Honours & Awards (merged)

[Dkeh]

I am not important enough to have any bling, but do have a question.

I have heard you can not get a CD if you have been charged?

This iste is a good source of info on past and current military medals. I have used it a few times when I have seen a 'vet with chest jewlery I don't recognize.

http://www.peacekeeper.ca/medals.html

 

[aesop081]

I have heard you can not get a CD if you have been charged?

Some charges will cause delays in your eligibility for the CD but, by itself, a charge does not preclude you from getting your CD.

I have been charged and still got my CD on time.

 

[Danjanou]

II have heard you can not get a CD if you have been charged?

I hope not or I'll have to give mine back and I just had it remounted ;D

This iste is a good source of info on past and current military medals. I have used it a few times when I have seen a 'vet with chest jewlery I don't recognize.

http://www.peacekeeper.ca/medals.html

Let me know if you come across anyone wearing that Fenian one  still breathing I'd call Walt.  BTW anyone notice what's wrong with the Korean Vets set pictured there?

 

[Occam]

Precedence looks okay, ribbons seem correct, gongs aren't backwards...  ???

 

[PuckChaser]

Instead of me posting the things I know about medals and such I would rather hear what the general knowledge is out there, hear the questions and guide fiction towards fact.

You work for DH&R or something? We need some context on your knowledge...

 

[aesop081]

You work for DH&R or something?

I very much doubt that:

MOSID:Combat Engineer
Rank:Cpl
Unit:Canadian Military Engineers

 

[Dooley]

I am not important enough to have any bling, but do have a question.

I have heard you can not get a CD if you have been charged?

This iste is a good source of info on past and current military medals. I have used it a few times when I have seen a 'vet with chest jewlery I don't recognize.

http://www.peacekeeper.ca/medals.html

For better info and refs see the following sites:
DH&R - For current authorized medals
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhr-ddhr/index-eng.asp
VAC
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/collections/cmdp/mainmenu
GG - For current Orders and Honours
http://www.gg.ca/document.aspx?id=5

As for the CD, CDN Aviator is right certain charges can result in time being deferred; these have to be serious in nature, See following DWAN link:
http://cmp-cpm.forces.mil.ca/DHRIM/mhrrp/ch18/engraph/ch18b_e.pdf

NES, ED&T, LWOP and Supp Res is all time that is not counted towards the CD.

 

[PuckChaser]

Precedence looks okay, ribbons seem correct, gongs aren't backwards...  ???

Only thing I can think of is that the member isn't authorized the CPSM unless his/her tour started before 27 July 53 and ended sometime after that date. They'd get both medals Korea service and UN Korea and the CPSM would be good to go because of the UN Korea was awarded after 27 Jul 1953.

 

[Dkeh]

For better info and refs see the following sites:
DH&R - For current authorized medals
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhr-ddhr/index-eng.asp
VAC
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/collections/cmdp/mainmenu
GG - For current Orders and Honours
http://www.gg.ca/document.aspx?id=5

As for the CD, CDN Aviator is right certain charges can result in time being deferred; these have to be serious in nature, See following DWAN link:
http://cmp-cpm.forces.mil.ca/DHRIM/mhrrp/ch18/engraph/ch18b_e.pdf

NES, ED&T, LWOP and Supp Res is all time that is not counted towards the CD.

Thank you Lrrr, ruler of the planet Omacron Persai 8. Very informative.

 

[Dooley]

Let me know if you come across anyone wearing that Fenian one  still breathing I'd call Walt.  BTW anyone notice what's wrong with the Korean Vets set pictured there?

Occam is right, there is nothing wrong with this picture.  Depending on when this mbr served in Korea, they would be elgible for the CPSM.  And since the CPSM is a Canadian Honour it is always before any international medal.

 

[Danjanou]

Only thing I can think of is that the member isn't authorized the CPSM unless his/her tour started before 27 July 53 and ended sometime after that date. They'd get both medals Korea service and UN Korea and the CPSM would be good to go because of the UN Korea was awarded after 27 Jul 1953.

Ding ding we have a winner. Actually Odd was what I meant to say rather than "wrong" as the CPSM is usually not seen without a corresponding UN/NATO medal  there are rare exceptions though

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhr-ddhr/chc-tdh/chart-tableau-eng.asp?ref=CPSM
Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal Non-Eligible Service
Revision Date : 28 January 2011
• First and Second World Wars;
• Korea during the period 27 June 1950 to 27 July 1953;
Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal Eligible Service
• UNCOK [UN Commission on Korea] (12 December 1948 – 7 October 1950)
• UNCURK [UN Commission on the reunification and rehabilitation of Korea] (7 October 1950 - 2000)
• UNC [UN Command in Korea] (28 July 1953 – 27 June 1957)
• UNCMAC [UN Command Military Armistice Commission] (28 July 1953 - )

We had a similar one oh here a while back. The VAC commercial with TEss in had another vet with just an SSM and CPSA  and there was  a fair discussion on how that  happened.

Ok Occam bonus round is there any incidence of for mounting a medal back to front?

Hint not Canadian and not official policy just what many awarded said medal have chosen to do.

 

[Occam]

Only thing I can think of is that the member isn't authorized the CPSM unless his/her tour started before 27 July 53 and ended sometime after that date. They'd get both medals Korea service and UN Korea and the CPSM would be good to go because of the UN Korea was awarded after 27 Jul 1953.

You'll find there are a fair number of RCN personnel (not so sure about Army) who fit those criteria.  My father was on HMCS Huron, it was post 27 July 1953 service in Korea that earned him the CPSM, in addition to the Korea medal and the UN Korea Medal.  I think HMCS Cayuga and HMCS Haida were also in theatre after 27 July 1953 (as well as tours during the conflict), so their crew would've been eligible for CPSMs as well.

 

[Danjanou]

You'll find there are a fair number of RCN personnel (not so sure about Army) who fit those criteria.  My father was on HMCS Huron, it was post 27 July 1953 service in Korea that earned him the CPSM, in addition to the Korea medal and the UN Korea Medal.  I think HMCS Cayuga and HMCS Haida were also in theatre after 27 July 1953 (as well as tours during the conflict), so their crew would've been eligible for CPSMs as well.

Probably right. I should check into my Father's eligibility for it.  So any ideas on my trick question?

 

[Occam]

Nope....was it a form of protest in some way?

 

[Ostrozac]

Hey everyone, long time lurker, first time caller.

As to a medal being worn reversed, wasn't that very common for the Waterloo Medal? I believe I even saw a portrait in the Guards Museum in London where they specifically mention that the guardsman in the portrait has his medals mounted incorrectly.

But I don't think it was a mass protest against King George IV. It was just that the back of the medal actually says "WATERLOO" in big bold letters -- and that everyone who was at that battle wanted to show it off.

(Edited because I got reverse and obverse mixed up)

 

[Sub Standard]

Ding ding we have a winner. Actually Odd was what I meant to say rather than "wrong" as the CPSM is usually not seen without a corresponding UN/NATO medal  there are rare exceptions though

You may find that there are quite a few sailors that have the CPSM with out a corresponding UN/NATO medal for service off the coast of Haiti in 93 and 94 for OP Fwd Action.  Most of the ships tours on station were too short to qualify any medal.

 

[Danjanou]

You may find that there are quite a few sailors that have the CPSM with out a corresponding UN/NATO medal for service off the coast of Haiti in 93 and 94 for OP Fwd Action.  Most of the ships tours on station were too short to qualify any medal.

so it appears, thanks.

Nope....was it a form of protest in some way?

yup, also unique in that it was awared to combatents on both sides and the international monitoring force that oversaw the end of the conflict.

The Zimbabwe Independence Medal was awarded to all those who were serving in Rhodesia in April 1980 - Rhodesian Security Forces, Commonwealth Monitoring Forces and the Patriotic Front (ZAPU/ZIPRA). The correct placement is to have the Zimbabwe Independence Medal first with the Zimbabwe Ruins facing.

This medal was unique, being the first medal to have ever been issued to all sides of a conflict in the world. Over the years there has been a resistance by entitled Rhodesians to wear the medal. In New Zealand precedence was set by the late Peter Bomford MC to wear the Zimbabwe Independence Medal last on his group and to reverse it in protest (see the group above, right hand side). He believed that those entitled to the medal should wear it, but if they were not happy with the situation to make their protest known thus.

http://www.rhodesianservices.org/medals.htm

 

[Tank Troll]

You'll find there are a fair number of RCN personnel (not so sure about Army) who fit those criteria.  My father was on HMCS Huron, it was post 27 July 1953 service in Korea that earned him the CPSM, in addition to the Korea medal and the UN Korea Medal.  I think HMCS Cayuga and HMCS Haida were also in theatre after 27 July 1953 (as well as tours during the conflict), so their crew would've been eligible for CPSMs as well.

My Dad was with the Pats and was eligible for one . (As were the rest of the Bn)

 

[Dooley]

Refs
CANFORGEN 003/09 - APPLICATION FOR SERVICE/CAMPAIGN MEDALS
CANFORGEN 047/09 - DESIGNATION OF MEDALS APPLICATION CLERKS
CANFORGEN 096/09 - PROOF OF SERVICE FOR MEDALS ENTITLEMENT

Info on ordering service medals for serving mbr’s of the CF:

All applications must be created using the Medal Application Processing System (MAPS), a part of PeopleSoft, through the unit OR; a clerk with specific MAPS access is required. 

Once the application has been registered in the system an Intranet Medal Application Submission Report (IMASR or Submission Report) is printed and the CO must sign and date attesting that the member(s) on the Sub Rpt are eligible for the medal requested and that qualifying service has been correctly entered on the mbr’s MPRR.

The Sub Rpt is mailed, with a 728, to DH&R with the MPRR and any other Proof of Service (POS) attached.

A few key things to remember are:
1) It is in fact the Unit CO, or in their absence the delegated signing authority, that signs the Sub Rpt.
2) The MPRR has been updated to show, in the assignment history, the correct org name, location and dates in/out of theatre for every tour.  In the case that the mbr is posted to a theatre a CCPS (pay screen) will be required in order to determine the exact date of departure. 
3) An application for medals CANNOT be created before the member has met eligibility requirements, (i.e. on or after the mbr’s CD forecast date is when an application can be created)

 

[Dooley]

Ref: CANFORGEN 127/00 - COURT MOUNTING OF MEDALS AT PUBLIC EXPENSE

Court mounting medals

The common misconception is that if you only have one then you don’t need to have it mounted.
All CF mbr’s are required to have their medals court mounted and as such the CF will pay, or reimburse the cost, for all court mounting of medals and parts to them (i.e. bars, numerals etc).
Depending on your area one can usually just bring their medals to the local clothing stores to be either done on site or contracted out.  The mbr can always go to a private company and get the medals mounted there.