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Failing Islamic States - 2011

I agree with the slogan no matter the language

Kifaya-----Kifaya-----Kifaya

Elected Government by the people for the people
Corrupt individuals may flee but they cannot hide
themselves under a rock.

quote:
"Bisbes is a happy man these days. At last he can ply his trade. "When I started reporting live from the demonstrations, I felt like a real journalist for the first time," he says."  :salute:

if it was flowers and bricks.......this one gets the brick
quote:
"Culture Minister Frédéric Mitterand, said the country was not an "unequivocal dictatorship," and suggested that
describing Ben Ali as a dictator was "completely exaggerated."

Yeah Right ::)
 
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Tunisia's Worrying Precedent


Arab Rulers Fear Spread of Democracy Fever

01/25/2011
By Clemens Höges, Bernhard Zand and Helene Zuber
SPIEGEL ONLINE

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In the wake of Tunisia's mostly peaceful revolution, Arab leaders are worried that their young, frustrated populations might follow suit. While the West sits back and watches, regimes stress stability over genuine democracy and hope to calm simmering discontent with cash.

Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi and Israeli Vice Prime Minister Silvan Shalom don't have all that much in common, but they do share one thing: Neither thinks much of the revolution in Tunisia.

"I fear that we now stand before a new and very critical phase in the Arab world," Shalom, who was himself born in Tunisia in 1958, said in an interview aired on Israeli radio on Jan. 14. Israel and the majority of its Arab neighbors now agree on the importance of fighting Islamic fundamentalism, Shalom said. His concern lies with what might happen if Arab states start becoming democratic. He fears Tunisia might "set a precedent that could be repeated in other countries, possibly affecting directly the stability of our system." If democratic governments take over Israel's neighboring states, the vice prime minister said, the days of the Arab-Israeli security alliance will be over.

Gadhafi also complained that he was "very pained" to see his friend Zine El Abidine Ben Ali's regime collapse and Tunisia descend into fear and insecurity. "What is this for?" he asked. "To change Zine El Abidine? Hasn't he told you he would step down after three years? Be patient for three years and your son stays alive."

Prioritizing Stability

The revolution in the Maghreb presents a difficult dilemma not only to Tunisia's neighbors, but also to Europe, the United States and Israel. Indeed, the dilemma embodies the central question of Middle Eastern politics in general: Which is more important -- democracy or stability?

Last Wednesday, when Arab leaders gathered in Egyptian Red Sea resort city Sharm el-Sheikh, for the Arab economic summit, it was the first time Tunisian dictator Ben Ali was missing from their ranks. The summit's hosts tried in vain to steer the conversation away from the unprecedented events in Tunisia. "The Tunisian revolution is not far from us," Arab League leader Amr Moussa said in his opening remarks for the conference. "The Arab citizen entered an unprecedented state of anger and frustration," he added, noting that "the Arab soul is broken by poverty, unemployment and general recession."

Speaking after Moussa, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak didn't even mention Tunisia, preferring instead to address the importance of economic cooperation, which he called a "requirement for national security." It was a bold denial of the reality that Moussa had just clearly described. After all, the conditions in Tunisia also apply to most of the other 21 Arab states and the Palestinian territories -- and sometimes even much more so.

Young Masses Led by Old Men

The populations of these countries are young and unhappy. Indeed, 53.4 percent -- or roughly 190 million out of a current population of 352 million Arabs -- are younger than 24 years old, and nearly three-quarters of them are unemployed. In many cases, the education these young people receive doesn't do them any good because there are no jobs in the fields they trained for. Many are 35 or even 40 before they can afford to marry. In essence, this is a violation of a basic human right perpetrated against millions in countries such as Egypt, where life expectancy is nine years less than it is in Germany, or in Yemen, where the figure is almost 15 years lower.

Governments in these countries, on the other hand, are corrupt and outdated. Indeed, before Ben Ali's ouster, the leaders of North Africa's five countries had enjoyed a combined total of 115 years in office. The countries' youth ministers are generally old men.

In countries such as Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt, demographics, governments run by old men and widespread malaise are forming a dangerous mix. Although it is aware of the situation, the West continues to support the old rulers.

A Problem throughout North Africa

Take the example of Algeria. In recent weeks, Tunisia's western neighbor has seen riots like those in Tunisia. According to a 2008 report from the US Embassy in Algiers that was leaked to the Wikileaks website, the US State Department considers the Algerian government "fragile" and riddled with "unprecedented levels of corruption." Likewise, Abdelaziz Bouteflika, the country's 73-year-old president, is "isolated" and has lost touch with reality. According to the document, Bouteflika is trying to groom his brother Said, around 20 years his junior, to be his successor. The country, one source cited in the document said, is "sitting on a volcano" and its young men feel "grim" and only left with a choice "between death at sea and a slow, gradual death at home."

Another embassy cable is entitled "The Harraga: Give Me Dignity or Give Me Death" after the name for would-be illegal emigrants trying to escape across the Mediterranean. It reports that refugee boats set off from the port city of Annaba each week "filled with a cross-section of frustrated young Algerians -- doctors, lawyers, dropouts, the unemployed." Even members of the country's elite are fleeing. "The grandson of former president Chadli Bendjedid, 29-year-old Mourad Bendjedid, left on Feb. 8, 2007 along with six other young men and has not been heard from since."

American diplomats sent similar reports from Morocco. There, dozens of college graduates camped out in the hopes of being hired as civil servants, people who'd given up hope began setting themselves on fire three years ago, and "corrupt practices" have "become much more institutionalized" under King Mohammed VI.

Meanwhile, their colleagues in Libya reported that the regime there had things much less under control than it appeared and that Gadhafi found himself in "a downward spiral" after being disgraced by his sons' excesses.

At the same time, American diplomats acknowledge what these and other Arab governments have accomplished in terms of averting terrorist attacks, thwarting Islamists and establishing dynasties that offer stability even if they do not provide democracy that meets Western standards.

Will Revolution Spread?

Given such conditions, the question arises whether Tunisia is just the beginning of the end of Arab autocracies as well as just how long the populations in countries from Mauritania to Yemen and from Sudan to Syria will continue to put up with the daily humiliations they face at home.

Events of recent days might hint at the answer to these questions. In Mauretania, Algeria and Egypt, 10 men followed the example of Mohammed Bouazizi, the 26-year-old Tunisian fruit vendor whose act of self-immolation after having been humiliated and shooed from the street like a dog triggered his country's revolution.

Thousands have taken to the streets in Jordan and Yemen as well, demanding that their rulers step down. In the wealthy oil emirate Kuwait, which has systematically discriminated against its Bedouin population for decades, the government sent every citizen $3,500 (€2,600) to nip any possible protests in the bud.

There are two aspects of Tunisia's example that give Arab reformers hope. First, it was the Tunisians themselves who got rid of their despot, not a Western army sweeping in with its own "freedom agenda," as the United States did in liberating Iraq from Saddam Hussein in 2003. And, second, it was a grassroots movement that brought about the change of government in Tunisia rather than a highly organized one or an opposition movement co-opted by one charismatic leader, as was the case with the Iranian revolution in 1979. This last point, in particular, has long been viewed by political scientists as a prerequisite for successfully overthrowing a despot in the Middle East.

Nervous Responses

Nevertheless, most Middle East experts are still hesitant to proclaim the dawning of a new era in the Arab world. As they see it, social, economic and political conditions vary too widely for Tunisia's example to be an indication that a revolutionary spark could affect the entire region.

As much as the West may disapprove of them, these conditions are just as real as the region's demographic imbalance, youth unemployment and official corruption. People in the oil states of Libya and Algeria, for example, are gazing toward Europe just as longingly as people in Tunisia, but their governments enjoy resources they can employ when their systems come under serious threat. Algiers quickly stemmed riots over rising bread prices by simply reducing food prices. And in Egypt, which is much poorer than Tunisia, the circle of people who benefit from the existing system is far larger than that of the Ben Ali clan, with its shamelessly opulent lifestyle.

This holds even more true for Saudi Arabia, which has just as many unemployed, frustrated young people as Tunisia does. The country's deeply conservative monarchy doesn't even pretend to have democratic structures in place. But it still distributes its oil wealth more equitably than the Arab republics that proudly display their elections, parliaments and parties.

Since the Tunisian revolution, poorer Arab princes -- who rely more on large security apparatuses than energy resources -- no longer feel truly secure, and their wealthier counterparts have little faith that this tenuous peace will hold. As a result, meeting last Wednesday in Sharm el-Sheikh, the Gulf's oil monarchs decided to send a signal by pledging a total of $2 billion to governments throughout the Arab world for creating jobs and promoting new businesses.

They care a lot about stability and very little about democracy. And, so far, no one in the West has told them to act any differently.

Translated from the German by Ella Ornstein


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Canada probing ex-Tunisian president's residency status
Graeme Hamilton, National Post · Monday, Jan. 24, 2011
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<blockquote>Canadian immigration authorities are investigating whether the relatives of Tunisia’s deposed president who arrived in Montreal last week are entitled to remain in the country, a department spokeswoman said Monday.

Immigration Minister Jason Kenney told CBC Sunday that some family members of former dictator Zine El Abidine Ben Ali have permanent residency status in Canada, allowing them to enter the country freely. His department is now examining whether they have forfeited that status through a prolonged absence from Canada or for any other reason, spokeswoman Mélanie Carkner confirmed.

Under Canadian law, permanent residents must live in Canada for at least two years within a five-year period. They lose their status and can be removed from the country if they fail to meet the residency requirement or if they are convicted of a serious crime ....</blockquote>More on link
 
milnews.ca said:
Canada probing ex-Tunisian president's residency status
Graeme Hamilton, National Post · Monday, Jan. 24, 2011
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<blockquote>Canadian immigration authorities are investigating whether the relatives of Tunisia’s deposed president who arrived in Montreal last week are entitled to remain in the country, a department spokeswoman said Monday.

Immigration Minister Jason Kenney told CBC Sunday that some family members of former dictator Zine El Abidine Ben Ali have permanent residency status in Canada, allowing them to enter the country freely. His department is now examining whether they have forfeited that status through a prolonged absence from Canada or for any other reason, spokeswoman Mélanie Carkner confirmed.

Under Canadian law, permanent residents must live in Canada for at least two years within a five-year period. They lose their status and can be removed from the country if they fail to meet the residency requirement or if they are convicted of a serious crime ....</blockquote>More on link

Well I truly hope so, as I am tired of these "Canadian's when convenient"
 
Ben Ali: Tunisia issues arrest warrant for ex-leader
BBC News, 26 January 2011 Last updated at 06:36 ET
Article link<blockquote>Tunisia has issued an international arrest warrant for ousted President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali <b>and his family</b>, the nation's justice minister has said.  Lazhar Karoui Chebbi said Tunisia had asked Interpol to detain Mr Ben Ali, who fled to Saudi Arabia earlier this month amid mass street protests.  Mr Chebbi said Mr Ben Ali should be tried for property theft and transferring foreign currency ....</blockquote>

Report: International arrest warrant issued against Ben Ali
Deutsche Presse-Agentur, Jan 26, 2011, 11:43 GMT
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<blockquote>An international arrest warrant has been issued against former Tunisian president Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali <b>and his wife Leila</b>, French media reported Wednesday.  BFM television quoted the Tunisian justice ministry as saying the warrant had been issued. France Info public radio also reported a warrant had been issued for Ben Ali 'and his relatives.' .... </blockquote>

Tunisia issues intl arrest warrant for ousted President Ben Ali, accuses him of taking money
Associated Press, 7:15am EST
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<blockquote>Tunisia's justice minister says the country has issued an international arrest warrant for ousted President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali.  The minister, Lazhar Karoui Chebbi, says charges against Ben Ali include taking money out of the country illegally.  The minister also said Wednesday that more than 11,000 prisoners escaped from the North African nation's prisons during the unrest that overthrew Ben Ali. That is about a third of the country's prison population. About 1,500 prisoners have returned behind bars .... </blockquote>
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Canada waits for cue to freeze Ben Ali's assets


MONTREAL — Canadian authorities say they're prepared to freeze assets belonging to members of the ousted regime in Tunisia, but are awaiting an order to proceed from the country's new government.
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Any eventual asset freeze would likely target members of Ben Ali's large extended family, some of whom reportedly own property in Montreal and lay claim to permanent residency status.

Among the most prominent property owners is Ben Ali's son-in-law, Mohamed Sakher El Materi, who continues to be listed as the owner of a $2.5-million mansion in Montreal's wealthy Westmount neighbourhood.
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Montreal lawyer Kamel Balti is requesting that Citizenship and Immigration Canada release the names of those who arrived last week in order to begin legal proceedings that would see their immigration status revoked.

An official with the department declined to comment on the matter, citing privacy concerns.

Balti said he's working to have Tunisian legal documents -- which outline allegations of corruption, torture and kidnapping against the Ben Ali regime -- forwarded to the Canadian government.

"We suspect these people committed war crimes, crimes against humanity and criminal activity -- full stop," he said.

"Canada has to send a message that it will not host such asylum-seekers."

Ottawa declared Tuesday that it opposed having the country become a safe haven for members of the old Tunisian government.

"Our government is troubled by reports that Mr. Ben Ali and members of the former Tunisian regime may be considering Canada as a destination," said Melissa Lantsman, director of communications for Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon.

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A mansion in the upscale Westmount neighbourhood of Montreal believed to be owned by the son-in-law of deposed Tunisian president Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali is pictured Tuesday, Jan.18, 2011. (Ryan Remiorz / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Tunisia seeks ousted President and family via INTERPOL
Interpol web page, 26 Jan 11
News release link
<blockquote>INTERPOL can confirm that its National Central Bureau (NCB) in Tunis has issued a global alert via INTERPOL's international network to seek the location and arrest of former Tunisian President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali and six of his relatives.

As stated by Tunisian authorities in media reports today, Mr Ben Ali and some of his family members are wanted in Tunisia on charges of alleged property theft and the illegal transfer of foreign currency.

The alert, known as an INTERPOL diffusion, contains the names and other data of wanted individuals. It was sent directly by NCB Tunis via INTERPOL's I-24/7 secure police communications network to all other 187 member countries. Unlike INTERPOL's Red Notices for internationally-wanted persons, which are issued at the request of member countries by INTERPOL’s General Secretariat headquarters in Lyon, a diffusion is sent directly by an INTERPOL NCB without the involvement of the General Secretariat.

In its diffusion, NCB Tunis requests INTERPOL member countries to search, locate and provisionally arrest Mr Ali and his relatives with a view to their extradition to Tunis. If and when the individuals are located, Tunisian authorities will forward any formal request for extradition via diplomatic channels .... </blockquote>
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        Canadian Tunisians are planning a demonstration on Parliament Hill on Feb. 2.

57Chevy said:
believed to be owned by the son-in-law of deposed Tunisian president Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali

A woman at the house has said she and her husband purchased the home from al-Materi eight months ago, but official records have not been updated because of contractual issues revolving around outstanding roof repairs. She and her lawyer have not shown any proof of ownership, however, despite repeated requests over the last week.

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From wikipedia:
Sakher El Materi

Sakher El Materi is a Tunisian businessman and politician. He is the son-in-law of Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, the former president of Tunisia.

As of May 2010, his company Princesse El-Materi Holdings - El Materi runs businesses in six industry sectors: News and Media, Banking and Financial Services, Automotive, Shipping and Cruises, Real Estate and Agriculture.

A former member of the ruling Constitutional Democratic Rally, he was elected as a Member of the Chamber of Deputies of Tunisia for the constituency of Tunis on 25 October 2009 and stricked off by the party after the Tunisian Revolution.
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The Canadian Press described him as "one of the most powerful members of Tunisia's ruling class".
.......... it was reported that Sakher was going to a house he owned in Montreal, Canada
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Harper declares members of former Tunisian regime not welcome in Canada
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He made it clear that his government applauds the recent revolt in Tunisia that led to the exile of its former dictator, president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali.

"Canada supports the transition in Tunisia," Harper told a news conference.

"We support the democratic development that is taking place there and obviously want to see that proceed positively."

Moreover, he did not shy away from saying — in the wake of reports that Belhassen Trabelsi, the billionaire brother-in-law of the deposed dictator, is now in Montreal — that the government frowns on this development. The Tunisian is reportedly in Montreal with his wife, four children, and a nanny.

"Canada will use all tools at its disposal to co-operate with the international community in dealing with members of the former regime," said Harper. "They are not welcome, let me be very clear, we do not welcome them in our country."

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The Canadian government has reportedly revoked the permanent-resident status of the billionaire brother-in-law of a Tunisian dictator.

Belhassen Trabelsi, who arrived in Canada with his family last week, had his status revoked Thursday, Radio-Canada’s all-news channel reported.

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I think we need to take great care in saying that "democracy" is ascending in North Africa and the Middle East.

In my opinion it is dissatisfaction that is ascending; they are a long, long way from democracy.

Democracy is a whole lot more than elections, more, even, than regular free and fair elections; it requires some cultural attributes including, inter alia, a respect for the rule of law and a sense that laws apply, equally and fairly, to all - governed and governors alike. If When those cultural attributes are present in a country then it may evolve into a functioning democracy. I cannot see those attributes in any but a tiny handful of Muslim countries - none of which are in the Arab League, per se.

My suspicion is that many (most?) Muslims in North Africa, the Middle East and West Asia, given a free, democratic choice, would elect to be governed by an Islamist theocracy - something that is about as far from "democracy" as we can get.
 
Indeed E.R.....great care. Democracy is especially a slow process in countries locked up by dictators.
The worldwide use of the internet is allowing the otherwise oppressed peoples of the world to see
the true possibilities of an elected Government.
The actions of our own Government toward the Tunisian problem is an example of that.
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Montreal Tunisians hailed news Thursday that Belhassen Trabelsi, the billionaire brother-in-law of deposed dictator Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, faced questioning by immigration officials after Tunisia officially requested his arrest.
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full article:Trabelsi questioned by border agent, leaves Chateau Vaudreuil: report
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PQ international affairs critic Louise Beaudoin charged Quebec’s Liberal government is dragging its feet when it comes to making members of ousted Tunisian president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali feel unwelcome here.

Beaudoin said it’s time Quebec stopped acting “like a small province” and made it clear what it thinks about the presence of the family here.


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Let 'em have it Mdm Beaudoin  :clubinhand:
 
Democracy ? More like Iranian style "democracy". Wait until the dust settles and see who ends up on top. My guess is that we wont like what we see. Why does the Tunisian revolutionary government want with the deposed dictator and his family ? If all they wanted was their ill gotten gains that can easily do that. Cant hang them though if they have asylum abroad.
 
AMMAN - Thousands of Jordanians held peaceful demonstrations in Amman and other cities on Friday to press for reform and the government's resignation, taking their cue from Tunisia and Egypt.

"Egypt, the Arab nation salutes you. We urge your men to get rid of (President Hosni) Mubarak," an estimated 3,000 people chanted as they marched through central Amman holding national flags after Muslim weekly prayers.

"The Arab people's message: you are corrupt, beware our anger. (Ousted Tunisian president Zine El Abidine) Ben Ali is waiting for you," they said, referring to his ouster in a popular uprising.
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Thousands of Jordanians march to press for reform

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Opinion: Egypt — Mubarak family flees as chaos engulfs region

Things are getting hotter Egypt, one of the North African countries known collectively as the Maghreb, nestling slightly above the scorching Sahara desert. Before this week, Egypt was famous for its apparent stability. Not anymore.

Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak never expected this crisis. He never expected to sing any swan song in the year 2011, after 30 years of imaginary "peace", solidified by an undisturbed dictatorship reminiscent of Roman emperors.

But on Tuesday this week, after watching neighbouring Tunisia collapse under the fury of its people and the hasty departure of his friend Ben Ali, Hosni, who became president of Egypt in 1981, is about to be toppled by mostly young, hungry and unemployed Egyptians copying the tactics of their Tunisian brothers and sisters.

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Hosni Mubarak (wikipedia)
Mubarak and corruption
While in office, political corruption in the Mubarak administration's Ministry of Interior has risen dramatically, due to the increased power over the institutional system that is necessary to secure the prolonged presidency. Such corruption has led to the imprisonment of political figures and young activists without trials, illegal undocumented hidden detention facilities, and rejecting universities, mosques, newspapers staff members based on political inclination. On a personnel level, each individual officer can and will violate citizens' privacy in his area using unconditioned arrests due to the emergency law.
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This is intriguing. I am no predictor of the future.....but maybe ER can shed some light on this?
 
Now they are seeking asylum. Would the fact that there is an Interpol warrant out for them weigh against recieving refugee status?

Posted in accordance with.......

Ex-Tunisian leader's relative seeks asylum

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2011/01/30/trabelsi-tunisia-refugee.html

The brother-in-law of Tunisia's deposed dictator Zine el Abidine Ben Ali has claimed refugee status in Canada, Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon says.

Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon says Belhassen Trabelsi, the brother-in-law of Tunisia's former dictator, has a legal right to apply for refugee status, but is not welcome in Canada. (CBC)In an interview on Saturday with CBC News, Cannon said he had been told that Belhassen Trabelsi had made a formal refugee claim. The process could take several years to complete.

The Canadian government has said Trabelsi is not welcome. But Cannon said Trabelsi has a right to seek refugee status under the law.

To be granted asylum, Trabelsi would have to prove he needs to stay in the country in order to avoid persecution in Tunisia.

Trabelsi had permanent residency status in Canada, which he had obtained in the mid-1990s. Under Canadian law, permanent residency can be lost if it is not used. For example, if a person is not in the country for a certain period of time.

Tunisia's ambassador to Canada, Mouldi Sakri, said he had been instructed to ask that Canada issue an arrest warrant for Trabelsi.

Trabelsi and his family arrived in Montreal last week on a private jet.
Tunisian-Canadians in Montreal have been outraged by Trabelsi's presence because he has been accused of stealing large amounts of money from Tunisia. They want his Canadian assets frozen by the government, and to see his extradition to Tunisia.

Ben Ali is now believed to be in Saudi Arabia and is the subject of an international arrest warrant

 
See the exchange of posts between Journeyman and Old Sweat that follows this. That discussion is the "light" I am using to try and make some sense of all this. I think JM and OS have made about the best possible "educated guesses" - guesses like those which, I also think are all that are being used for "light" in Washington, Beijing, Ottawa, Riyadh, London, Tehran, Canberra and Jerusalem.
 
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