Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[Jarnhamar]

I think James has a future in politics. He already has more follow-thru than 99% of MPs in Ottawa in that he does what he says he's going to do.

He's says what he thinks and isn't two faced. I don't see him going far.

 

[brihard]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/topp-soldier-facing-court-martial-1.6511081?fbclid=IwAR3VUzzpF7wQOhGEMVbGdhKNWSxZ9XaTZgc1r7NxQTytJH1dlJrgkCa01ek

I guess that he is still in the military. I didn't realize that he was a Warrant Officer (which I'm sure that he won't be after the trial). Which unit is he from?

Sounds like I was misinformed on this. I had understood him to have been 5Fed. So he’s still lying about the ‘dishonourable discharge’ if he’s not even out, but I relied on bad info. My apologies for that. It doesn’t change any of my stated opinions, FWIW.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Sounds like I was misinformed on this. I had understood him to have been 5Fed. So he’s still lying about the ‘dishonourable discharge’ if he’s not even out, but I relied on bad info. My apologies for that. It doesn’t change any of my stated opinions, FWIW.

Has he actually lied? I haven't seen this at all. He spoke to reporters the other day and said "he was being released".

Soldier James Topp donned uniform while criticizing vaccine mandates to make his point

Warrant Officer James Topp says he does not believe people would have paid attention if he had not donned his uniform to publicly oppose the Canadian military’s vaccine requirements.

www.nationalobserver.com

He is a Reservist now so would be required to actually parade.

My understanding is all the unvaccinated members were working their way through the Administrative Process. We had a few at my former unit and they still had to go through the entire AR Process so it would take some time.

They also had a very specific way they were doing it. It involved interviews and escalating levels of administrative action.

James knowingly wore his uniform to bring attention to himself. He said so in the above linked article and he also was passionate enough about it to accept the consequences of that decision. He is going to get his day in Court now where he will get the chance to defend his actions.

 

[Remius]

Has he actually lied? I haven't seen this at all. He spoke to reporters the other day and said "he was being released".

Soldier James Topp donned uniform while criticizing vaccine mandates to make his point

Warrant Officer James Topp says he does not believe people would have paid attention if he had not donned his uniform to publicly oppose the Canadian military’s vaccine requirements.

www.nationalobserver.com

He is a Reservist now so would be required to actually parade.

My understanding is all the unvaccinated members were working their way through the Administrative Process. We had a few at my former unit and they still had to go through the entire AR Process so it would take some time.

They also had a very specific way they were doing it. It involved interviews and escalating levels of administrative action.

James knowingly wore his uniform to bring attention to himself. He said so in the above linked article and he also was passionate enough about it to accept the consequences of that decision. He is going to get his day in Court now where he will get the chance to defend his actions.

The AR process for this was shortened and expedited. That process should have been completed months ago. Now the reserve release process might be the issue lol.

He may have received his notice of intent to release but the actual steps to release him (ie medical if applicable, kit return etc) might be why he’s still technically in.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The AR process for this was shortened and expedited. That process should have been completed months ago. Now the reserve release process might be the issue lol.

He may have received his notice of intent to release but the actual steps to release him (ie medical if applicable, kit return etc) might be why he’s still technically in.

Yep and I still know people that are going through the process that "should have been completed months ago". Some of them asked to VR and were curiously denied as well.

IMO, the whole Anti-Vaxx thing is no different than Conscientious Objection, it should be treated as such.

Release these people but do it in a dignified manner instead of going all Orwell 1984. The way we've gone about this is just going to create more problems in the future

 

[Remius]

'Freedom Convoy' organizer Tamara Lich to stay in jail until trial

'Freedom Convoy' organizer Tamara Lich has been denied bail and will remain in custody to await trial on criminal charges related to the Ottawa protest.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Blackadder1916]

I hope nobody made non-refundable deposits.

 

[brihard]

'Freedom Convoy' organizer Tamara Lich to stay in jail until trial

'Freedom Convoy' organizer Tamara Lich has been denied bail and will remain in custody to await trial on criminal charges related to the Ottawa protest.

www.ctvnews.ca

Wow, that’s a bit surprising. The JP absolutely hammered her on the secondary and tertiary grounds for custody, and he was also quite careful in his reasoning- clearly he expects the bail decision to be reviewed before a judge like it was the first time.

Presumably they’ll be looking to reschedule her trial for considerably sooner. The emerging evidence from another one of the organizers’ cell phones that was revealed in the bail hearing was enlightening as to her alleged motives.

The trial will definitely be interesting…

 

[OldSolduer]

Wow, that’s a bit surprising. The JP absolutely hammered her on the secondary and tertiary grounds for custody, and he was also quite careful in his reasoning- clearly he expects the bail decision to be reviewed before a judge like it was the first time.

Presumably they’ll be looking to reschedule her trial for considerably sooner. The emerging evidence from another one of the organizers’ cell phones that was revealed in the bail hearing was enlightening as to her alleged motives.

The trial will definitely be interesting…

Her defence team needs to hammer away that murderers and rapists get bail, breach conditions and are arrested only to be released again. While it really has no bearing IMO on the case public opinion can be swayed.

This is looking more like persecution than prosecution.

 

[brihard]

Her defence team needs to hammer away that murderers and rapists get bail, breach conditions and are arrested only to be released again. While it really has no bearing IMO on the case public opinion can be swayed.

This is looking more like persecution than prosecution.

Literally all of that is irrelevant. The legal proceedings will turn on whether the alleged offences can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and any review of the bail decision will turn on whether it was legally correct and/or whether there’s any material change to circumstances. Public opinion doesn’t and shouldn’t come in to play. Her case will be adjudicated only on its own merits.

 

[Weinie]

Literally all of that is irrelevant. The legal proceedings will turn on whether the alleged offences can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and any review of the bail decision will turn on whether it was legally correct and/or whether there’s any material change to circumstances. Public opinion doesn’t and shouldn’t come in to play. Her case will be adjudicated only on its own merits.

Hmmm.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Public opinion doesn’t and shouldn’t come in to play.

Oh my friend......OS and I can both 100% say otherwise.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Public opinion doesn’t and shouldn’t come in to play.

Wish it were so. I'm too jaded to notice any more when I come across arguments that are variations of "courts need to listen to the people", and I wonder how many people on the inside of the "system" think that way.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Literally all of that is irrelevant. The legal proceedings will turn on whether the alleged offences can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and any review of the bail decision will turn on whether it was legally correct and/or whether there’s any material change to circumstances. Public opinion doesn’t and shouldn’t come in to play. Her case will be adjudicated only on its own merits.

Dude pass the Koolaid! OK Bad joke!

Seriously though, Public Opinion shouldn't come in to play, but it does sometimes

 

[brihard]

The justices will render decisions that to the best of their knowledge will withstand legal scrutiny and challenge. Particularly as it pertains to the criminal charges, we’re only just starting to learn some of the additional material in the possession of investigators and already disclosed to crown and likely defense, which informs both the seriousness of the underlying offences and some of the perceived risk of reoffending.

If anyone wants to actually look through the decisions today or previously and argue the primary, secondary, and tertiary bail grounds, have at ‘er. So far I’ve not seen anything coming out of the courts that wasn't well reasoned and defensible.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

The justices will render decisions that to the best of their knowledge will withstand legal scrutiny and challenge. Particularly as it pertains to the criminal charges, we’re only just starting to learn some of the additional material in the possession of investigators and already disclosed to crown and likely defense, which informs both the seriousness of the underlying offences and some of the perceived risk of reoffending.

If anyone wants to actually look through the decisions today or previously and argue the primary, secondary, and tertiary bail grounds, have at ‘er. So far I’ve not seen anything coming out of the courts that wasn't well reasoned and defensible.

All OS is saying, and I agree, is that 3 cases later once all the cameras and scribes are gone the asshole with 3 previous breaches of bail, and looking at his fourth weapons charge, just walked out like it was nothing.

We've both seen it many many times......

 

[Jarnhamar]

The government would never politically interphere with, or apply political pressure to legal proceedings, right?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

All OS is saying, and I agree, is that 3 cases later once all the cameras and scribes are gone the asshole with 3 previous breaches of bail, and looking at his fourth weapons charge, just walked out like it was nothing.

We've both seen it many many times......

Yup!

Other than be a massive nuisance, what has Tamara Lich actually done?

Perma-Jail for conspiring with others in the orchestration of the World's largest illegal parking/traffic violation event

Annoying as all hell = yes

Dangerous Offender that we must keep behind bars indefinitely =

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The government would never politically interphere with, or apply political pressure to legal proceedings, right?

Oh god.... you went there

Or this awesome headline:

RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki tried to ‘jeopardize’ mass murder investigation to advance Trudeau’s gun control efforts​

RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki tried to 'jeopardize' mass murder investigation to advance Trudeau’s gun control efforts - Halifax Examiner

RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki “made a promise” to Public Safety Minister Bill Blair and the Prime Minister’s Office to leverage the mass murders of April 18/19, 2020 to get a gun control law passed. A week after the murders, Lucki pressured RCMP in Nova Scotia to release details of the weapons...

www.halifaxexaminer.ca

 

[Good2Golf]

The batteries in my “pretending to be surprised face” have run out of juice…