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Ostrozac said:Plus Gatineau has a bylaw against burning things, anti-burning bylaws seem to be cropping up across the country.
Looks like DND is now facing a Fine for burning things. >
Ostrozac said:Plus Gatineau has a bylaw against burning things, anti-burning bylaws seem to be cropping up across the country.
:rofl: :facepalm: :not-again: "obviously"Scoobs said:You obviously do not know what the majority of the people that work at this building do. They are not paper pushers that work in a headquarters. Most work for ADM(Mat), i.e. the people that get you your new kit, vehicles, planes, ships, shelters, etc. and they are the people that ensure that the current stuff gets fixed. How well do you think the front line units would work without that stuff?
Scoobs said:Damn, there are so many people posting here that obviously have the solutions to all the problems in Ottawa. It now appears to me that everyone in Ottawa must work at the Headquarters and everybody must be lazy the minute they are posted there. Nope, throw away all the years of experience that they have at front line units because a prerequisite for going to Ottawa is to get your brain removed. I mean, we all sit around here doing diddly crap and coming up with the stupidest kit for the front line units because it's fun and we love to see our friends who are still at the front line units experience the same stupid crap that we had to go through! See I'm in the Air Force (we're all lazy anyways), but have spent the vast majority of my career on Army bases (what was I thinking?), and the stupidest idea that we came up with was to bring the Chinook back in (I mean really, who wants a helo designed specifically for supporting the Army, geesh?). My friends over at the Globemaster project must have thought to themselves, let's get this aircraft because it can fly really fast and do nothing at all! The J-model Herc guys must have thought the same thing. The guys in Fixed Wing SAR love when the politicians interfere and the never ending, are we funded or not? The JUSTAS guys (UAV) love that they don't know if it will be funded or supported. Oh yay, happy joy joy!
My point for all the sarcasm above is that unless you have experience in Ottawa and have worked in the "fun" environment one sometimes encounters here, you really have no idea of what goes on and how Ottawa works/doesn't work. There are lazy people in Ottawa and there are some stupid decisions made here (the never ending boot saga, etc.), just like there are lazy people and stupid decisions made at front line units. However, there are a lot of good people working in ADM(Mat), bringing in good stuff (like I mention above since my experience is with aircraft procurement) for our front line units to use.
Remius said:I won't disagree. Working at ADM(Mat) in particular has opened up my eyes. Undermanned, understaffed and still expected to deliver. My team went from 12 to 4 under DRAP and I know we aren't the only ones. So many people double hatted and triple hatted. So yeah, sometimes things get put on the wayside for other more important thingsThe thing is thst Treasury board is the bigger impediment among other central agencies. It isn't necessarily because people are lazy. Seems like a convenient way to explain things off but the truth is always more complicated.
Remius said:I won't disagree. Working at ADM(Mat) in particular has opened up my eyes. Undermanned, understaffed and still expected to deliver. My team went from 12 to 4 under DRAP and I know we aren't the only ones. So many people double hatted and triple hatted. So yeah, sometimes things get put on the wayside for other more important thingsThe thing is thst Treasury board is the bigger impediment among other central agencies. It isn't necessarily because people are lazy. Seems like a convenient way to explain things off but the truth is always more complicated.
I will speak for my section of the machine, we know who we're there to support first and foremost, the fleet. Full stop. The bastards who in my time there have been the cause of much red tape and throwing big fucking wrenches into the gearboxes is PWGSC or whatever the fuck they are calling themselves this week. The amount of time from flash to bang because of their part in the process is unbelievable. They are, in my opinion, a major contributing factor as to why so much is fucked up about Ottawa and timely, proper delivery of service to our customers. I know what I want to see go to the fleet, it doesn't mean I'll be successful in getting that item once they get involved.Old and Tired said:I don not for a minute think any of the UNIFORMED people working up there in ADM (MAT) are lazy. I know to many that are have been, are, or are soon to be working there. From the worms eye view of the world, there are entirely too many people there that DO NOT have the OPERATIONAL interests of the Soldiers, Sailors and Airman (non-gendered usage) at heart. Again, I know of (and unfortunately am related) too many people that work there who have nothing but their own, very narrow self-interest and advancement in mind. For them being seen to bend the DND to TBS will is more important than growing a back-bone and for once telling someone, anyone "NO, IT CAN NOT BE DONE. PERIOD" Because the system is irrepairable broken.
When we take the p*** out of "NDHQ" as a whole, its the system and "PROCESSES" that we are angry at not the Good Folks that try and make it work.
jollyjacktar said:I will speak for my section of the machine, we know who we're there to support first and foremost, the fleet. Full stop. The bastards who in my time there have been the cause of much red tape and throwing big ******* wrenches into the gearboxes is PWGSC or whatever the frig they are calling themselves this week. The amount of time from flash to bang because of their part in the process is unbelievable. They are, in my opinion, a major contributing factor as to why so much is ****ed up about Ottawa and timely, proper delivery of service to our customers. I know what I want to see go to the fleet, it doesn't mean I'll be successful in getting that item once they get involved.
FTFY [Remius said:The thing is thstTreasury board"PWGSC and procurement" is the bigger impediment among other central agencies.
ArmyDoc said:FTFY [
dapaterson said:TBS are those pesky folks who expect DND to justify the why of the requests that are being sent up. And often there is no valid justification, only ego and ill-informed opinion. As a taxpayer, I want someone asking the hard questions.
dapaterson said:TBS and PSPC are two entirely different beasts, with different roles and responsibilities.