Helicopter/Cyclone discussion (split from HMCS Fredricton thread)

[kev994]

Do I hear a new DLN course in the making?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Article Link

Technical Brief on the Recovery Operation of the RCAF CH-148 Cyclone Helicopter

Media advisory

May 18, 2020 – Ottawa – National Defence / Canadian Armed Forces

Media are invited to a technical brief, on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, to discuss the recovery operation for the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CH-148 Cyclone, following the accident that resulted in the tragic deaths of Sub-Lieutenant Abbigail Cowbrough, Captain Brenden Ian MacDonald, Captain Kevin Hagen, Captain Maxime Miron-Morin, Sub-Lieutenant Matthew Pyke, and Master Corporal Matthew Cousins on April 29, 2020.

In order to respect physical distancing, space will be limited. We encourage media to pool their coverage of this event and/or attend by teleconference.

When:
Tuesday, May 19 at 3:00 pm

Where:
West Block, Room 225
Parliament Hill
Wellington Street, Ottawa, Ontario

What:
Canadian Joint Operations Commander (CJOC), Lieutenant-General Michael Rouleau; Maritime Component Commander (MCC), Rear-Admiral Craig Baines; and Joint Force Air Component Commander (JFACC), Major-General Alain Pelletier will provide information about the planned Recovery Operation to locate and recover the remains of our fallen members and the Cyclone helicopter.
Teleconference:

Media can also participate by teleconference.
Toll-free (Canada/US) dial-in number: 1-866-206-0153
Local dial-in number: 613-954-9003
Passcode: 1325562#

 

[daftandbarmy]

Do I hear a new DLN course in the making?

Or a helocast-podcast

 

[LiveFightMove]

Article Link

Technical Brief on the Recovery Operation of the RCAF CH-148 Cyclone Helicopter

U.S. Navy helping Canada to recover helicopter from fatal military crash | FULL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt5PupBUo4

 

[PuckChaser]

Out of security concerns (I got a malware warning when going to the last posted link), I binned the last post. The issue wasn't with the website or the author, but an ad server that the website uses that is a known malware distributor.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Update: US Navy contributes Remora ROV to Canadian CH-148 recovery attempt

The US Navy (USN) is contributing a Remora 3 salvage remotely operated vehicle (ROV) to the Canadian Armed Force’s (CAF’s) recovery attempt of a Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) Sikorsky CH-148 Cyclone maritime and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopter crash that took place in the sea off Greece on 29 April.

The Phoenix International Remora 6000 is a 6,000 m-rated work-class vehicle developed for deep ocean salvage, search, and broadcast-quality optical documentation. There are two Remora ROVs: Remora 2 and Remora 3.

The Remora will be mated with the EDT Hercules for the operation. 

 

[MilEME09]

https://www.facebook.com/207409132619743/posts/3448510705176220/

Post and pictures by CAF operations, ship has left Greece destined for the search/recovery area. Expected to arrive in approximately 48 hours.

 

[MilEME09]

Part of the helicopter has been found.

"Update: The combined #CAF and US Navy search and recovery team operating from EDT Hercules has located a large piece of the #Stalker22 fuselage and remains of our fallen were also found in the vicinity of the wreckage. The recovery team will continue their search for both our fallen and additional pieces of the wreckage. We remain committed to staying on site for as long as necessary. We know this operation is important to many of you, and we will provide updates as they become available."

https://www.facebook.com/207409132619743/posts/3454051124622178/

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

???

Am I the only one that thinks it's pretty funny that, according to that GoC Facebook page, the only parts of our armed forces that are actual armed forces are the RCN and the Thunderbirds?

Everybody else, including the Canadian Army, the RCAF and the CAF are listed as merely "government organizations".  ;D

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The next Liberal "White Paper" "No military needs scary weapons"

 

[Cloud Cover]

???

Am I the only one that thinks it's pretty funny that, according to that GoC Facebook page, the only parts of our armed forces that are actual armed forces are the RCN and the Thunderbirds?

Everybody else, including the Canadian Army, the RCAF and the CAF are listed as merely "government organizations".  ;D

Not only that, it’s the USAF Thunderbirds, not even our own 426 Thunderbird Sqn....

 

[Eye In The Sky]

https://www.facebook.com/CBCNovaScotia/videos/274226737106157/

Recovery operations have concluded; 8 days total.  EDT Hercules is en route to Augusta, Sicily. 

 

[PuckChaser]

Update from RAdm Baines with details from the recovery mission including debris field size and sizes of the debris itself.

https://www.cmfmag.ca/operations/search-and-recovery-mission-wraps-up-for-stalker-22-and-caf-personnel/?fbclid=IwAR1OevPQgfzj_P96GQH4QgcY4piD0vG15SBlA8F_UhX57eNhgF9XUOzYbl4

 

[OceanBonfire]

Directorate of Flight Safety releases initial report on CH-148 Cyclone accident

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2020/06/directorate-of-flight-safety-releases-initial-report-on-ch-148-cyclone-accident.html

 

[observor 69]

I appreciate the link. Cheers

 

[MilEME09]

So in simple terms it lost lift and crashed into the ocean?

 

[Mick]

Loss of lift is not mentioned in the From the Investigator summary.  No cause is mentioned for the final high energy descent.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

So in simple terms it lost lift and crashed into the ocean?

There is no 'in simple terms' to speak of, at all.

The FTI report is a brief summary of the circumstances and factual information known at this time. It does not provide full details surrounding the accident, which is still under investigation.

Also:

“While the From the Investigator report identifies areas of focus for the remainder of our flight safety investigation, there is still a tremendous amount of work to do to understand the exact circumstances that contributed to the accident. We’re thankful for the support we’ve received so far from across National Defence, the whole of government, as well as the collaborative efforts of Sikorsky. We remain committed to conducting a thorough investigation to identify all we can that may contribute to safer flying operations.”

Colonel John Alexander, Director of Flight Safety and Department of National Defence’s Airworthiness Investigative Authority

 

[PuckChaser]

Fortunately the crash was within visual range of the ship, FDR and CVR were recovered relatively quickly and a majority of the debris was able to be brought up from the sea as well. Hopefully that makes a difficult investigation easier from an evidence standpoint and provide recommendations/solutions/closure as quickly as possible.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

So in simple terms it lost lift and crashed into the ocean?

There was no indication from the investigator that vortex ring state or any other aerodynamic loss of lift scenario was being examined.