that could be used to serve Canada’s bilateral interests in areas like trade.

But it hasn’t been so simple. Being an ally in Afghanistan didn’t make U.S. President Barack Obama rush to approve Keystone XL. And Mr. Harper didn’t stick to the expected script, either. He responded to Keystone delays with a campaign that included declaring the project a “no-brainer,” dismissing delays as narrow politics, and lobbying that some saw as siding with U.S. Republicans. The new U.S. ambassador who arrived in Ottawa in 2014, Bruce Heyman, spent his first months in tense meetings, then being frozen out of contact. Mr. Harper ascribed the difficulties to Mr. Obama – and implicitly, suggested the solution is a new president.

But last week, Ms. Clinton , the Democratic front-runner, said she won’t approve Keystone either. Narrow or not, U.S. politics is something Canadians have to deal with in their relationship with Washington.

Even more jarring was a surprise in trade talks to create the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership. The United States and Japan struck a deal to allow more foreign content in North American cars, watering down advantages for NAFTA partners Canada and Mexico, creating concerns for a Canadian industry that employs 80,000 – without warning Ottawa.

“That should be a wake-up call,” said Fen Hampson, distinguished fellow with the Centre for International Governance Innovation. The idea that being nice Canadians will bring American rewards is in doubt now that U.S. politics is acrimonious and driven by vocal lobbies. “The new context is that the United States is not going to be handing out candy canes to its negotiating partners, especially its NAFTA partners.”

Of course, Keystone has become an overblown symbol, and many elements of Canada-U.S. relations still move along. The opposition parties argue a general reset will lessen the irritants, though.

Mr. Trudeau has blamed the Keystone delay on Mr. Harper’s failure to adopt credible environmental policies to prevent the pipeline becoming a symbol for climate change, and for a partisan, ideological, undiplomatic approach that created enemies in Washington.

The Liberal Leader’s idea for a reset revolves around a more diplomatic Canada, one that tries to engage the United States on climate change, and embraces North America, and Mexico – a potential two-on-one ally in continental affairs. Still, it’s light on issues, such as security co-operation, which matter to both sides.

The NDP, meanwhile, offers a revised version of the idea that Canada’s help on global issues will earn goodwill on cross-border ones. MP Paul Dewar said Canada can find a global role that’s helpful to the United States by playing a bigger role in places the United States doesn’t, such as Mali, or the Central African Republic. There are many countries that will offer six fighter jets to a mission like the one in Iraq, so in the end, Canada’s contribution is not significant, he said.

Canada, Mr. Dewar noted, refused to take part in key diplomatic initiatives such as the nuclear deal with Iran stuck by the United States and five other countries, instead “hectoring and lecturing,” he said – and now should offer expertise in verifying the deal, rather than sit on the sidelines. That kind of global co-operation, and a smarter cross-border diplomatic co-operation by consulates across the U.S., will help win Canada cross-border benefits, Mr. Dewar argued.

Now, as they prepare to debate foreign policy, the party leaders have an opportunity to put relations with our largest partner at the forefront again, if they’re bold, but promising results won’t be simple.

In my opinion, Canada-US relations wil be cool no matter who is prime minister in Ottawa and,equally, no matter who is in power in Washington. The relationship works quite well despite political will, on either side of the boder, to make it better or worse.

Keystone XL, for example, will, eventually, get built, because it is, indeed, a "no brainer" in the long term ... but in the short term it is nothing more, nor less, that a partisan political wedge issue. Border security will also remain complex and difficult, despite also being pretty much a "no brainer," because it, too, is a political issue in the USA. The Americans are, by and large, afraid of the others, and, despite being "kith and kin" we are, still, out there amongst the others.

What to do?

Nothing ... America must, eventually (I hope) pass through the long,dark, tunnel of fear and political idiocy in which it is, currently, trapped. Until then ...  :dunno:
 
It would seem to me unethical to not "leak" information that was in the public interest. Pretty sure every ethics training I've ever seen had a lot more to due with hierarchy of command than actual values. What qualifies someone to proclaim these ethics?

Still it looks more and more that a Conservative party minority is in the works with a better than outside chance at pulling out a majority
 
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So, again, 41% of voters don't Hate Harper.  There is his majority, and his ceiling.

On the other hand 20% of voters disagree with the policies of their champions (parkas and withdrawal). I know that foreign policy doesn't count for much in Canadian elections but I believe/hope that the difference weakens the will for the opposition to stay home on election night and dither.

Greens hate Harper for his stance on the Environment.  Trudeau disses St. David, wears fur and is wobbly on oilsands and pipelines.  Mulcair is equally wobbly on the oilsands and pipelines.

Socialists hate Harper for his Economics.  Mulcair is a Thatcherite.  Trudeau can't be arsed to show up for his own budget release - and appears to have a weak grasp on his own policies.

Liberals hate Harper because he has the Power - and they do not.  And there is nothing anyone can do to make them happy other than make their man PM.

Laurentian Fabians hate Harper.  Particularly for positions on foreign affairs, foreign aid, law and order and the niqab ban.  Unfortunately most non-Fabians disagree with them and support the policies Harper espouses even as the non-Fabians try to remember why it is they hate Harper.

Not a lot of positive reasons for co-operation to bring down the incumbent.

Monty Python
Witch Scene Script



Cast:
(V) Sir Vladimir
(King) King is Arthur, King of the Britains!
(W) 'Witch' woman
(P1,P2,P3) Peasants one, two and three

Peasants: We have found a witch! (A witch! a witch!)
Burn her burn her!

Peasant 1: We have found a witch, may we burn her?
(cheers)
Vladimir: How do you known she is a witch?
P2: She looks like one!
V: Bring her forward
(advance)
Woman: I'm not a witch! I'm not a witch!
V: ehh... but you are dressed like one.
W: They dressed me up like this!
All: naah no we didn't... no.
W: And this isn't my nose, it's a false one.
(V lifts up carrot)
V: Well?
P1: Well we did do the nose
V: The nose?
P1: ...And the hat, but she is a witch!
(all: yeah, burn her burn her!)
V: Did you dress her up like this?
P1: No! (no no... no) Yes. (yes yeah) a bit (a bit bit a bit) But she has got a wart!
(P3 points at wart)
V: What makes you think she is a witch?
P2: Well, she turned me into a newt!
V: A newt?!
(P2 pause & look around)
P2: I got better.
(pause)
P3: Burn her anyway! (burn her burn her burn!)
(king walks in)
V: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
P1: Are there? Well then tell us! (tell us)
V: Tell me... what do you do with witches?
P3: Burn'em! Burn them up! (burn burn burn)
V: What do you burn apart from witches?
P1: More witches! (P2 nudge P1)
(pause)
P3: Wood!
V: So, why do witches burn?
(long pause)
P2: Cuz they're made of... wood?
V: Gooood.
(crowd congratulates P2)
V: So, how do we tell if she is made of wood?
P1: Build a bridge out of her!
V: Ahh, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
P1: Oh yeah...
V: Does wood sink in water?
P1: No
P3: No. It floats!
P1: Let's throw her into the bog! (yeah yeah ya!)
V: What also floats in water?
P1: Bread
P3: Apples
P2: Very small rocks
(V looks annoyed)
P1: Cider
P3: Grape gravy
P1: Cherries
P3: Mud
King: A Duck!
(all look and stare at king)
V: Exactly! So, logically...
P1(thinking): If she ways the same as a duck... she's made of wood!
V: And therefore,
(pause & think)
P3: A witch! (P1: a witch)(P2: a witch)(all: a witch!)
V: We shall use my largest scales.
(V jumps down)
----------------------------end?---------------------------------
(walk over while cheering)
(push her into scale)
V: Right, remove the stops!
(wait while scales remains still)
All: A witch! burn her burn her!!
 
suffolkowner said:
It would seem to me unethical to not "leak" information that was in the public interest.

???

Leaking "Security Concerns" is none of the Public's business.  It is not in the public interest.  The leaking of "Classified" documents is a very serious security matter.  In fact, as this is now in the public domain, the "bad guys" also know what the problems may be. 
 
suffolkowner said:
It would seem to me unethical to not "leak" information that was in the public interest. Pretty sure every ethics training I've ever seen had a lot more to due with hierarchy of command than actual values. What qualifies someone to proclaim these ethics?

Still it looks more and more that a Conservative party minority is in the works with a better than outside chance at pulling out a majority

I'm pretty sure that the older Victorian morality, which largely drove the rules for both the modern army and the civil service applies:  if soldiers and other servants are to have opinions Her Majesty will issue them.

One of the greatest errors in modern morality was the Nuremberg Trials.  For soldiers and civil servants "Following Orders" HAS to be an adequate defence.
 
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