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CBC reporting that it took months for the MPs to seize and search electronic equipment from the alleged perpetrator, while the chain of command minimized the problem and failed to take administrative action.
Former RMC student alleges MPs botched investigation into spy cam in her room
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I read this person's social media post. Personally, if I were the mentioned individuals., I'd be hitting them with a libel lawsuit.
Who knows what actually happened? I know, having been staff at the School just prior to this, that investigations were taken incredibly seriously and that there is A LOT more that isn't released.
I kept detailed records of all my interactions with Cadets for this very reason..
Even had a Cadet tried to spew libel against me.... They thought they were really smart up until that point. If you are Staff at institution like RMC, particularly a Senior Officer, I would recommend keeping a lawyer on retainer.
Who knows what actually happened? I know, having been staff at the School just prior to this, that investigations were taken incredibly seriously and that there is A LOT more that isn't released.
I kept detailed records of all my interactions with Cadets for this very reason..
Even had a Cadet tried to spew libel against me.... They thought they were really smart up until that point. If you are Staff at institution like RMC, particularly a Senior Officer, I would recommend keeping a lawyer on retainer.
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It's almost as if they should do some kind of review of the military colleges that would result in sweeping recommendations regarding reform of some kind, to address issues exactly like this, that should be actioned immediately.
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I have two solutions:
1) reinstate OCTP which takes you from civilian to qualified second lieutenant with a year of solid military training and no university component; and
2) have all ROTP education conducted at civilian universities.
RMC can then be repurposed (Never sell land). Greatly expanded signals and logistics training facilities would be my preferred choice.
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1) reinstate OCTP which takes you from civilian to qualified second lieutenant with a year of solid military training and no university component; and
2) have all ROTP education conducted at civilian universities.
RMC can then be repurposed (Never sell land). Greatly expanded signals and logistics training facilities would be my preferred choice.
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Torches and pitchforks for sale!!!
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Before se go all “pitchforky”- this is a 2018 story.Torches and pitchforks for sale!!!
Alot has changed at both RMC and CAF wide since then.
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I read her post as well. And I think that maybe you are full of it. And it demonstrates the issue with many of the officers that have come from there. CYA was always the name of the game. You had to make sure you had copious notes to back yourself up in case someone made a complaint about you. Did you ever reflect on why you had to do that? On why you felt that you would be singled out for complaints against you.
I was also a graduate from there. Many years before this incident, and can attest that I'm not surprised things like this happened. You know why? Because it happens at all institutions. The RMC population is a reflection of society as a whole, with the exception that we tend to jam a whole bunch of Type A personalities into a controlled environment where they're no longer the best and the brightest compared to their peers. It is the first time for many of them to be told they are only average compared to those around them. Which causes a whole other set of issues.
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This comment has nothing to do with the RMC cadet in question, because I do not know that situation, at all.
With respect, there are a lot of batshit crazy or entitled people in the CAF right now and they are not afraid to weaponize the harassment, grievance or legal system when they are told things that they don’t like.
If you are a supervisor and do not keep good records on what you said to whom; why; and when- you are negligent. The CAF will not back you.
Your comment that a leader should reflect on their behaviour for keeping notes is a low blow and beneath your usual high standard of commentary here.
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People make complaints all the time, about a wide variety of things. If you don't take notes on interactions you have with people when you're in a position of high-trust and authority, you're an idiot, full stop. Why do Police Officers wear body cameras and take detailed notes of the interactions they have with any member of the general public? It's no different.
There are valid complaints, there are also plenty of spurious complaints done with nefarious intentions.
As an Aviator working in a flight safety environment, I'm surprised you would take umbrage with someone taking detailed accounts of matters relating personnel and operations? Are you this cavalier with flight safety?
I no longer work for the CAF, I work in private industry. I could write a book 2 feet thick about all the grievances I have with the CAF or for any other institution I have worked for but that would be highly unproductive and quite frankly, unbecoming of an Officer.
Two of the gentlemen mentioned, I know and happened to have worked for personally. They were some of the best Officers I have met, are dedicated Fathers, Husbands, hardworking, and gentlemen. I consider the comments spurious and baseless.
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Students at RMC routinely take action by themselves because they do not trust their chain of command. I've heard of barracks thieves being beaten up in downtown Kingston by other RMC cadets - so they learn to hide their criminality and graduate and become officers of the CAF, rather than the CAF kicking them out. The fourth pillar at the military colleges is "don't get caught" - and that's the one that, again and again, is manifested.
I have heard rumours that the first draft of the Arbour report recommended abolition of the military colleges, not a review of them. Maybe it's time for the Federal government to abandon playing in the provincial jurisdiction of education entirely. Stop enrolments with parental consent; stop running a third rate set of universities that produce graduates without life skills to be adults.
I have heard rumours that the first draft of the Arbour report recommended abolition of the military colleges, not a review of them. Maybe it's time for the Federal government to abandon playing in the provincial jurisdiction of education entirely. Stop enrolments with parental consent; stop running a third rate set of universities that produce graduates without life skills to be adults.
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The RMC Protective
Make the campus the Canadian War College ( basically move CFC there)I have two solutions:
1) reinstate OCTP which takes you from civilian to qualified second lieutenant with a year of solid military training and no university component; and
2) have all ROTP education conducted at civilian universities.
RMC can then be repurposed (Never sell land). Greatly expanded signals and logistics training facilities would be my preferred choice.
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Partner with real universities if there's a need for academic content and any degrees; keep military faculty and a limited number of academics for what those other universities cannot deliver. But the CFC model of "I have a PhD in Chemistry so I am the CAF expert in peacekeeping" is a farce.
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I don’t hold any body of 18-24 year olds to be particularly virtuous. Or the administrators at universities in Canada.
Don’t view Civvy Us through rose coloured glasses.
We probably have the worst of all possible worlds right now with RMC/CMR: an expensive, resource intensive degree granting institution that does not produce a noticeably better officer product than OCTP or DEO and is always just one 19 year Cadet away from a PR disaster for the CAF.
If I were CDS for a day, I would instead do a one year officer academy on the RMC campus. Intakes every three months. Recruit those with and without degrees. Everyone gets a 4 or 5 year first engagement. At the end of that, we decide who gets offered another contract based on performance. Those without degrees that we keep get offered subsidized education at a civvy U, either distance or in person, depending on personal circumstances.
CFC gets moved to RMC, so officers will circle back to the campus throughout DP 1, 2 and 3.
I used to agree with this. But my view has shifted over time. High schools are producing a subpar product these days. This isn't me trying to "Back in my day.....". Grade inflation is so bad that Waterloo, for example, applies a -12% correction factor to all but a handful of high schools in the country. The average university applicant these days is an A student. But somehow they are all having issues with everything from math to literacy to even computer literacy in their first year of college or university. Imagine trying to build an officer corps out of that. Meanwhile, the complexity of modern technology, the reach of modern media, means that this is the era of the "strategic corporal" on steroids.
Just make it the Canadian Sandhurst. ROTP in civilian schools. Summer program at RMC for officership. Rest of the school year send DEOs through.
Honestly though, I genuinely feel sorry for the staff at RMC. So much shit happens at civilian universities, sometimes with CAF members on ROTP or as reservists, but there's no scrutiny, because it's not strictly a military institution. I feel the scrutiny went criticism is disproportionate on RMC. But I just don't know if that will ever end.
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I don’t love losing 4 years of productive time for officers at the beginning of their careers, when they are the most energetic and idealistic.
Also, limiting our pool of officer applicants to those with university degrees (or enroute to degrees) is elitist and potentially excludes entire demographics (first nations, for example) from even applying.
Let’s figure out who has leadership potential before we waste time and money educating them.
I'm a fan of the Sandhurst model. However, the one thing that gives me pause is their issues with accessibility and elitism. Models without subsidized education end up basically selecting officers from those who have the means to attend and finish university. It's worse with the Brits because of aristocracy and the regimental sponsorship model. But one of the things I've always liked about the CAF and I think works well is that you can be piss poor and still end up a properly educated officer. We also have NCMs with degrees. This is very different from the Americans and the Brits. And it's a strength I hope we don't lose in reforms.