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Teen_Cadet said:
Huh, things you learn on the internet, guess it's not just for porn any more.
Huh, things you learn on the internet, guess it's not just for porn any more.
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This isn't a porn site? Oh..
Kat Stevens said:
This isn't a porn site? Oh..
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PuckChaser said:
Not always. I know a few officers that have a residency and fly the CF-18. But those are exceptions, rather than the norm. They were fighter pilots in their country.
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SupersonicMax said:
They are exceptions and were recruited under very special circumstances. IE The UK is down sizing their military, and we require skilled and experienced pilots for our airframes and to be instructors. Also every single one of them would have been given letters from the CDS, with explicit instructions on how long they have until they MUST obtain citizenship, or the WILL be released.
I left Canada in 2007 after moving there is 2003. I joined the British army in 2009 and left earlier this year with an honourable discharge and exemplary conduct. Now that i am out the forces i really miss it but re enlisting in the UK forces is next to impossible at the moment with the army 2020 changes all coming into effect.
Could i join the Canadian forces my family has all stayed in Canada and become citizens however i left 2 months before taking my citizenship test(stupid i know) as i had my heart set on joining my local regiment back home.
I have read through some threads on here and seen that it is possible but only for certain trades etc. The problems i would have first and foremost is i have not meet residency requirements although as i understand from speaking to other people is that i am still considered a permanent resident until i either renounce it or it is taken from me by immigration on arrival in Canada( Which has never happened during visits). Secondly i was in the infantry as a gunner in a rifle section and later a 2ic i have operational experience in Afghanistan and the Falkland islands but is this enough? is there a list of occupations and skills required from non citizens or is it down to commanders discretion?
so in short is it worth my while applying as a permanent resident with relevant experience or is it likely to be canned?
any information would be greatly appreciated!
Kind regards
Could i join the Canadian forces my family has all stayed in Canada and become citizens however i left 2 months before taking my citizenship test(stupid i know) as i had my heart set on joining my local regiment back home.
I have read through some threads on here and seen that it is possible but only for certain trades etc. The problems i would have first and foremost is i have not meet residency requirements although as i understand from speaking to other people is that i am still considered a permanent resident until i either renounce it or it is taken from me by immigration on arrival in Canada( Which has never happened during visits). Secondly i was in the infantry as a gunner in a rifle section and later a 2ic i have operational experience in Afghanistan and the Falkland islands but is this enough? is there a list of occupations and skills required from non citizens or is it down to commanders discretion?
so in short is it worth my while applying as a permanent resident with relevant experience or is it likely to be canned?
any information would be greatly appreciated!
Kind regards
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Hatchet Man said:
Right above your post. I don't know what you didn't understand about either of those sentences.
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Not his fault,...I merged his question with this thred.
Bruce
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Bruce Monkhouse said:
Still means no effort to search was made though, so you are absolved
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6327Farag said:
I would suggest you talk to a recruiting centre to get the best answers. Yes, all the literature says you have to be a citizen to apply, BUT there IS a waiver process and a waiver is indeed possible (I've know a number of folks who have been waived). I've also known enough people in the CF who have come over from the British Armed Forces (including some whose only previous connection to Canada was a posting to BATUS) to realize that many things are possible. Only the recruiting centre can tell you for sure where things stand right now (and don't pay attention to the naysayers who are admonishing you for not understanding clear statements - they're not that clear). Much of this will depend on the state of the occupation(s) in which you're interested.
Another thing you should do is check on your citizenship status. You did live here for a number of years before you went back to the UK, so you may be close to meeting the residency requirement for citizenship (if you haven't already achieved it). In other words, you may be just a test and ceremony away from citizenship (or close to it). If that's the case, I would suggest concentrating on becoming a citizen and forget the waiver.
On another note, you should be aware that when you do join the CF, your British Army time is likely pensionable under the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act (CFSA - our pension plan) and will also count toward your future award of the Canadian Forces Decoration (our LS&GC medal).
Good luck.
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Pusser said:
Do you currently, or have you previously worked in recruiting? If the answer is no, then you are talking out your ass. Waivers are granted in EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES (ie for skilled applicants applying for in demand highly technical occupation, ie Pilots). What happened in years previous is not the case now, as it is not just DND involved in the waiver process.
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Hatchet Man said:
No I don't work in recruiting, but I'm guessing neither do you. I never said that getting a waiver was easy. I simply said it was possible. Even if it's possible only under exceptional circumstances, it is STILL possible. Neither you nor I have any idea what specialist skills the man in question brings to the table or the current manning state of any of the occupations in which he's interested. The only folks who can really find the answers to his questions are in recruiting, which I've pointed I've also stated. I don't think that constitutes talking out of my ***.
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Pusser said:
I was in recruiting prior to my current job. And I can tell you unless prior arrangements have been made (which is what was going on with Pilots from the UK), the likelihood of non-citizen application making it past the initial screening is nil, in fact at CFRC Toronto (other than the aforementioned Pilots, who applied directly to a staff officer in NDHQ) we had ZERO files come to us, for a non-citizen waiver. Which is why there is scant mention of citizenship waivers in official sources. Even the official recruiting site doesn't mention waivers, which should be a pretty big clue to how possible it is in obtaining one. It's possible to win the jackpot in the lottery or on a slot machine, but the reality of either happening is beyond remote. Same thing here. You know what guarantees your application being looked at....being a citizen.
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So if you haven't seen it, it's not possible. OK. That's pretty presumptuous. I like that in a fighter pilot.
According to our profiles, I've got more years of service than you have on the planet. I've also been in a number of staff jobs over the years where issues of this nature have been dealt with at levels well above your pay grade. I also have a lot of experience in administration and policy. But what do I know?
Simply put, there are few absolutes in life. If the regulations allow flexibility, then flexibility exists. I know several people, whom I can name, who are not pilots and who have received waivers. Waivers are not necessarily granted to people who have special skills. They can be granted to people who have skills that are in short supply as well. Pilots are not the only ones who have these. They're just the most popular flavour at the moment.
I stand by my assertion that although it may be difficult, it is not impossible to obtain a waiver. And a simple calculation of odds will show that the chances of doing so are considerably better than that of winning the lottery. Does the OP have a chance? I have no idea, but neither do you. However, I'm not willing to anonymously crush his hopes. That's the recruiting centre's job ;D. His chances may be remote, but there is still a chance. The bottom line is that he needs to do some research and ask the right people.
According to our profiles, I've got more years of service than you have on the planet. I've also been in a number of staff jobs over the years where issues of this nature have been dealt with at levels well above your pay grade. I also have a lot of experience in administration and policy. But what do I know?
Simply put, there are few absolutes in life. If the regulations allow flexibility, then flexibility exists. I know several people, whom I can name, who are not pilots and who have received waivers. Waivers are not necessarily granted to people who have special skills. They can be granted to people who have skills that are in short supply as well. Pilots are not the only ones who have these. They're just the most popular flavour at the moment.
I stand by my assertion that although it may be difficult, it is not impossible to obtain a waiver. And a simple calculation of odds will show that the chances of doing so are considerably better than that of winning the lottery. Does the OP have a chance? I have no idea, but neither do you. However, I'm not willing to anonymously crush his hopes. That's the recruiting centre's job ;D. His chances may be remote, but there is still a chance. The bottom line is that he needs to do some research and ask the right people.
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Pusser said:
You know how to be a condescending twat that's for sure. When the recruiting folks tells him no, they ain't going to grant a waiver, perhaps you can be the one to help huh. :
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"There are more things on heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosphy." (Hamlet Act1, Scene 5)
You can call me condescending if you like, but you should probably take a look in the mirror. I started off by providing factual information. You forcefully provided your opinion in a rather condescending manner yourself. If I am guilty of any transgression is of stooping to your level.
Maybe the answer will be no, but then again maybe it won't. The fact is, flexibility does exist, but you're telling him not to even bother trying. That's not really in line with my view of the military ethos, so I decided to speak up. Soldiers are normally to be commended for trying hard and using every means available to achieve their aim. I'm sure the CDS appreciates you speaking on his behalf:
QR&O 6.01
(1) In order to be eligible for enrolment in the Canadian Forces as an officer or non-commissioned member, a person must:
a. be a Canadian citizen, except that the Chief of the Defence Staff or such officer as he may designate may authorize the enrolment of a citizen of another country if he is satisfied that a special need exists and that the national interest would not be prejudiced thereby;
Yes, it may be a long shot, but somebody does usually win the lottery as well.
"There are more things on heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosphy." (Hamlet Act1, Scene 5)
You can call me condescending if you like, but you should probably take a look in the mirror. I started off by providing factual information. You forcefully provided your opinion in a rather condescending manner yourself. If I am guilty of any transgression is of stooping to your level.
Maybe the answer will be no, but then again maybe it won't. The fact is, flexibility does exist, but you're telling him not to even bother trying. That's not really in line with my view of the military ethos, so I decided to speak up. Soldiers are normally to be commended for trying hard and using every means available to achieve their aim. I'm sure the CDS appreciates you speaking on his behalf:
QR&O 6.01
(1) In order to be eligible for enrolment in the Canadian Forces as an officer or non-commissioned member, a person must:
a. be a Canadian citizen, except that the Chief of the Defence Staff or such officer as he may designate may authorize the enrolment of a citizen of another country if he is satisfied that a special need exists and that the national interest would not be prejudiced thereby;
Yes, it may be a long shot, but somebody does usually win the lottery as well.
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