General Election: Oct 21, 2019

[FSTO]

Which podcast would that be?

:cheers:

Whoops! Senior moment!
https://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/296-two-centuries-of-blackface-in-canada/

 

[Remius]

This

https://youtu.be/Do4r2kU2oB4

Compared to Scheer allegedly suggesting he sold insurance or something?  Which to you is worse than what Trudeau with the SNC BS?

You're going to vote for Trudeau no matter what he does.  :

Sounds a lot like the same thing we are seeing south of the border only on different sides of the political spectrum. 

This is what happens when polarization takes hold.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Compared to Scheer allegedly suggesting he sold insurance or something?  Which to you is worse than what Trudeau with the SNC BS?

Just because one's worse doesn't mean the other's OK. 

I suspect there'd be more than a few "stolen valour" themed memes out there if PMJT was spotted with the same level of discrepancy on his resume -- like if he was a teacher's aide when claiming to be a licensed teacher.

 

[Remius]

Compared to Scheer allegedly suggesting he sold insurance or something?  Which to you is worse than what Trudeau with the SNC BS?

A lot of people are so detached from the SNC thing that they either don't care because it does not affect them or they truly don't have a grasp of it.

But people understand what lying on a resume is when applying for a job.

 

 

[211RadOp]

West Nova PPC candidate drops name from ballot, pointing to Bernier’s ‘failed leadership’

Graeme Benjamin

14 hrs ago

The People’s Party of Canada (PPC) candidate for the district of West Nova has announced he will no longer run for the party, claiming Maxime Bernier’s rhetoric has become too divisive.

In a social media statement Monday afternoon, Chad Hudson announced he would no longer stand as the district’s PPC candidate due to “recent information regarding the People’s Party of Canada’s values” and the “choices its leadership have made.”

“It was really just a drip, drip, drip of just a steady stream of very unpleasant things,” Hudson told Global News in a phone interview Monday.

Hudson says several of Bernier's decisions have left him feeling uneasy. First was when it was revealed that one of the signatories who supported the creation of the PPC is a former leader of a U.S. neo-Nazi group.

Aside from that, Hudson also doesn’t agree with how Bernier is bringing what he calls a "Donald Trump-style of politics" north of the border.

<snip>

For Hudson, the tipping point was Bernier’s attack on international climate activist Greta Thunberg, where he called the 16-year-old with autism "mentally unstable."

“In spite of any disability that might be there, she speaks more eloquently than most people in public life do,” Hudson says. “(Bernier's) decision to go after her on a personal level, calling her mentally unstable, I think that’s sickening, quite frankly.”

More at http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/west-nova-ppc-candidate-drops-name-from-ballot-pointing-to-berniers-failed-leadership/ar-AAI4LUO?ocid=ientp

 

 

[FSTO]

Just because one's worse doesn't mean the other's OK. 

I suspect there'd be more than a few "stolen valour" themed memes out there if PMJT was spotted with the same level of discrepancy on his resume -- like if he was a teacher's aide when claiming to be a licensed teacher.

True. In this world of instant online research (not all of it legit) why would a person running for office ever think of enhancing their resume? There is no good reason for it and just sets you up for ridicule.

So Scheer never had a "profession" before joining politics. Big deal, he joined as a staffer at a young age and was able to make a career of it. Trudeau, at least had name recognition when he jumped into politics, but his resume is just about as thin as Scheer's if you really look at it.

 

[mariomike]

But people understand what lying on a resume is when applying for a job.

It's been pointed out to CAF applicants on here.

 

[Remius]

True. In this world of instant online research (not all of it legit) why would a person running for office ever think of enhancing their resume? There is no good reason for it and just sets you up for ridicule.

So Scheer never had a "profession" before joining politics. Big deal, he joined as a staffer at a young age and was able to make a career of it. Trudeau, at least had name recognition when he jumped into politics, but his resume is just about as thin as Scheer's if you really look at it.

The conservatives have been making a big deal about Trudeau's previous employment for years. 

Hard for Scheer to claim he's just like us when he never was. He's benn trying hard to show he isn't a career politician.

Hippocrytes on both sides.

 

[Journeyman]

I'll offer the same solution as last election -- leave Parliament in recess (unpaid), and we'll revisit every 6 months or so and see if we need any more legislation.  op:

 

[The Bread Guy]

I'll offer the same solution as last election -- leave Parliament in recess (unpaid), and we'll revisit every 6 months or so and see if we need any more legislation.  op:

Like Northern Ireland since January of 2017 - only their members seem to still be getting paid - albeit a bit less than before.

 

[brihard]

For sure.  And choosing an unelectable leader with links to an unpopular provincial premier who promised one thing and did another.

Apply that to whatever side you want

But one side in the election is being far more successful at defining the other side.

Indeed. With everything the CPC have had in their magazine to fire off at the LPC in this election, it should have been theirs to lose. If come the day after we haven’t changed governments, it rests pretty much entirely on the dumpster fire that was the CPC leadership selection, and the drab and uninspiring result.

At least it paves the way for someone better...

 

[The Bread Guy]

A bit of what Team Blue is promising - highlights mine ...

Today, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer detailed his plan for delivering strong Conservative leadership on the world stage.

On the same day the Munk debate on foreign policy was supposed to take place before Justin Trudeau forced its cancellation, Scheer shared details around four key pillars of his foreign policy plan which include:

    Cutting 25% of foreign aid spending – The reduction will come from middle- and upper-income countries as well as hostile regimes. We will use the savings to pay for policies that help Canadians get ahead at home and also redirect $700 million to strengthen foreign aid in the countries that need it most. We will continue to work in partnership with leading Canadian aid organizations including volunteer-focused groups who provide much-needed assistance to developing countries.

    Strengthening Canada’s commitment to traditional alliances and providing additional military and non-military support to Ukraine.

    Advocating for human rights on the world stage by using Canada’s Magnitsky legislation to target hostile regimes like Iran.

    Depoliticizing military procurement in order to properly and expediently supply the Canadian Armed Forces ...

More details @ link & in attached 3 pager - with a fair number of military commitments there as well. A couple of stand-outs for me in the 3 pager ...

... Provide military defensive aid to Ukraine’s military and restore access to Canada’s RADARSAT-2 data to Ukraine.

Advocate at the United Nations for Canadian leadership in a peacekeeping mission to secure Ukraine’s borders and expand Operation UNIFIER, Canada’s military training mission in Ukraine. 

Kinda hard leading a peacekeeping mission when you've already picked a side - sorta like if the Russians offered to lead such a mission in Ukraine.  op:

 

[FJAG]

All of those things have gotten, and continue to get, plenty of attention.

We shall see in three weeks if we do in fact deserve better. Better alternative options would not have hurt.

The last time an electorate was faced with two bad choices, too many of the proper thinking voters stayed home and as a result Trump squeaked into office. Every once in a while you have to swallow your bile and just vote for the least offensive choice. BUT. You have to vote.

:clubinhand:

 

[brihard]

I realized we got sidetracked here and inadvertantly cluttered the re:Veterans thread- can a mod chop the digression over to the election thread please?

 

[MilEME09]

If we see Trudeau loose, I wonder how the liberal party as a whole will react at the next convention? would the majority still support him or would they oust him?

 

[Remius]

If we see Trudeau loose, I wonder how the liberal party as a whole will react at the next convention? would the majority still support him or would they oust him?

If he loses he's done.  If he wins a minority he'll be hanging by a thread and might not run in the next one.  Depends on who is waiting in the wings on both sides.

 

[Remius]

Global has a good piece here on the crappy choices we have.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5948569/ipsos-poll-canada-election-undecided-voters/

 

[The Bread Guy]

... If he wins a minority he'll be hanging by a thread and might not run in the next one ...

I'll go a step further and predict that if he wins a minority, the blades will be razor honed and out October 22, with leadership hopefuls circling like sharks around the bloody chum.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

https://torontosun.com/news/national/election-2019/gunter-trudeaus-camping-pledge-is-peak-privilege

GUNTER: Trudeau's camping pledge is peak privilege

Now Justin Trudeau’s privilege truly is showing.

I’m talking about Trudeau’s announcement Thursday that the planet can be saved and the plight of the urban poor reversed if only we would spend gobs of taxpayers’ dollars getting underprivileged urchins out camping. The alleged climate “crisis” and chronic poverty whisked away with some tents and sleeping bags and, of course, government-subsidized trips to the woods.

This is at one and the same time one of the most patronizing and one of the most naive policies ever proposed during a Canadian election.

While at university I had a dorm mate who smoked a LOT of weed one night and was sure he had discovered the meaning of life. In his cannabis-induced haze he scribbled his answer down lest he forget it when his buzz dissipated. His insight, “This room smells funny,” was no more absurd than our prime minister’s “Camping Experience for Every Child in Canada.”

Trudeau is so far removed from the lives of ordinary Canadians, he just can’t comprehend regular people’s realities.

After he was caught doing blackface three(!) times, Trudeau tried to blame his serial racism on the “layers of privilege” he had had to bear in his upbringing. In that instance, the “privilege” excuse was nonsense.

But Trudeau’s proposal to spend $150 million a year on “bursaries” for 75,000 low-income families to spend four days annually in a provincial or national park is the airy dream of a privileged elitist and cries out to be lampooned.

More at link.

If he gets in again, they'll be lots more people living in tents.

And they won't be camping on the taxpayers dime.

 

[ModlrMike]

Which ever of the two larger parties win may require the other to form a workable government. Neither the NDP, Greens, nor Bloc are in favour of oil development, which with the Liberals buying TMX, and the Conservatives wanting a resource corridor would seem to be a show stopper for either of them.