georgeharper said:Because you are so set in your ways you refuse to hear anything else.
I mean really.
After the Americans spend billions bombing innocent civillans, invading and occupying countries, then setting up elections, do you really think they are then going to accept a result that was not favourable to the Americans?
I mean think about it.
The Americans have had many democratically elected governments overthrown because they were not American freindly
Now please, show me how Jack Layton is Taliban friendly
If unable to do so, then offer a public apology on this site
Your statement is full of logical holes. First, it is NOT truthful to say that Canada is now more dangerous than post "occupation" of Afghanistan. Canada, as part of NATO, was a target for the USSR. That former state had many nuclear weapons, some more than likely pointed at The True North Strong and Free. Second, Afghanistan is not ("occupied". There are numerous sources for you to see that (a) the government is a legitimate one (elected, that is) and that (b) we are there at the request of said government.georgeharper said:Got to laugh.
People can come on here and say whatever nonsense they want and call Mr Layton names and refer to him as Bin Layton, but yet, you come on here and say truthful things like Canada is now a more dangerous place due to Canada being involved in the occupation of Afghanistan, and a post like that is removed.
Ok, I will. Nobody asked the US to invade and then occupy Afghanistan. First, the US didn't invade. Second, it doesn't occupy it. It did attack it, mostly with bombs from the air and did send in some troops (special forces), but the Northern Alliance did most of the ground work. Once that was done, they asked in the US, NATO, etc to help restore security. You see, as you may recall, international law gives authority to states to strike back at other states that attack them. On 9/11, Afghanistan did NOT attack the US: Al Qaeda did, and they were, as you may recall, "guests" of Afghanistan. When asked to give them up, Kabul refused, and you know the rest of the story.georgeharper said:Now unless someone tells me who told and asked the U.S.to invade Afghanistan and then proceed to occupy it on October 7, 2001, I expect a complete apology for my post being removed
Pardon?georgeharper said:By the Americans own admission terrorist attacks have increased dramatically since the invasion of both Iraq and Afghanistan
Revisionism rocks. You "priase" Chretian for us not going to Iraq, yet you revile the fact that we are with ISAF in Afghanistan. Hypocrite. Chretien sent us to Kabul to AVOID making a decision on Iraq. At the time, had he listened to polls, Canada would have gone in to Iraq. No doubt in my mind. It was the right thing to do (but it wasn't done right). I think that the US is doing quite well now. But, I'm sleepy. I have to go poke my eyes out.georgeharper said:If you want to believe that the government is anything but an American installed government, then fine,but the reason Canada is in Afghanistan is because Canada, thankfully because of Chretien is not in Iraq, and going to Afghanistan was just a way of making the Americans think Canada cared about America created wars
Funny,
I bet all the posters on this forum wish they were in Iraq, because after all, the reason for that invasion and occupation was to make life better for those people also
Mortarman Rockpainter said:Revisionism rocks. You "priase" Chretian for us not going to Iraq, yet you revile the fact that we are with ISAF in Afghanistan. Hypocrite. Chretien sent us to Kabul to AVOID making a decision on Iraq. At the time, had he listened to polls, Canada would have gone in to Iraq. No doubt in my mind. It was the right thing to do (but it wasn't done right). I think that the US is doing quite well now. But, I'm sleepy. I have to go poke my eyes out.
It is amazing to see how many of said students find a "change of life" philosophy and become Conservatives once they find themselves raising families and wage earners like their parents were. Suddenly their parents became quite intelligent.
Now I know why I got danger pay ;DArmyVern said:I'm going to have to insert a point of clarification on this bit Rockpainter.
As I recall, the Op Athena (the deployment of pers into Kabul in May/June 2003) TAT arrived overseas to be greeted by people like me who had already been deployed into our area of operations since Jan 2002 -- well before President Bush spoke a word about Iraq. Op Apollo, did not end with the removal of Canadian infanteers from Afghanistan in 2002.
When you arrived with that TAT, and found yourself faced with moi to harass you, I had already been there 5.5 months -- as had a few hundred other pers with me. There was no lag between operations at all -- although the infantry was not involved during the whole time period, many hundreds of other Canadian soldiers/sailors and airmen certainly were.
George Wallace said:It seems that having been there and done that, means nothing to these people. If it isn't officially recorded in a sound bite from a Left leaning Anti-military, Anti-government organization, it isn't "Official", nor is it true. Why we can't see this, is beyond these people's comprehension. The world is such a mess because we are off trying to bring Peace and Good Government to other nations by military means, as opposed to the fantasy dreamt up a Dope smoking Philosophy Professor at an "Institution of Higher Learning" who has probably never held a 'real' job in their life. Unfortunately society has permitted these people to habitate the wrong types of Institutions and brainwash the young and impressionable minds of career students. It is amazing to see how many of said students find a "change of life" philosophy and become Conservatives once they find themselves raising families and wage earners like their parents were. Suddenly their parents became quite intelligent.
georgeharper has not reached that stage of evolution yet.
TCBF said:- Fact is, our taxdollars are funding the emasculation of Canada by educating people beyond their capacity to reason ........
ArmyVern said:Canadians were in danger BEFORE we went into Afghanistan -- remember all those innocent Canadians killed on Sept 11th by any chance (that occured BEFORE we went in)?
Last I heard, the Saudis had NOT launched a terrorist attack on the scale of 911,
georgeharper said:Oh please.To now suggest that Canada and Canadians were a target for a terrorist attack prior to 9/11 simply because some Canadians happened to be in the wrong place( the United States) at the wrong time is laughable.
Now because Canada is helping the U.S with the occupation of Afghanistan , Canada indeed is a target.
georgeharper said:Last I heard, Afghanistan had not launched a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11
georgeharper said:But I did hear for fact almost all the 9/11 terroist were Saudis, and not Afghanis.
georgeharper said:Last I heard, the Saudis are doing nothing to stop the growing number of terrorist camps and the brutality of the civillians .
georgeharper said:But then again, the Saudis control the American economy also.
georgeharper said:Dont want to step on any toes in that country by making life better for those people
The organization which conducted the 9/11 attacks was hosted & protected by the Afghan government of the time. You know this.georgeharper said:Last I heard, Afghanistan had not launched a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11
Again with your red herring. The Saudi government had nothing to do with sheltering AQ or conducting the attack. Regardless, even if you want to suggest that NATO should invade Saudi Arabia, this is not an argument for or against actions in any other nation.georgeharper said:But I did hear for fact almost all the 9/11 terroist were Saudis, and not Afghanis.
georgeharper said:Oh please.To now suggest that Canada and Canadians were a target for a terrorist attack prior to 9/11 simply because some Canadians happened to be in the wrong place( the United States) at the wrong time is laughable.
Now because Canada is helping the U.S with the occupation of Afghanistan , Canada indeed is a target.
Last I heard, Afghanistan had not launched a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11
But I did hear for fact almost all the 9/11 terroist were Saudis, and not Afghanis.
Last I heard, the Saudis are doing nothing to stop the growing number of terrorist camps and the brutality of the civillians .
But then again, the Saudis control the American economy also.
Dont want to step on any toes in that country by making life better for those people
georgeharper said:Now because Canada is helping the U.S with the occupation of Afghanistan
georgeharper said:Canada indeed is a target.
georgeharper said:Last I heard, Afghanistan had not launched a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11
Oh please.To now suggest that Canada and Canadians were a target for a terrorist attack prior to 9/11 simply because some Canadians happened to be in the wrong place( the United States) at the wrong time is laughable.
Flip said:the realm of reality.