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Ferret Anti-sniper system

Some things I know about the system (or at least the version we saw):

-It will not give you coordinates per se, but rather a bearing from which the shot was fired.  It will also give you calculated range and elevation to the point of origin. (Works best if they are shooting at you)

- the Ferret talked about here is completely different than the old Ferret Scout Car (I realise you know that, but I just had to add it)

- It won't be able to tell you where your round is impacting, but you should know that as it were.

- It is an acoustic system, so it will only tell you the near miss if the sound of bullet passing is audible.

I will try to dig up some more.
 
I may be wrong - or they upgraded the system recently - but I think it uses the crack - thump (just with more precision than we used to with the C1A1 Human Ear...)  As such with a suppressor the muzzle blast will be non-existant so the thump will be gone - and only the Crack of the bullet passing (supersonic).

Secondly - last time I looked we where no specifically worried about SA fire in Afghan, more IED's and Rocket fire.  This to me seems like another boondoggle like the Coyote in urban/mountainous areas...
 
KevinB said:
Secondly - last time I looked we where no specifically worried about SA fire in Afghan, more IED's and Rocket fire.  This to me seems like another boondoggle like the Coyote in urban/mountainous areas...

Even untrained and irregular combatants such as the Taliban would be / are often wise enough to steer clear from an armoured column when only possessing SA firepower and lacking rocket propelled grenades or rockets. This would likely mean that the attacks faced by Canadian Forces personnel with SA would occur in the dismounted role, and largely take place in the mountains, where to my knowledge, Coyotes either cannot traverse, or have limited roles. This would mean the effect is negligible, when 7.62 rounds come flying, the armour is nowehere to be seen, and subsequently, the Ferret with them. Perhaps I am looking at this from the wrong perspective? Obviously someone with operational experience could argure this more effectively than I.
 
"It can be vehicle-mounted or situated as a static land-based system."

So I guess if you set up an OP it would work although if they're shooting at you, you've failed.
 
An audio alarm alerts the occupants of the vehicle that they are being shot at...

As opposed to the old fashioned method of hearing bullets whizz by  ::)

Seriously sounds like an interesting piece of kit. Hopefully those who designed it/will be suing it take a gander at the concerns being raised here.

Have to admit though when I saw the title I thought of the sout car too. I thinks there's a coupl on display at the main gate at Aldershot if we need them.
 
An audio alarm alerts the occupants of the vehicle that they are being shot at...

Let's see now.....just like the audio alarm on the Laser detection system......multiple hits from laser or certain similar frequency light sources and the thing gets turned OFF.  SOP.  Back to Mk 1 eyeball and Mk 1A1 (probably is one) ears.
 
Now that puts the "scout" back in scout car.  It is hard for a mounted patrol to respond effectively to SA fire.  The pending upgrades to include 10 fig grid reference should have our arty friends drooling over realtime targeting data, and make a scout car a lot more dangerous than its on-board weaponry and mounted infantry alone.  Coupled with existing sensors for active targeting systems, it makes a mounted patrol a lot stronger scout, and a more useful escort vehicle.  The best part is it is a passive system, so no increase in signature for the vehicle.
 
muskrat89 said:
The Phoenix PD has had a gunshot setection system in use for a year or two. I wonder if it is the same type of system?

http://www.shotspotter.com/prod_le.htm
    If this is a similar system, then it argues that it can be deployed on soft skin vehicles, the ones more at risk for SA fire. A couple of G wagons with this on patrol, with a tasked mortar team in support could thin out the ranks beligerants in fairly short order.
 
Here's some bits of info. It'll broaden the discussion too.


The Ottawa Citizen, 2005.06.27

Defence agency focuses on 'direct support' for troops: Hands-on equipment will become more common as the military's research wing now aims to meet the immediate needs of soldiers in the field, writes a journalist.

It may look like a water sprinkler on steroids, but the Ferret is the new way of the future for the Defence Department's science agency.

Created by Defence Research and Development Canada experts in conjunction with their industry counterparts, the super sensitive microphone system is designed to help troops determine the location of enemy gunmen and is now in use in Afghanistan.

The creation of such practical, hands-on equipment -- known in bureaucratic terminology as "direct support"-- will become more common as the research department alters its course to better align itself with the future direction of the Canadian Forces. Although projects will still form the bulk of the agency's efforts, attention is also being paid to working with military engineers to deal with the immediate needs of troops in the field.

"It helps us solve practical problems of the CF," Denis Faubert, director general of the agency's Valcartier, Que., laboratory, says of the new direct support program.

Mr. Faubert said the research facility, located in Ottawa and with labs across the country, had been doing such projects, but had not been proactively seeking such work.

For example, the agency quickly developed a simple but effective holder that allows troops to attach night-vision goggles to their helmets. The device is in widespread use among Canadian soldiers in Kabul.

Also in final testing is an add-on armour kit that will attach to the belly of light armoured vehicles. The system is to provide protection from landmine blasts and was developed after the Defence Department approached the research 18 months ago.

Military analyst David Rudd said in addition to conducting straight research, it makes sense for the laboratories to focus on equipment that could have an immediate practical use in the field, such as the Ferret. "It's an example of a good payoff for a modest investment," said Mr. Rudd, executive director of the Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies.

The Ferret cost around $3 million to develop.

The project, officially called the Small Arms Detection and Localization System, warns troops if they are being fired upon and uses acoustic sensors and a computer to locate the source of gunfire. The system can also determine the calibre of the bullet and help detect gunfire from silenced weapons.

The Valcartier lab and MacDonald Dettwiler and Associates developed the system. Eleven of the Ferrets are in use in Kabul where they have been installed on the Coyote armored reconnaissance vehicle. Two are being kept in Canada so troops getting ready for overseas missions can train on the systems.

Mr. Faubert said following the Defence Department's new direction will mean some current research projects will be dropped. He gave the example of the development of a hyper-velocity missile to strike at long-distance targets.

With the military focused on operating and fighting in urban areas, the need for such a missile is likely not a priority. But Mr. Faubert noted the time and money spent on working on such a program is not wasted, since the information can be used to develop new ammunition for the army's light armoured vehicle.
 
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2005731213213.asp

Sniper's are a real problem for patrols, so some type of warning system is critical for force protection.
 
This sounds awsome, i have seen this in CSI :D But like it said, sometimes it a good sniper and he hits on the first shot, so someone is going to have to die to find him. The system should detect the sound of a bullet being chambered ;D It sounds cool but will it work??? Anyone out there worked with it in training or on a mission?
 
http://www.halifax.mda.ca/ferret/index.html

Go to the image gallery and click on the first pic. You get a good idea of what the system is about.
 
I forgot to ask about silenced rifles, and if it can detect multiple targets at once?
 
As its an accoustic system I doubt it can detect a suppressed rifle. As for multiple targets I dont know but I suspect that it has some capability to plot those.
 
Look here for already posted informations on the Ferret System: http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/31945.0.html
 
Specs on the system are as follows:

http://www.halifax.mda.ca/ferret/specs.html

FERRET SPECIFICATIONS
HEIGHT:
52 cm

WIDTH:
57 cm

DEPTH:
47 cm

WEIGHT:
8.2 Kg

OPERATING CONDITIONS:
-40 º to +50 ºC, Rugged and Weather Proof

MATERIAL:
Aluminium

HEIGHT:
16 cm

WIDTH:
13 cm

DEPTH:
18.5 cm

WEIGHT:
3.3 Kg

CASE:
sealed milled aluminium modular housing

OPERATING CONDITIONS:
-40 º to +50 ºC, Rugged and Weather Proof

HEIGHT:
22.5 cm

WIDTH:
12 cm

DEPTH:
4.5 cm

DISPLAY:
5.2 x 7.5 cm

WEIGHT:
0.74 Kg

OPERATING CONDITIONS:
-20 º to +70 ºC

Rugged and sealed "Cycolac ABS case with black
silicon boot

INTERFACE:
22.5 cm

RECORD & LOG:

Greater than 2000 acoustic events for post-analysis investigations

BOOT TIME:
2.5 minutes

SHUTDOWN TIME:
45 seconds

Easily hardware/software upgradeable &
networked
 
Uninterruptible Power Supply

SHOOTER DETECTION RANGE
Up to the effective range of the weapon

BULLET DETECTION RANGE:
Up to 200 metre

RECOGNIZED AND CLASSIFICATION OF CALIBRES:
Small arms from 5.56 to 12.5 mm (50 Cal)



RANGE ACCURACY:
Better than ± 10% within 250 M


Better than ± 30% greater than 250 M

BEARING ACCURACY:
± 0.2 - 2.0 Degrees

ELEVATION ACCURACY:
± 0.5 - 5.0 Degrees

RESPONSE TIME:
Less than 1 second (bullet passage)

2 Amps, 10 - 30 VDC
 


 



 

 
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