Fat troops on the street....
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TCBF said:
Aww crap Tom, I had just logged off....
I know what you're thinking but, no, I was not "escorted from the building".
I was asked by "The Facilitator" why I was there. When I explained why (see original post) and she asked me if I had any "stress issues", I replied in the negative. So she asked me to leave and save both of us some time and effort. I went back to the office.
Danjanou said:
Not as exciting as you hoped. A beer does sound appealing. Mine is almost dry.
Danjanou said:
I didn't get that far, I was "let go" (hopefully as an honours graduate) shortly after the first hour. Never even made it to coffee break. But I got that PO covered on my Native Awareness Course in Borden
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That doesn't sound like a very good course to me. If the whole point of it was to resolve YOUR stress issues, then it isn;t really a course, it's just counselling, no? I thought a stress management course would teach me as a leader how I can assess my subordinates' level of stress and to properly identify the symptoms of, and diagnose, stress relates injuries, assist my subordinates in manage their stress, and provide immediate counseling to soldiers who may be suffering from its effects? Certainly that would seem to fit the title better.
Or maybe I should stop drinking......
Or maybe I should stop drinking......
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Britney Spears said:
This "course" was intended to help you deal with your stress before it becomes an issue.
Once stress is an issue, those counselling sessions are usually one-on-one.
TCBF said:
Not everyone can, which is why these sessions are held. NDHQ can be pretty stressful. Sometimes you're so busy you can't make it to the gym (says he as he tries to steer this back on topic....)
I am not sure that Smokey was always able to put it all behind him - during WWII he was promoted 9 times to Cpl and busted 9 times to Pte. He had his own particular ways to deal with things that is for sure, including a good drink.
Most did. A lot of the grain elevators in Port Arthur/Fort William (now Thunder Bay) had a bunch of ex WW2 Lake Sups working there after the war. A few guys would be constantly drinking on the job, but their buddies covered for them. Point is, eventually, they were mostly able to function without being told they were a casualty needing extensive counseling for the rest of their lives. Any counselling they got was from their buddies who went through Hell with them.
Tom
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But, back on topic... Hey! We could ask that Troops who look like 300 pounds of lard in a 30 pound bag while wearing a uniform be told to stop wearing the uniform, and wear the new poncho liner/sb liner instead.
Kind of a 'CADPAT mu-mu', if you know what I'm sayin'.
Hey, just tryin' to keep it real.
Tom
Kind of a 'CADPAT mu-mu', if you know what I'm sayin'.
Hey, just tryin' to keep it real.
Tom
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TCBF said:
Wow - I'm having a flashback ...
I once knew a fellow who was ordered to stop wearing his uniform for this very reason (and, to illustrate his girth ... when they made his kilt, they had to take three kilts and cut the apron off of two of them ... and, no - I'm not kidding/exaggerating ...)
We used to refer to this guy as "the second fattest man in NATO - can't tell you who's the fattest, becaust that would give away our troop lift capability ..." (we even had a skit where he'd be "lapse'd" out the back of a Herc on a pallet, wearing goggles and one of those WWI flying scarves ...)
The fit officers in the HQ would stop, turn around, and go use another route if they spotted him in the open ... so they could avoid having to salute him ... (and, no - I'm not kidding/exaggerating).
And, most ironically ... all of this to say: Yes, we're back on topic ... since we've arrived back at the situation I mentioned previously - the tard at work (with no operational experience) who just got promoted, even though his CADPAT shirts are performing a textile strength test ... (and, no - I'm not kidding/exaggerating - the front of his shirt gapes, as the buttons struggle to keep it from bursting open ...). This guy was spotted in the gym quite a few times .. in the one or two weeks immediately before his promotion ...
But, in addition to his personal shame (of which he has none), the blame lies with the superiors who were hoodwinked into promoting him (to the detriment of morale amongst all those who are fitter, more qualified, and more experienced ...). In other words, a failure of leadership.
I'd like to thank
"Gorzelles and Grazillas" ... LOL - reminds me of the Para Regt AAR on the Falklands, which mentioned how the gazelles all became cas after going without sleep for several days (because they had no reserves of body fat) ... and then the rugby players from Tpt or Q stores took over ... and yomped all the way to the finish line ...
Food for thought. Eat hearty!
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Haggis said:
Ooops - I'm getting so accustomed to your common sense and insight (Great Chieftain of the puddin race), that I'd associated it with you ... but of course I should have remembered Gunner ... (he's probably going to smack me for forgetting)
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I'm a goalie - big is good for goalies. And, those errant hairs in my moustache are blonde, damn it - not gray!
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Alright so I have read all 17 pages of this post before I posted a responce, good lord. I am all for people being physically and mental fit to do there job. I did a little research from all three elements.
Army= You are a solider first. Anyone at any time can be asked to "close with and destroy the enemy."
Airforce= You are a trades person first. The Jets and Transports need to be in the Air.
Navy= You are a sailor first. Your ship is your bread and butter if it goes down you die, where are you going to swim to, land?
I have been in the Army and the Airforce, so I know how they think about PT, so with out shooting my mouth off like a Tango Foxtrot, I phoned a buddy of mine in Halifax, and asked him how PT was like in the Navy. He told me on base it is great but at sea it is next to impossible to stay in shape. I asked him he must be kidding. "Bad mistake I got a tongue lashing" First and formost NO Running on ship it is to hard to keep contact with the deck when the ship is bouncing around, the PT room is smaller than some peoples living rooms. Mostly 1 bench some weights and 2 cardio machines. " I thought there you go 2 machines get your ass on that" 2 Cardio Machine 200+ souls on ship. He told me that even with a good number of un motivated people on board you might get lucky to jog 30 min every 3 days or so.
All I can say is, maybe unification does not work, you can't treat all elements the same. Sure it saves some serious money, why else do you think they did it. For the better of the CF
P.S In the picture that started this posting frenzy, I thought that when you were working or posted to NDHQ it was DEU's or workdress" Old saying" you know pressed pants, pressed shirt, highly shone ankle boots and ribbons. i think that is 3A. maybe lack of discipline is a major problem to now( But I bet that subject has been covered also)
Steve
Army= You are a solider first. Anyone at any time can be asked to "close with and destroy the enemy."
Airforce= You are a trades person first. The Jets and Transports need to be in the Air.
Navy= You are a sailor first. Your ship is your bread and butter if it goes down you die, where are you going to swim to, land?
I have been in the Army and the Airforce, so I know how they think about PT, so with out shooting my mouth off like a Tango Foxtrot, I phoned a buddy of mine in Halifax, and asked him how PT was like in the Navy. He told me on base it is great but at sea it is next to impossible to stay in shape. I asked him he must be kidding. "Bad mistake I got a tongue lashing" First and formost NO Running on ship it is to hard to keep contact with the deck when the ship is bouncing around, the PT room is smaller than some peoples living rooms. Mostly 1 bench some weights and 2 cardio machines. " I thought there you go 2 machines get your ass on that" 2 Cardio Machine 200+ souls on ship. He told me that even with a good number of un motivated people on board you might get lucky to jog 30 min every 3 days or so.
All I can say is, maybe unification does not work, you can't treat all elements the same. Sure it saves some serious money, why else do you think they did it. For the better of the CF
P.S In the picture that started this posting frenzy, I thought that when you were working or posted to NDHQ it was DEU's or workdress" Old saying" you know pressed pants, pressed shirt, highly shone ankle boots and ribbons. i think that is 3A. maybe lack of discipline is a major problem to now( But I bet that subject has been covered also)
Steve
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Hatchet Man said:
I totally agree with that. I someone from say... Norway came to Canada and saw a soldier walk past him and this particular soldier happened to be fat, the Norwegian would probably think "Damn... Canada's army is fat". That is if that was the only soldier they saw..
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What do we expect from an Armed forces that does not even have PERI staff?
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"What do we expect from an Armed forces that does not even have PERI staff?"
I think getting rid of the PERI trade was a big mistake, they were much more able to motivate someone than a PSP Civvie mainly because there was a rank structure there; however, the unit, the senior NCOs, and the Jr. Leaders also have to share some responsibility here too. The individual is ultimately responsible for themself but, if their leadership doesn't care then neither will a lot of those individuals. I myself have my own reasons for running all of the time (and I am not exactly skinny either but certainly not fat) but, I have seen far too many people who will consume three or sometimes four bags of chips, three or four chocolate bars and the same amount of pop as well (in one day that is)then turn around and wonder why they cant lose weight when they only do about an hours worth of cardio per week.
I think getting rid of the PERI trade was a big mistake, they were much more able to motivate someone than a PSP Civvie mainly because there was a rank structure there; however, the unit, the senior NCOs, and the Jr. Leaders also have to share some responsibility here too. The individual is ultimately responsible for themself but, if their leadership doesn't care then neither will a lot of those individuals. I myself have my own reasons for running all of the time (and I am not exactly skinny either but certainly not fat) but, I have seen far too many people who will consume three or sometimes four bags of chips, three or four chocolate bars and the same amount of pop as well (in one day that is)then turn around and wonder why they cant lose weight when they only do about an hours worth of cardio per week.
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To understand what a difference a good Army PERI staff would make, I just compare the Brit PTI (Infantry Corporal) who was responsible for course fitness and subsequently ran us into the ground to the 50 something PSP lady who liked to have walks in the city (I wish Al Qaeda would have gotten her) and plan beach parties .... 
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