Has the Carney Liberals broken a vow with Veterans and First Right of Refusal by the Commissionaires?

[Jarnhamar]

The fact that we haven’t had a mass shooting with numerous fatalities at a CFB or PRes armoury is purely a product of nobody yet deciding they want to commit a mass shooting with numerous fatalities at a CFB or a PRes armoury. It’s certainly not because of actual force protection measures.

Very recently I drove on to a base and the Commissionaire waved me through after holding up my ID. When I went to put my ID away I realized it was a green debit card.

 

[Furniture]

Very recently I drove on to a base and the Commissionaire waved me through after holding my my ID. When I went to put my ID away I realized it was a green debit card.

When I was in Cold Lake the passes for the restricted area were similar enough in look to a pack of Players Light that if you forgot your pass the pack would work most times, particularly after hours.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

RCN wise we are also quickly approaching a time where the security they, the Commissionaires, provide is not considered up to par with what will be required to operate the RCD and AEGIS.

You can bet the other private security firms are even less so. Particularly as their main source of employees are PR or someone who is a ordinarily resident in Canada . My friend in the RCMP, question how diligent the Ministry of Public Safety and Solicitor General's Security Programs Division is considering how many security guards in Surrey can't speak English.

 

[Halifax Tar]

You can bet the other private security firms are even less so. Particularly as their main source of employees are PR or someone who is a ordinarily resident in Canada . My friend in the RCMP, question how diligent the Ministry of Public Safety and Solicitor General's Security Programs Division is considering how many security guards in Surrey can't speak English.

I don't see private security having much of a future for the RCN. I think the time is coming fast when we will be crewing gates with armed CAF guards 24/7/365.

 

[brihard]

I don't see private security having much of a future for the RCN. I think the time is coming fast when we will be crewing gates with armed CAF guards 24/7/365.

I’d see both. Civilian security for stuff like ID checks and pass control, and some sort of armed presence for actual threats. That also has the benefit of not getting your armed guys and girls sucked into looking at ID cards and getting distracted.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Very recently I drove on to a base and the Commissionaire waved me through after holding up my ID. When I went to put my ID away I realized it was a green debit card.

At Discovery I checked the ID and expiry dates, but the challenge is the OR can't issue new ID before it expires.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I don't see private security having much of a future for the RCN. I think the time is coming fast when we will be crewing gates with armed CAF guards 24/7/365.

In Germany they had Germans in uniform at the gates and armed Canadian as well. I can't recall if the Germans were armed or not?

 

[Halifax Tar]

I’d see both. Civilian security for stuff like ID checks and pass control, and some sort of armed presence for actual threats. That also has the benefit of not getting your armed guys and girls sucked into looking at ID cards and getting distracted.

I see RCN bases looking like Norfolk.

 

[brihard]

I see RCN bases looking like Norfolk.

Never been. What’s that look like to someone showing up to drive in?

 

[Blackadder1916]

In Germany they had Germans in uniform at the gates and armed Canadian as well. I can't recall if the Germans were armed or not?

'Some' of the Germans were armed, just like 'some' of the Canadians (mostly dependent spouses) were armed (position related - most visible being the airfield main gate). After a few instances of the Canadians pulling guns on each other (typically because of sexual infidelity - both marital and extra-marital), they took the Canadians' weapons away.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Never been. What’s that look like to someone showing up to drive in?

Its a big base. Multi lane gates with strictly controlled access with armed guards pass control is off to the side outside the gates. Generally by the Master-At-Arms, an MOSID that does force protection, law and security for the USN.

https://cnrma.cnic.navy.mil/Installations/NAVSTA-Norfolk/Operations-and-Management/Force-Protection/

Master-at-arms (United States Navy) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Master-at-Arms provide waterborne and land security, aircraft and flight line security, strategic weapons and cargo security, maritime security and platform protection; conduct customs operations, corrections operations, detainee operations, and protective service operations; perform force protection, physical security and law enforcement; organize and train personnel in force protection, physical security, law enforcement, and weapons proficiency; develop plans for physical security and force protection enhancement of Navy bases, installations, property, and personnel; and assist commands in conducting terrorist threat analysis and implementing defensive measures

 

[AmmoTech90]

1990 the dependent guards were still armed.