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Chris Pook said:
For them the "status quo" allows for them to live their lives without being bothered about who runs government.  They just don't feel enough pain/pleasure from a source that they identify as government for it to make any difference in their lives.

They're happy.

I don't think most Canadians would realize how important what you just said is, especially the Harper haters. But I'll make one correctiong to your statement: "We're Happy". I'm dead set on voting but I'm damn happy and proud to live in a country where people are just happy.
 
Chris Pook said:
For them the "status quo" allows for them to live their lives without being bothered about who runs government.  They just don't feel enough pain/pleasure from a source that they identify as government for it to make any difference in their lives.

They're happy.


No, I think you were right the first time: "They're not unhappy." There's a big difference, I think. If Canadian are happy then more of them would be saying that they're going out to vote and that they plan to vote Conservative. What little I've seen, so far, suggests that we may be headed for another record low turnout; if that's the case then, depending on who wins, we can say, either: "The few who care want change," if the LPC or NDP win, or "They're not unhappy," if the CPC wins.
 
Good2Golf said:
So we share voting for Martin.  Had Manley followed Martin (although it wasn't a «tête carée's» turn yet), we would have likely voted similarly again.  My base reasoning would likely be different (Blue Grit or Red Tory is my preference) than your's (you seems more aligned to party than the leader himself), but the end result would have been the same.  Once Dion showed up, my choice was easy...Red Tory it was and Harper was still playing nice(-ish) with MacKay (and the re-named PC clan).

You seem to mistakenly assume that military members will overwhelmingly (and mindlessly) vote Conservative for rather simple, dogmatic reasons. Perhaps some do, but others do so for pragmatic reasons based on worth of the leadership, warts and all, vice ethereal, genetic/branding reasoning. Many see Trudeau Jr. as a front offic piece being driven by the back room, like GW was by the Old Man and Dick Cheney.  Gerald Butts and Kathleen Wynne's = Canadian George Bush Sr. and Kathleen Wynne.

Hopefully you find time to vote and don't repeat 2011.

G2G


This got me to thinking ...

A few days ago a member PM'd me and said something like:

        "Tell me your own political opinion. You say you're a Conservative but you bad mouth the CPC on a regular basis; you obviously hate (his word, my emphasis) the Liberals
          and the NDP. So, where do you stand?"

I replied, initially, that I would think about his question. What G2G said, above, has persuaded me to respond to my interlocutor in public, which I told him I would do.

First: I am a card carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada. I am also a regular donor to that party and I donate enough to be a member of its so-called "Leaders Circle" (there's no apostrophe in "Leaders Circle" so I can only assume that it is a just circle of undefined "leaders," not a circle of rich people around the party leader). I plan to vote for the CPC candidate in my riding this election, even though I think he is the second best candidate and he may even be the third best; he is, still, an acceptable candidate for me because I rate party (platform and record) as being at least as important as individual attributes. Thus, although I think Paul Dewar (NDP) is a better person, all round, to be an MP, my CPC contender, Damian Konstantinakos, is, certainly, a "good enough" individual and when I then weigh the parties I find that I favour Mr Konstantinakos over Mr Dewar on the whole mix of person + policies.

Second: I don't hate either the Liberals or the NDP. In fact I admire both movements. But I think the NDP went wrong, right from the start, from the Regina Manifesto, and especially from around 1960 when the Canadian Labour Congress took over and converted the old CCF into the NDP. I believe that the Liberals went off the rails in 1960, at the "Kingston Conference" where journalist/public intellectual Tom Kent proposed, and the party, led by Lester Pearson, agreed to take a sharp, economically unsustainable, left turn. I didn't break with the Liberal Party until 1967, when Pierre Trudeau took over as leader, I could not then and cannot now abide M Trudeau. He was, in my opinion, a sadly misguided, deeply flawed human being, and the worst prime  minister in Canadian history, likely the worst leader of any liberal democracy in the 20th century.

I do hate, not too strong a word, Marxism and Marxist-Leninist-Maoist communism. I believe that Karl Marx was a fool. I think he totally misunderstood what he saw in 19th century England; Blake was right, the mills were "dark" and downright "satanic," but while Marx sat in the Reading Room of the British Museum proposing socio-economic rubbish, real, smart people were out, "on the ground," making real changes to British society. Marx proposed a silly theory to solve a non-problem. We should study Marx to understand folly, not society or economics; he knew nothing about either. I reject any political party or movement that subscribes to any Marxist principles.

But, and don't get me wrong, I think Marx's dictum of "from each according to his ability, and to each according to his needs," is a wonderful, even beautiful idea ... there's only one problem: it requires perfect people and to my certain knowledge there are none alive, today, and I doubt any perfect person ever did exist. I understand the dream, I wish it could come true; it cannot; it requires the perfectibility of mankind; that's never going to happen; Karl Marx was a fool; so is everyone who believes in him.

That being said, I believe in government and I believe in the liberal, democratic political process.

I believe that good, democratic government is "Government with the (informed) consent of the governed." I also believe that the most important foundation stone for good government is respect for the rule of law and another, almost as important, is a body of sound public institutions, starting with public libraries and elementary schools and going all the way up to great universities and law courts, but, always being conscious that it is the community that makes the institutions, not the other way 'round.

I am, I suppose, a Confucian when it comes to government. I don't think we need anything like a much government as we, in Canada, have in 2015, but I think the (much smaller) government we do need should be wise and just and should expect the cooperation of the people.

I self identify as both a classical, 19th century liberal and as a utilitarian. I believe in the notion that the high duty of the state is to protect the sovereign individual  from the depredations of all collectives, including religions and governments, themselves. When, much less than now, government is necessary, I believe it should try to do "the greatest good for the greatest number."

Another great duty of government is to secure an protect a few absolute rights for every individual: the rights to life, liberty and property, as defined by John Locke in 17th century England, and the right to privacy, as defined by Brandeis and Warren in late 19th century America. Of course there are other rights, important rights, but they are all limited and circumscribed ~ only those four are, in my opinion, fundamental.

As you can see I do not "fit" well into (agree with) any of our political parties, and I would not start my own party because so very, very few people would ever agree with me.

I am a Conservative despite most of the party's platform and policies and most of the people in it. I am a Conservative for two reasons:

    1. It is the party that is least far from my positions on the key issues; and

    2. I believe that responsible citizens ought to participate, however they can, in shaping public policy. The best way for me to participate is to support one political party and to try to temper its platform and policies by making my view known.

I also believe in our, Westminster form of democratically elected, responsible (as opposed to being just representative) government. I think our, Canadian system of government has many, many flaws, beginning with an unelected chamber and going through serious inequality of representation in the other chamber and on to a badly drafted, written Constitution ... but none of those flaws are beyond the wit (and goodwill) of man to fix.

I believe I have not missed voting in any federal election since I started voting well over 50 years ago; I know I have missed a few (not many) provincial elections and rather more civic ones, but, finally, I believe that we, citizens, have both rights and duties and our most important duty is to vote for those who would govern us.


Edited for clarity (I said "Finally" twice, I deleted the first "finally")  :-[
 
Lawrence Martin, writing in the Globe and Mail, in this column which is reproduced under the fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from that newspaper, is a bit uncertain about whether M Trudeau is rising or just that M Mulcair is falling. What he is sure about is that M Mulcair, unlike Prime Minister Harper, has failed to attend to either of his two bases, in Quebec, and amongst the broader Canadian left, and will, therefore, lose:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-ndp-can-kiss-its-chances-goodbye/article26571622/
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The New Democrats can kiss their chances goodbye

LAWRENCE MARTIN
Special to The Globe and Mail

Published Monday, Sep. 28, 2015

No guts, no glory, the old saying goes. You gotta takes risks. Sit on a lead in the third period, watch the lead disappear.

Same thing in politics, as Thomas Mulcair and the NDP are learning now.

They’ve been serving up Pablum. Almost 70 per cent of voters say they want change. But on economic policy, the Orange Wave has come at them waving white handkerchiefs, surrendering to the mushy middle.

With victory in sight, they got cold feet. The party that once promised an overhaul of the capitalist system brought in an economic playbook that might well be titled, “Let’s Scale The Smallest Mountains.”

Reading it is like watching toenails grow. Stay the course on Conservative budgeting; no big stimulus package; raise the minimum wage for only a minimal portion of the population; no new taxes on the sumptuously rich.

They’re bolder in other areas, like climate change and war and peace, but these positions are overshadowed by fiscal faint-heartedness.

At the start of the campaign, they topped the polls. Now, they are in third. To have any chance of winning, they have to hold their 55 seats in Quebec, but support in the province is plummeting. There and elsewhere, their yielding to the soft centre is viewed as a cause. With their left flank too exposed, Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau pounced and now wears the mantle of the change candidate.

Not that Mr. Trudeau has become a renaissance man himself. He supports Keystone XL, he supports C-51, he’s quiet on climate change. But he took the big leap on the one change that resonated. That was his decision to run deficits to spur the economy. It’s an economy, as Mr. Trudeau repeatedly points out, that over the past 10 years has seen the lowest growth rate since the 1930s. Why not some stimulus?

The public seems to have taken to the idea, one which the workers’ party would have normally pursued. But fear grabbed the Dippers by the throat. They reasoned such a move would play to their stereotype as big spenders; they reasoned Conservative Leader Stephen Harper would thrash them on it – even though Mr. Harper ran seven straight deficits himself.

Mr. Mulcair, it needs to be remembered, is not an old-stock NDPer. He served in the cabinet of Quebec Liberal premier Jean Charest. His tame-Tom economic approach is, therefore, not so surprising. And maybe he would indeed have been pilloried if he had advocated deficits. It could be a case that he was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.

He’s a leader not normally afraid to stand on principle or take risks. Take his position, supported by the courts, of allowing women to wear niqab headgear at citizenship ceremonies. He knew this is highly unpopular in Quebec, but endorsed it anyway.

As for Mr. Trudeau, he learned from mistakes. Remember last fall, when his party had a handsome lead in all the polls. He became overcautious, reactive instead of proactive. The lead evaporated and when Alberta voted NDP in May, the Liberals tumbled to the back of the pack.

The NDP has a base which, like the Harper party, needs red meat from time to time. Mr. Harper has been unrelenting in delivering it to his flock, his anti-niqab position being a fine example, and it is paying off. Reactionary Canada, about one-third of the population, at the moment appears ready to give him another victory.

Mr. Mulcair has neither secured his base vote, nor the change vote, nor the Quebec vote. On the latter, his strategy of agreeing to two French-language debates – there’s another one Friday – when being so far in front in that province made no sense.

When late campaign tides set in, they are hard to reverse. While it’s possible the NDP can reboot enough to catch the Liberals, the big dream of winning it all, a dream that looked so achievable at the campaign’s outset, is gone.


The other key insight here, I think, is, as others have described in this thread, that M Mulcair is a natural Liberal and M Trudeau seems, like his father, to be a silk stocking socialist who belongs in the NDP.
 
Something from Twitter to ponder:

"Deficits are a way of measuring the kind of growth and the kind of success that a government is actually able to create." - Justin Trudeau

By that measure, Greece should be a frikken paradise.  :facepalm:
 
E.R. Campbell said:
This got me to thinking ...

A few days ago a member PM'd me and said something like:

        "Tell me your own political opinion. You say you're a Conservative but you bad mouth the CPC on a regular basis; you obviously hate (his word, my emphasis) the Liberals
          and the NDP. So, where do you stand?"

I replied, initially, that I would think about his question. What G2G said, above, has persuaded me to respond to my interlocutor in public, which I told him I would do.

First: I am a card carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada. I am also a regular donor to that party and I donate enough to be a member of its so-called "Leaders Circle" (there's no apostrophe in "Leaders Circle" so I can only assume that it is a just circle of undefined "leaders," not a circle of rich people around the party leader). I plan to vote for the CPC candidate in my riding this election, even though I think he is the second best candidate and he may even be the third best; he is, still, an acceptable candidate for me because I rate party (platform and record) as being at least as important as individual attributes. Thus, although I think Paul Dewar (NDP) is a better person, all round, to be an MP, my CPC contender, Damian Konstantinakos, is, certainly, a "good enough" individual and when I then weigh the parties I find that I favour Mr Konstantinakos over Mr Dewar on the whole mix of person + policies.

Second: I don't hate either the Liberals or the NDP. In fact I admire both movements. But I think the NDP went wrong, right from the start, from the Regina Manifesto, and especially from around 1960 when the Canadian Labour Congress took over and converted the old CCF into the NDP. I believe that the Liberals went off the rails in 1960, at the "Kingston Conference" where journalist/public intellectual Tom Kent proposed, and the party, led by Lester Pearson, agreed to take a sharp, economically unsustainable, left turn. I didn't break with the Liberal Party until 1967, when Pierre Trudeau took over as leader, I could not then and cannot now abide M Trudeau. He was, in my opinion, a sadly misguided, deeply flawed human being, and the worst prime  minister in Canadian history, likely the worst leader of any liberal democracy in the 20th century.

I do hate, not too strong a word, Marxism and Marxist-Leninist-Maoist communism. I believe that Karl Marx was a fool. I think he totally misunderstood what he saw in 19th century England; Blake was right, the mills were "dark" and downright "satanic," but while Marx sat in the Reading Room of the British Museum proposing socio-economic rubbish, real, smart people were out, "on the ground," making real changes to British society. Marx proposed a silly theory to solve a non-problem. We should study Marx to understand folly, not society or economics; he knew nothing about either. I reject any political party or movement that subscribes to any Marxist principles.

But, and don't get me wrong, I think Marx's dictum of "from each according to his ability, and to each according to his needs," is a wonderful, even beautiful idea ... there's only one problem: it requires perfect people and to my certain knowledge there are none alive, today, and I doubt any perfect person ever did exist. I understand the dream, I wish it could come true; it cannot; it requires the perfectibility of mankind; that's never going to happen; Karl Marx was a fool; so is everyone who believes in him.

That being said, I believe in government and I believe in the liberal, democratic political process.

I believe that good, democratic government is "Government with the (informed) consent of the governed." I also believe that the most important foundation stone for good government is respect for the rule of law and another, almost as important, is a body of sound public institutions, starting with public libraries and elementary schools and going all the way up to great universities and law courts, but, always being conscious that it is the community that makes the institutions, not the other way 'round.

I am, I suppose, a Confucian when it comes to government. I don't think we need anything like a much government as we, in Canada, have in 2015, but I think the (much smaller) government we do need should be wise and just and should expect the cooperation of the people.

I self identify as both a classical, 19th century liberal and as a utilitarian. I believe in the notion that the high duty of the state is to protect the sovereign individual  from the depredations of all collectives, including religions and governments, themselves. When, much less than now, government is necessary, I believe it should try to do "the greatest good for the greatest number."

Another great duty of government is to secure an protect a few absolute rights for every individual: the rights to life, liberty and property, as defined by John Locke in 17th century England, and the right to privacy, as defined by Brandeis and Warren in late 19th century America. Of course there are other rights, important rights, but they are all limited and circumscribed ~ only those four are, in my opinion, fundamental.

As you can see I do not "fit" well into (agree with) any of our political parties, and I would not start my own party because so very, very few people would ever agree with me.

I am a Conservative despite most of the party's platform and policies and most of the people in it. I am a Conservative for two reasons:

    1. It is the party that is least far from my positions on the key issues; and

    2. I believe that responsible citizens ought to participate, however they can, in shaping public policy. The best way for me to participate is to support one political party and to try to temper its platform and policies by making my view known.

I also believe in our, Westminster form of democratically elected, responsible (as opposed to being just representative) government. I think our, Canadian system of government has many, many flaws, beginning with an unelected chamber and going through serious inequality of representation in the other chamber and on to a badly drafted, written Constitution ... but none of those flaws are beyond the wit (and goodwill) of man to fix.

I believe I have not missed voting in any federal election since I started voting well over 50 years ago; I know I have missed a few (not many) provincial elections and rather more civic ones, but, finally, I believe that we, citizens, have both rights and duties and our most important duty is to vote for those who would govern us.


Edited for clarity (I said "Finally" twice, I deleted the first "finally")  :-[

To be framed and hung on my wall......  saves me the trouble.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
This got me to thinking ...

A few days ago a member PM'd me and said something like:

        "Tell me your own political opinion. You say you're a Conservative but you bad mouth the CPC on a regular basis; you obviously hate (his word, my emphasis) the Liberals
          and the NDP. So, where do you stand?"

I replied, initially, that I would think about his question. What G2G said, above, has persuaded me to respond to my interlocutor in public, which I told him I would do.

First: I am a card carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada. I am also a regular donor to that party and I donate enough to be a member of its so-called "Leaders Circle" (there's no apostrophe in "Leaders Circle" so I can only assume that it is a just circle of undefined "leaders," not a circle of rich people around the party leader). I plan to vote for the CPC candidate in my riding this election, even though I think he is the second best candidate and he may even be the third best; he is, still, an acceptable candidate for me because I rate party (platform and record) as being at least as important as individual attributes. Thus, although I think Paul Dewar (NDP) is a better person, all round, to be an MP, my CPC contender, Damian Konstantinakos, is, certainly, a "good enough" individual and when I then weigh the parties I find that I favour Mr Konstantinakos over Mr Dewar on the whole mix of person + policies.

Second: I don't hate either the Liberals or the NDP. In fact I admire both movements. But I think the NDP went wrong, right from the start, from the Regina Manifesto, and especially from around 1960 when the Canadian Labour Congress took over and converted the old CCF into the NDP. I believe that the Liberals went off the rails in 1960, at the "Kingston Conference" where journalist/public intellectual Tom Kent proposed, and the party, led by Lester Pearson, agreed to take a sharp, economically unsustainable, left turn. I didn't break with the Liberal Party until 1967, when Pierre Trudeau took over as leader, I could not then and cannot now abide M Trudeau. He was, in my opinion, a sadly misguided, deeply flawed human being, and the worst prime  minister in Canadian history, likely the worst leader of any liberal democracy in the 20th century.

I do hate, not too strong a word, Marxism and Marxist-Leninist-Maoist communism. I believe that Karl Marx was a fool. I think he totally misunderstood what he saw in 19th century England; Blake was right, the mills were "dark" and downright "satanic," but while Marx sat in the Reading Room of the British Museum proposing socio-economic rubbish, real, smart people were out, "on the ground," making real changes to British society. Marx proposed a silly theory to solve a non-problem. We should study Marx to understand folly, not society or economics; he knew nothing about either. I reject any political party or movement that subscribes to any Marxist principles.

But, and don't get me wrong, I think Marx's dictum of "from each according to his ability, and to each according to his needs," is a wonderful, even beautiful idea ... there's only one problem: it requires perfect people and to my certain knowledge there are none alive, today, and I doubt any perfect person ever did exist. I understand the dream, I wish it could come true; it cannot; it requires the perfectibility of mankind; that's never going to happen; Karl Marx was a fool; so is everyone who believes in him.

That being said, I believe in government and I believe in the liberal, democratic political process.

I believe that good, democratic government is "Government with the (informed) consent of the governed." I also believe that the most important foundation stone for good government is respect for the rule of law and another, almost as important, is a body of sound public institutions, starting with public libraries and elementary schools and going all the way up to great universities and law courts, but, always being conscious that it is the community that makes the institutions, not the other way 'round.

I am, I suppose, a Confucian when it comes to government. I don't think we need anything like a much government as we, in Canada, have in 2015, but I think the (much smaller) government we do need should be wise and just and should expect the cooperation of the people.

I self identify as both a classical, 19th century liberal and as a utilitarian. I believe in the notion that the high duty of the state is to protect the sovereign individual  from the depredations of all collectives, including religions and governments, themselves. When, much less than now, government is necessary, I believe it should try to do "the greatest good for the greatest number."

Another great duty of government is to secure an protect a few absolute rights for every individual: the rights to life, liberty and property, as defined by John Locke in 17th century England, and the right to privacy, as defined by Brandeis and Warren in late 19th century America. Of course there are other rights, important rights, but they are all limited and circumscribed ~ only those four are, in my opinion, fundamental.

As you can see I do not "fit" well into (agree with) any of our political parties, and I would not start my own party because so very, very few people would ever agree with me.

I am a Conservative despite most of the party's platform and policies and most of the people in it. I am a Conservative for two reasons:

    1. It is the party that is least far from my positions on the key issues; and

    2. I believe that responsible citizens ought to participate, however they can, in shaping public policy. The best way for me to participate is to support one political party and to try to temper its platform and policies by making my view known.

I also believe in our, Westminster form of democratically elected, responsible (as opposed to being just representative) government. I think our, Canadian system of government has many, many flaws, beginning with an unelected chamber and going through serious inequality of representation in the other chamber and on to a badly drafted, written Constitution ... but none of those flaws are beyond the wit (and goodwill) of man to fix.

I believe I have not missed voting in any federal election since I started voting well over 50 years ago; I know I have missed a few (not many) provincial elections and rather more civic ones, but, finally, I believe that we, citizens, have both rights and duties and our most important duty is to vote for those who would govern us.


Edited for clarity (I said "Finally" twice, I deleted the first "finally")  :-[
Chris Pook said:
To be framed and hung on my wall......  saves me the trouble.

Even better as a column in the National Post.

 
trying to decide who to vote for via my cows
http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.ca/2015/09/economics-explained-by-cows.html
 
E.R. Campbell said:
This got me to thinking ...

A few days ago a member PM'd me and said something like:

        "Tell me your own political opinion. You say you're a Conservative but you bad mouth the CPC on a regular basis; you obviously hate (his word, my emphasis) the Liberals
          and the NDP. So, where do you stand?"

I replied, initially, that I would think about his question. What G2G said, above, has persuaded me to respond to my interlocutor in public, which I told him I would do.

First: I am a card carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada. I am also a regular donor to that party and I donate enough to be a member of its so-called "Leaders Circle" (there's no apostrophe in "Leaders Circle" so I can only assume that it is a just circle of undefined "leaders," not a circle of rich people around the party leader). I plan to vote for the CPC candidate in my riding this election, even though I think he is the second best candidate and he may even be the third best; he is, still, an acceptable candidate for me because I rate party (platform and record) as being at least as important as individual attributes. Thus, although I think Paul Dewar (NDP) is a better person, all round, to be an MP, my CPC contender, Damian Konstantinakos, is, certainly, a "good enough" individual and when I then weigh the parties I find that I favour Mr Konstantinakos over Mr Dewar on the whole mix of person + policies.

Second: I don't hate either the Liberals or the NDP. In fact I admire both movements. But I think the NDP went wrong, right from the start, from the Regina Manifesto, and especially from around 1960 when the Canadian Labour Congress took over and converted the old CCF into the NDP. I believe that the Liberals went off the rails in 1960, at the "Kingston Conference" where journalist/public intellectual Tom Kent proposed, and the party, led by Lester Pearson, agreed to take a sharp, economically unsustainable, left turn. I didn't break with the Liberal Party until 1967, when Pierre Trudeau took over as leader, I could not then and cannot now abide M Trudeau. He was, in my opinion, a sadly misguided, deeply flawed human being, and the worst prime  minister in Canadian history, likely the worst leader of any liberal democracy in the 20th century.

I do hate, not too strong a word, Marxism and Marxist-Leninist-Maoist communism. I believe that Karl Marx was a fool. I think he totally misunderstood what he saw in 19th century England; Blake was right, the mills were "dark" and downright "satanic," but while Marx sat in the Reading Room of the British Museum proposing socio-economic rubbish, real, smart people were out, "on the ground," making real changes to British society. Marx proposed a silly theory to solve a non-problem. We should study Marx to understand folly, not society or economics; he knew nothing about either. I reject any political party or movement that subscribes to any Marxist principles.

But, and don't get me wrong, I think Marx's dictum of "from each according to his ability, and to each according to his needs," is a wonderful, even beautiful idea ... there's only one problem: it requires perfect people and to my certain knowledge there are none alive, today, and I doubt any perfect person ever did exist. I understand the dream, I wish it could come true; it cannot; it requires the perfectibility of mankind; that's never going to happen; Karl Marx was a fool; so is everyone who believes in him.

That being said, I believe in government and I believe in the liberal, democratic political process.

I believe that good, democratic government is "Government with the (informed) consent of the governed." I also believe that the most important foundation stone for good government is respect for the rule of law and another, almost as important, is a body of sound public institutions, starting with public libraries and elementary schools and going all the way up to great universities and law courts, but, always being conscious that it is the community that makes the institutions, not the other way 'round.

I am, I suppose, a Confucian when it comes to government. I don't think we need anything like a much government as we, in Canada, have in 2015, but I think the (much smaller) government we do need should be wise and just and should expect the cooperation of the people.

I self identify as both a classical, 19th century liberal and as a utilitarian. I believe in the notion that the high duty of the state is to protect the sovereign individual  from the depredations of all collectives, including religions and governments, themselves. When, much less than now, government is necessary, I believe it should try to do "the greatest good for the greatest number."

Another great duty of government is to secure an protect a few absolute rights for every individual: the rights to life, liberty and property, as defined by John Locke in 17th century England, and the right to privacy, as defined by Brandeis and Warren in late 19th century America. Of course there are other rights, important rights, but they are all limited and circumscribed ~ only those four are, in my opinion, fundamental.

As you can see I do not "fit" well into (agree with) any of our political parties, and I would not start my own party because so very, very few people would ever agree with me.

I am a Conservative despite most of the party's platform and policies and most of the people in it. I am a Conservative for two reasons:

    1. It is the party that is least far from my positions on the key issues; and

    2. I believe that responsible citizens ought to participate, however they can, in shaping public policy. The best way for me to participate is to support one political party and to try to temper its platform and policies by making my view known.

I also believe in our, Westminster form of democratically elected, responsible (as opposed to being just representative) government. I think our, Canadian system of government has many, many flaws, beginning with an unelected chamber and going through serious inequality of representation in the other chamber and on to a badly drafted, written Constitution ... but none of those flaws are beyond the wit (and goodwill) of man to fix.

I believe I have not missed voting in any federal election since I started voting well over 50 years ago; I know I have missed a few (not many) provincial elections and rather more civic ones, but, finally, I believe that we, citizens, have both rights and duties and our most important duty is to vote for those who would govern us.


Edited for clarity (I said "Finally" twice, I deleted the first "finally")  :-[

Ok everyone, I see it now. I would vote for ERC if he ran for office as well.

E.R. Campbell said:
And now it looks as though the LPC will have only 337 candidates after Cheryl Thomas, Victoria, has resigned as a Liberal candidate after some intemperate remarks she made, on social media, about both Jews and Muslims came to light. Another one bites the dust ...

Can someone more articulate than me explain why I want to punch the editors of True North Times in the face right now?
 
As might be expected, this line from L Martin's article jumped out at me: "Why not some stimulus?"  Liberal supporters sure are beating that drum hard.

Consider: if the Keynesian model worked in Canada, then the mid-90's cuts (austerity) should have caused a severe economic growth slump and the post-2008 spending programs (stimulus) should have caused a notable economic growth surge.

There definitely was no severe contraction due to the Chretien/Martin cuts, and the only comments I've read about the recent stimulus program is that it does not seem to have moved the dial much on anything.

Those are two real-world examples of significant magnitude disproving that massive changes in federal government spending in either direction have any notable effect in Canada.  Supporters of "stimulus" need to explain that away instead of promising unicorns and pixies.  Until they do, the Liberals and their supporters - no matter how august - are talking bullsh!t.  Shame on anyone who perpetuates their nonsense or believes it.
 
There's no real problem the with Keynesian model. The idea that we save when it's good so that we can spend when it's bad is pretty simple. What's really wrong is the way in which we apply it. We spend when it's good, and we spend when it's bad. We wouldn't need austerity if we saved for the bad times.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
No, I think you were right the first time: "They're not unhappy." There's a big difference, I think. If Canadian are happy then more of them would be saying that they're going out to vote and that they plan to vote Conservative. What little I've seen, so far, suggests that we may be headed for another record low turnout; if that's the case then, depending on who wins, we can say, either: "The few who care want change," if the LPC or NDP win, or "They're not unhappy," if the CPC wins.

I missed this due to your marvellous declaration that followed.

Although I liked your declaration I'm going to disagree here. 

If a government is screwing up its people let it be known fairly quick.  Bastilles are stormed.  Kings heads are removed.  Bread is demanded.

None of that is happening.  By that standard the government of the day is doing a fine job. 

I suggest that it is possible to state that the first vote is cast by those that don't vote at all.  "qui tacet consentire videtur" or clearly put, silence implies consent.  Not voting can be fairly construed as consenting to the government of the day.

Therefore Harper stands with a clear majority of the Canadian populace:  the 40% of the 60% that did vote or 24%, plus the 40% that didn't vote and thereby consented to his governance, for a total of 40 + 24 or 64%.

We may debate the niceties of happy, not unhappy, complacent or even apathetic (not entirely a bad thing - they are without feeling either way - it just doesn't matter to them.)  The fact remains that they are not sufficiently bothered by their circumstances to feel that they need to take personal action. 

Perhaps we should just call them content? And content to consent?
 
I didn't vote in 2011.

I was not content. I was disgusted by all of the choices.
 
Here is a new CPC attack ad on an issue that might actually resonate with many voters. The data that I have seen suggests that both M Mulcair and M Trudeau are out of step with something like 65% to 85% of Canadians on deporting convicted terrorists and niqabs.
 
In the previous federal elections I voted for the Liberals except the last one. I don't know for some reason I started liking Conservative last five years. (May be I was adopted to it over the years ;D)

Earlier I was not at all interested to vote for this election. But, now I am going to cast my vote in advance polling, & most likely for the Conservative again.

I am just asking myself a question to make the final move.

If we are sending Team Canada to Olympics (pretend to be the Olympics for the sports of governing), which party is most capable of bringing home gold medal?

& the answer is...???
 
E.R. Campbell said:
I've been says for years that Canada needs to change the orientation of our foreign policy farther away from comfortable old Europe and more towards strange, complex and oh, so very foreign Asia. ( .... ) the TPP should have been a springboard to talk about what China, and Asia, more broadly, means to Canada ~ it wasn't and that's a pity.
More on the same theme from the G&M:
When I last spoke with China’s envoy to Vancouver, Liu Fei, she complained politicians in Ottawa and Toronto are so focused on Europe and the United States that they too often ignore China. She had her own agenda, of course: China is not in the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade deal being negotiated between Canada, the United States, Japan and other Pacific nations. But she still had a point.

I recalled her comments while watching Stephen Harper, Thomas Mulcair and Justin Trudeau settle into a foreign policy debate on Monday that included no discussion whatsoever of China – its rising influence, its world-shaking economy, its human rights record or Canada’s approach to the bilateral relationship. The debate was still likely the best we’ve seen so far, to be fair, but the word “China” was only mentioned once – in French and in the context of the TPP – and came up only as an aside in the section on climate change. It was a foreign policy debate that could only have happened in eastern Canada, which often simply gazes south or across the Atlantic.

In some ways this makes sense: the United States is Canada’s largest trading partner, and we are part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. But for someone watching the debate, it was hard to tell the global balance of power is shifting toward Asia ....
More @ link

The latest on "why the @#$%^& are we still selling arms to the Saudis?" (and how unions are reportedly helping to keep that quiet).
 
I didn't vote in 2011.

I was not content. I was disgusted by all of the choices.

I am likely not the only one here then to put aside any complaints you have regarding the last four years.

The Brits call that "throwing your Teddy out of the cot."

Assuming you vote, you'll reset your "Citizen voicing displeasure with their representation" membership.

G2G
 
Good2Golf said:
I am likely not the only one here then to put aside any complaints you have regarding the last four years.

The Brits call that "throwing your Teddy out of the cot."

Assuming you vote, you'll reset your "Citizen voicing displeasure with their representation" membership.

G2G
I could have spoiled my ballet with the same effect as not voting. Or voted for the communist party to the same effect as not voting.

I don't vote for the lesser of the evils. They might get the idea I support them.

Let's be clear. If my choices on the ballot are stalin,  Mao,  and Castro and I don't vote, I will still voice my displeasure no matter who wins.
 
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