High Speed Train Coming?-split from boosting Canada’s military spending"

[Altair]

But, gotta love the memes. Lol

 

[YZT580]

150 to 180 flights between Montreal and Toronto per day.

Plus all the traffic on the 401.

All elites.

This thread is nothing but a hate fest over the largest drivers of the Canadian economy.

It must irk some that the economy of Toronto is bigger than the economy of Alberta or BC. God forbid they get a infrastucture project. If a project isnt moving raw resources out of the ground and out of the nation it's not worth it clearly.

Toronto has maybe a third of the GTA population. I proposed an infrastructure project that provides a service to the entire population and also serves the rest of Southern Ontario. How is that a hate fest. I have lived with a well-developed rail system and it doesn't start with a point to point service: it provides a way for all to access it and we do not, repeat for emphasis, do not have the infrastructure in place to fulfill the dreams of your professionals. And your figures are bullshit. You are always accusing others of shoddy or negligent research so here is a clipping saying otherwise.
There are over 167 flights every week between Toronto and Montreal, which averages to about 24 flights per day operated by various airlines.

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I don't think those that oppose or question the construction of an HSR have a hate fest for your movers and shakers but rather are questioning to cost/benefits of it all. All construction starts with planning and is followed by the installation of a solid foundation before any of those beautiful facades that are visible to the public are installed. HSR is all about a beautiful facade: it lacks the foundation for growth.

 

[Altair]

Toronto has maybe a third of the GTA population. I proposed an infrastructure project that provides a service to the entire population and also serves the rest of Southern Ontario. How is that a hate fest. I have lived with a well-developed rail system and it doesn't start with a point to point service: it provides a way for all to access it and we do not, repeat for emphasis, do not have the infrastructure in place to fulfill the dreams of your professionals. And your figures are bullshit. You are always accusing others of shoddy or negligent research so here is a clipping saying otherwise.
There are over 167 flights every week between Toronto and Montreal, which averages to about 24 flights per day operated by various airlines.

flightroutes.com Expedia
I don't think those that oppose or question the construction of an HSR have a hate fest for your movers and shakers but rather are questioning to cost/benefits of it all. All construction starts with planning and is followed by the installation of a solid foundation before any of those beautiful facades that are visible to the public are installed. HSR is all about a beautiful facade: it lacks the foundation for growth.

You caught me in a typo.

 

[Kilted]

Too bad this isn't going to happen before the Divisional realignment for all those people who get told "by the way, you need to be in Montreal tommorrow, but make sure you are back in time for parade at 1900.

 

[dapaterson]

Too bad this isn't going to happen before the Divisional realignment for all those people who get told "by the way, you need to be in Montreal tommorrow, but make sure you are back in time for parade at 1900.

Good news! The Army will reorg again, and again, and again both before and after high speed rail between Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal is complete.

 

[JLB50]

Slow trains on tracks slow down fast trains on tracks. It's the same problem VIA has on CN/CP tracks.

But how many times a day will there be HSR trains? I’m sure there must be a way to accommodate some slower moving VIA Rail trains.

 

[Altair]

But how many times a day will there be HSR trains? I’m sure there must be a way to accommodate some slower moving VIA Rail trains.

...Why run a slower Via rail train when you could send a HSR train instead? Or are you saying add additional stops along the ALTO route?

 

[dapaterson]

But how many times a day will there be HSR trains? I’m sure there must be a way to accommodate some slower moving VIA Rail trains.

They're already accommodated on existing rights of way. The high speed rights of way won't have whistle stops in Ingersoll or Casselman. That's one of the ways to get high speed - not stopping at every Podunk shack on the side of the rails.

 

[ytz]

But how many times a day will there be HSR trains?

Every hour in each direction is their minimum. Half hourly during peak.

I’m sure there must be a way to accommodate some slower moving VIA Rail trains.

Remember those math problems in grade school?

Work out what happens when one train is running at 320 kph and another at 201 kph (top speed possible for VIA Siemens Ventures). Next add in more stops for the slower train.

You'll quickly realize there is no point. It's actually better to just take a bus 50 km and transfer to HSR. Which is exactly what they do in sparser areas of most places with HSR.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Every hour in each direction is their minimum. Half hourly during peak.



Remember those math problems in grade school?

Work out what happens when one train is running at 320 kph and another at 201 kph (top speed possible for VIA Siemens Ventures). Next add in more stops for the slower train.

You'll quickly realize there is no point. It's actually better to just take a bus 50 km and transfer to HSR. Which is exactly what they do in sparser areas of most places with HSR.

HSR rail should only be on electrified tracks, with no other trains using those tracks. Freight and VIA trains stay on the existing rail network.

 

[ytz]

Toronto has maybe a third of the GTA population.

This is like saying Pearson Airport only serves Mississauga.

You don't seem to get it yet. HSR stations are like airports. They get feed from a whole region. Plenty of people will GO train to Union and transfer to Alto. Just like they would drive to Pearson to catch a flight.

 

[ytz]

HSR rail should only be on electrified tracks, with no other trains using those tracks. Freight and VIA trains stay on the existing rail network.

I wouldn't worry about speculation on this thread. It's mostly ignorant of any actual facts. I might the only one in this thread that actually even attended an open house.

They will not be mixing trains on corridors they own. They'll share when they get into cities since they have to. And they are cutting deals with GO and Exo to do just that.

VIA will have to change once Alto is in service because easily 60-80% of the Corridor East ridership will move to Alto. Either they redesign the service around the Kingston hub model (which would be good for Lakeshore residents) or turn the whole thing in to a 5 hr GO train ride like they did to London.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Plenty of people will GO train to Union and transfer to Alto. Just like they would drive to Pearson to catch a flight.

No they won't,........not for a vacation with any amount of luggage.