Gov't staffer arrested in alleged leak of green plan

[Reccesoldier]

This guy was neither a contract worker, term or indeterminate.

He was a Temp worker, and as such swore no oath to the Crown, in effect he was not a Federal Civil Servant.  Federal Civil Servants must swear that oath.

Gentlemen,

My concern is describing him as a Federal Civil Servant, which he is not. We have many civil servants who do take their oaths very seriously and they do not deserve to have their sworn oaths tarred by this jackass.

Other than that, I fully agree with all of you.  He's an ***, deserves whatever he gets, and should be barred from ever again holding any job function which deals with personal or protected information or has opportunity to breach the public trust.  I'm quite sure that will be the case too, because if he ever is found guilty for this matter, I'd say his security clearance would never be approved for a civil service job, even at the lowest level (term employee).

If what you're saying is correct (and I'm not doubting it) then that realy begs the question what the hell was this guy doing with access to the document in the first place?!?!??!

 

[Colin Parkinson]

This guy was neither a contract worker, term or indeterminate.

He was a Temp worker, and as such swore no oath to the Crown, in effect he was not a Federal Civil Servant.  Federal Civil Servants must swear that oath.

Gentlemen,

My concern is describing him as a Federal Civil Servant, which he is not. We have many civil servants who do take their oaths very seriously and they do not deserve to have their sworn oaths tarred by this jackass.

Other than that, I fully agree with all of you.  He's an ***, deserves whatever he gets, and should be barred from ever again holding any job function which deals with personal or protected information or has opportunity to breach the public trust.  I'm quite sure that will be the case too, because if he ever is found guilty for this matter, I'd say his security clearance would never be approved for a civil service job, even at the lowest level (term employee).

Actually in all our temp contracts they agree to abide by the terms of service and must be cleared to whatever security level the job requires. Temp or not they are working for the federal government and they are required to not divulge information that is restricted, unless unlawful.

 

[armyvern]

Actually in all our temp contracts they agree to abide by the terms of service and must be cleared to whatever security level the job requires. Temp or not they are working for the federal government and they are required to not divulge information that is restricted, unless unlawful.

Do yours swear that oath? No. They are not Federal Civil servants. That is my point.

And let's face it, most Temp workers are coming in for short stints, in minimal roles. To suggest that they undergo the same level of security clearance as Federal Civil Servants is false, they do not. Now how this idiot managed to become employed in a position where he was given access to possible policy matters is a whole 'nother ballgame.

I agree with the fact he shouldn't have released the info and that's why he was arrested, but that still doesn't make him a Federal Public Servant.

 

[Edward Campbell]

Actually in all our temp contracts they agree to abide by the terms of service and must be cleared to whatever security level the job requires. Temp or not they are working for the federal government and they are required to not divulge information that is restricted, unless unlawful.

My MP (Paul Dewer, NDP, Ottawa Centre) is making the (valid) point that too many temp/contract workers are less than 100% loyal to their job - they do not have the PS ethos.  Predictably the NDP wants more and more full time, unionized jobs in the PS.

Dewar is right: there are too many part time, temporary, workers.

Dewar is wrong: we need a smaller (much smaller) core PS - full time and not unionized because the PS should be an exemplary employer and job security for honest, hard working public servants should not be an issue.

Dewar is wrong: we need many, many more contract workers.  Huge swaths - probably a majority - of PS jobs are not, in any reasonable way, essentially in the 'public' service.  They can and should be contracted out to the private sector.

We need a small, highly skilled, hard working, loyal and appropriately well paid civil service - which, as part of its mandate, manages a larger contracted set of support service providers.

 

[George Wallace]

Do yours swear that oath? No. They are not Federal Civil servants. That is my point.

This is a "Red Herring".  Just like you and anyone else for that matter, if he is in a position of Trust, he would have had to sign a document attesting to the fact that he has read and understood his duties.  Just as when you get a DIN Acct, you sign a document stating that you will not divulge sensitive info, so would he in his job.  Oath has nothing to do with it.

 

[The Bread Guy]

This guy was neither a contract worker, term or indeterminate.  He was a Temp worker, and as such swore no oath to the Crown, in effect he was not a Federal Civil Servant.  Federal Civil Servants must swear that oath.

If he didn't swear or sign an oath, or sign one, on enrollment, then I concur.  When I was taken in on a contract basis, though, that was one of the first things I did.  Are there federal employees who don't do this?  One DOES learn something new every day...

 

[armyvern]

This is a "Red Herring".  Just like you and anyone else for that matter, if he is in a position of Trust, he would have had to sign a document attesting to the fact that he has read and understood his duties.  Just as when you get a DIN Acct, you sign a document stating that you will not divulge sensitive info, so would he in his job.  Oath has nothing to do with it.

George,

With all due respect, he is not sworn in by oath, he does not fall under the PSE Act, and he is not respresented by the Union, nor does he pay into its dues. He is not a Federal Civil Servant. A red herring? For what? The fact that he is not a Federal Civil Servant. Sorry, he's not. That does not excuse what he did in any way shape or form, nor have I suggested anywhere that he be excused for it, but the fact of the matter is that he is not, nor now ever will be, a Federal Public Servant.

He, quite possibly, could have been employed for the 4 years as stated in the other article as well. But, much like an A Class Reservist for example, the employment most likely was sporadic and the benefits nonexistent.

Temp/Casual (whatever you'd prefer to call them): No oath is sworn. No entitlement to leave or benefits, no union dues, employment is limited in type and duration (max 120 working days per year in DND). The sign only an offer to work a short preset and fixed period of time on a specific task/project etc and upon it's completion are finished. Does not attend the Civilian Employee Orientation Session at the LCC. You can hire anyone as a casual to fill a shorter role as they are not hired on the basis of merit criteria IAW the PSE Act governing Public Service Employees. Does not receive an annual CPRR.

Contractor: Is contracted by the Department to perform a specific role within it, usually for an extended but non-permanent period of time, security clearance are undertaken. They sign a contract. Does not attend the the Civilian Employee Orientation at the LCC. Does not pay PS Union Dues and is not represented by the Union. Does not receive an annual CPRR.

Federal Civil Servants: (Hired on the Basis of Merit IAW the PSE Act)

Term Employee: Swears the oath. No contract is signed, but they do sign a ""Letter of Offer" for employment in a specific position with an unspecified end date but for no longer than 2 years (2 years is the max for DND but it is different for each department). Security clearance is undertaken. Can attend the Civilian Employee Orientation Session at LCC. They earn leave and can use leave, but do not pay Union dues and are not represented by the Union. Receives an annual CPRR (Civilian Performance Review Report).

Indeterminate Employee: Swears an oath. Contract is signed for extended period of time with no contract end date. The first year of an Indeterminate contract, he is considered to be on probation.  Entitled to all negotiated benefits and leave IAW their table. Pay Union dues, and are represented by the Union. Can attend the Civilian Employee Orientation Session. Receives an annual CPRR (Civilian Performance Review Report).

 

[larry Strong]

I wonder if he was actually using the paper or was it on another desk and he just helped himself to it?

 

[The Bread Guy]

I wonder if he was actually using the paper or was it on another desk and he just helped himself to it?

If his main job is media monitoring, based on my limited experience, can't see how secret squirrel stuff can come across the desk of this kinda staffer.

 

[larry Strong]

That was my thought. So could he be charged with theft also?

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

I grew up in Ottawa and I can assure you there are some pretty sketchy people working in our Government....just try to get any of them fired...it takes an act of parliament practically.

 

[Reccesoldier]

just try to get any of them fired...it takes an act of parliament practically.

Nope, same as in the CF all it takes is for the supervisor to cross the T's and dot the I's.  The problem lies in the willingness of the supervisor to take the proper corrective action.

The excuse that the union is too powerful or the public service won't allow it is just that, an excuse used by managers at all levels who are afraid of doing their jobs.

 

[GAP]

If the supervisor cannot or will not do their jobs, then they need to be replaced, as they are not performing their jobs satisfactorily. It works everywhere else (mostly), except where the Peter Principle applies.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Having watched people get fired/let go, believe me it takes action by the Regional Director General to get it done, the union will have to go up to bat for them if requested (by law) and the union rep that is representing me right now in a administrative grievance told me about a couple of incidents which I knew the people involved where he was totally disgusted with their behavior, but was forced to represent them.