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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
Ever government, of every stripe, has promised Defence that "The Good Times are five years away." Conveniently, it's always after the next election, at which point "Things have changed."

Jam tomorrow.
 
Ever government, of every stripe, has promised Defence that "The Good Times are five years away." Conveniently, it's always after the next election, at which point "Things have changed."

Charlie Brown Football GIF
 
Ever government, of every stripe, has promised Defence that "The Good Times are five years away." Conveniently, it's always after the next election, at which point "Things have changed."
And the minister will be changed by then too.

So they’re going to invest in housing on bases?
That wouldn't be a bad thing either. Not enough to address all CAF needs, but still not a bad thing.
 
And the minister will be changed by then too.


That wouldn't be a bad thing either. Not enough to address all CAF needs, but still not a bad thing.

And so will every serving officer and bureaucrat involved in the files.

Lucy doesn't have to try hard. The institutions turn out proper Charlies for her to play with.
 
“We have brought forward a plan that’s very much in discussion right now within our government about making significant new investments,” Blair said.

M’kay

“We’re going to do more. But there’s also some context in the doing that more because there is a fiscal situation in Canada that the current government has created with fucktarded spending and irresponsibility with taxpayers money I have to be realistic about.”

There, that’s better…
 
I swear, if they announce an increase by using the funds they just cut...

We return roughly a billion dollars a year to the treasury, bur they decided to cut PLD to save a whopping $30M? (Last year we returned close to 2 billion, no?)


Housing on bases I would be extremely happy about.

The Navy has the AOPS coming online with the CSC start coming down the pipe fairly soon...

The RCAF is having Christmas already. 16 new Kingfishers, 16 new P-8A, 9 MRTT, and the 88 F-35's, with high end UAV's being sorted out now...

The Army? Are there any projects you guys expect might be announced fairly soon? Maybe an AD project, re Latvia eFP maybe? Replacement of the Carl G with...new and more Carl G's? 🤨
 
I swear, if they announce an increase by using the funds they just cut...
Creative accounting ;)

We return roughly a billion dollars a year to the treasury
That is generally a CAF program failure, albeit some of those monies are allocated for future year programs.

, bur they decided to cut PLD to save a whopping $30M? (Last year we returned close to 2 billion, no?)
PLD wasn’t just ‘decided to be cut’, it was not being implemented correctly as the CAF had exceeded TB rulings for years on it.



Housing on bases I would be extremely happy about.
Dependent upon what bases, I don’t think a bunch of new homes in Cold Lake, Wainwright or Dundurn will do much, as opposed to Victoria, Vancouver and Halifax.
The Navy has the AOPS coming online with the CSC start coming down the pipe fairly soon...

The RCAF is having Christmas already. 16 new Kingfishers, 16 new P-8A, 9 MRTT, and the 88 F-35's, with high end UAV's being sorted out now...

The Army? Are there any projects you guys expect might be announced fairly soon? Maybe an AD project, re Latvia eFP maybe? Replacement of the Carl G with...new and more Carl G's? 🤨
Army has GBAD but honestly if you see here the priorities

One wonders WTF the Army is actually doing.
 
I swear, if they announce an increase by using the funds they just cut...

We return roughly a billion dollars a year to the treasury, bur they decided to cut PLD to save a whopping $30M? (Last year we returned close to 2 billion, no?)


Housing on bases I would be extremely happy about.

The Navy has the AOPS coming online with the CSC start coming down the pipe fairly soon...

The RCAF is having Christmas already. 16 new Kingfishers, 16 new P-8A, 9 MRTT, and the 88 F-35's, with high end UAV's being sorted out now...

The Army? Are there any projects you guys expect might be announced fairly soon? Maybe an AD project, re Latvia eFP maybe? Replacement of the Carl G with...new and more Carl G's? 🤨

The Army is arguably better and equipped with more modern stuff than the RCAF and RCN. Honestly they should stay on the back burner until the other two services can be brought up to speed.
 
The Army is arguably better and equipped with more modern stuff than the RCAF and RCN. Honestly they should stay on the back burner until the other two services can be brought up to speed.
While I prefer to see the airforce and Navy get up to speed before the army, in that I agree, the army is NOT better equipped at all. If it is I’d love to hear it.
 
The Army is arguably better and equipped with more modern stuff than the RCAF and RCN. Honestly they should stay on the back burner until the other two services can be brought up to speed.
That really depends on what you want an Army to do. The CA is missing major pieces of equipment to be an actual combat component.

The RCN and RCAF have equipment albeit old with no glaring gaps (other than age and serviceable rates). They also have replacements scheduled, and while long overdue, are actually on the horizon.

Sure the city class frigates may snap in half in the Atlantic - but they have missiles and radar, the CF-18’s could fall right out of the sky, but until they do they have missiles and radar, and ground attack precision bomb capability.

The Army doesn’t. It has a bunch of LAV’s, some tanks, and a few howitzers. That doesn’t make an Army.
 
That really depends on what you want an Army to do. The CA is missing major pieces of equipment to be an actual combat component.

The RCN and RCAF have equipment albeit old with no glaring gaps (other than age and serviceable rates). They also have replacements scheduled, and while long overdue, are actually on the horizon.

Sure the city class frigates may snap in half in the Atlantic - but they have missiles and radar, the CF-18’s could fall right out of the sky, but until they do they have missiles and radar, and ground attack precision bomb capability.

The Army doesn’t. It has a bunch of LAV’s, some tanks, and a few howitzers. That doesn’t make an Army.

What the Army has is all newer than what the other two have.

I think the idea that Russia will move on the Baltic states or Europe has subsided. They've been soundly ground down in Ukraine and don't seem capable of a two front war now. So keep the presence in Latvia sure. But we should be pivoting to the Pacific.

And that Pacific theater probably won't involve the Army. Even the RCN and RCAF will probably only be single ship or small task groups tacked on to allied strike/carrier groups and small numbers of planes seeing involvement.
 
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That really depends on what you want an Army to do. The CA is missing major pieces of equipment to be an actual combat component.

The Army doesn’t. It has a bunch of LAV’s, some tanks, and a few howitzers. That doesn’t make an Army.

Oh yeah!? Well 1100+ new C6's and our fancy new pistol say otherwise! 😤

It's been a while since I've been in - what are the major pieces of equipment we're missing to be an actual combat component? (Other than more LAV's, tanks, or artillery tubes?)


(ATGM & GBAD projects not withstanding, ofcourse...)
 
Oh yeah!? Well 1100+ new C6's and our fancy new pistol say otherwise! 😤

It's been a while since I've been in - what are the major pieces of equipment we're missing to be an actual combat component? (Other than more LAV's, tanks, or artillery tubes?)


(ATGM & GBAD projects not withstanding, ofcourse...)
Comms, STANO, ammo, troop lift, drones to name a few.
 
Oh yeah!? Well 1100+ new C6's and our fancy new pistol say otherwise! 😤

It's been a while since I've been in - what are the major pieces of equipment we're missing to be an actual combat component? (Other than more LAV's, tanks, or artillery tubes?)


(ATGM & GBAD projects not withstanding, ofcourse...)
Logistics vehicles of all types.

Fires.

Communications systems.
 
Oh yeah!? Well 1100+ new C6's and our fancy new pistol say otherwise! 😤

It's been a while since I've been in - what are the major pieces of equipment we're missing to be an actual combat component? (Other than more LAV's, tanks, or artillery tubes?)


(ATGM & GBAD projects not withstanding, ofcourse...)

Half of the posts on this forum must be about Army deficiencies in equipment.... and then there's the leadership ;)
 
Oh yeah!? Well 1100+ new C6's and our fancy new pistol say otherwise! 😤

It's been a while since I've been in - what are the major pieces of equipment we're missing to be an actual combat component? (Other than more LAV's, tanks, or artillery tubes?)


(ATGM & GBAD projects not withstanding, ofcourse...)
Do you really want me to go there?
 
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