How do we compare physically?
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Lol haggis....snap that pic for quiet time back in the tent? ;D j/k
Anyway it would be nice to see how other countries precieve us canadians.
trp hale?
all our usmc guys?
Anyway it would be nice to see how other countries precieve us canadians.
trp hale?
all our usmc guys?
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Ever eat in a French mess hall? Mystery solved.
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still not remaining within the arcs as outlined by the thread-starter, people. At least, what I think he meant.
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paracowboy said:
Arcs?? This thread is a WMD!!!
US ration portions are 20% smaller than ours. Threrfore one could extrapolate that US troops are, by consequence, 20% lighter/fitter/thinner? So??? Take some good ol' boy from Alabama, strap his *** to a toboggan in Nunavut and see, FER SHER, how we stack up. Conversely, take some hoser (eh!) from North Bay, drop him in Ft. Polk Louisiana, in July, and see how long he lasts.
This thread, like all others about fit/fat soldiers, is bound to swing back and forth between international anecdotes and penis comparison.
Arcs, indeed!
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Haggis,
Refer to the previous posts please. Your tightening the noose on the neck of this thing.
Refer to the previous posts please. Your tightening the noose on the neck of this thing.
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Haggis said:Time for me to step back from this one, recceguy...
Para: I'm not pissed at you, just at where these threads usually go. Not a nice place to visit.
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Which is why is has such a tight lane. Thanks.
I'm not sure how many people watch the PR stuff on the DND website, so some of you may have seen this. I thought I'd add this link as it pertains to the thread's topic. It would appear someone in the CF figures our soldiers are doing pretty well, but again, I take it with a "PR spin" size grain of salt.
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http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/6_1_1_1.asp?id=1154
J
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/6_1_1_1.asp?id=1154
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The level of fitness over here is quite good i've found. Its pretty similier to back home really. I have a theory that PT only gives a base of fitness to work with, its a good base mind you, but your not going to win any body building comps after going to the Regi gym 3 times a week.
Our BFA (basic Fitness Assesment) for a 19 yr old is 50 push ups, 100 sit ups and 2.4km in under 12ish. I dont know what the Canadian one is like but if you look after yourself thats not exactly a big challenge for someone to get through.
I'd say that Canadian soldiers compare to Australians although (and this could just be a little bit of bias) we are a bit fitter (with the exception of myself!).
All in all its seems very similiar.
Our BFA (basic Fitness Assesment) for a 19 yr old is 50 push ups, 100 sit ups and 2.4km in under 12ish. I dont know what the Canadian one is like but if you look after yourself thats not exactly a big challenge for someone to get through.
I'd say that Canadian soldiers compare to Australians although (and this could just be a little bit of bias) we are a bit fitter (with the exception of myself!).
All in all its seems very similiar.
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Could we be fitter? Of course. I think we may often make the mistake of comparing in it's entirety, our small military with the combat arms, specifically the infantry and or the SF of the US and the UK. Ech trades don't have or really require the same levels of fitness that should be automatic in the Cbt Arms.
I am currently wrapping up an international course for infantry/sf/recce run by the Brits. The UK certainly has the exact same complaints about fitness that we have in the CF, and their military is on average about 10 years younger than ours. My fellow Canadians on course were in equal or better shape than any of the other 92 candidates. My observation is that we are at least from an infantry standpoint, clearly better at carrying weight over distance.
Comparing Cdn MOC to foreign MOC may paint a less bleak picture. However, those who are an obvious drain on the CADPAT supply had better be bringing something else to the table.
I am currently wrapping up an international course for infantry/sf/recce run by the Brits. The UK certainly has the exact same complaints about fitness that we have in the CF, and their military is on average about 10 years younger than ours. My fellow Canadians on course were in equal or better shape than any of the other 92 candidates. My observation is that we are at least from an infantry standpoint, clearly better at carrying weight over distance.
Comparing Cdn MOC to foreign MOC may paint a less bleak picture. However, those who are an obvious drain on the CADPAT supply had better be bringing something else to the table.
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From my experiences, in comparing our pointy end units to other countries' we are on par with our NATO allies. Different areas of concentration for sure, as we seem to have a running fetish while many units (in the US for example) prefer calisthenics.
I would give us a slight edge in the endurance aspects (running/humping).
I would give us a slight edge in the endurance aspects (running/humping).
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I believe that when comparing respective areas ie. infantry, other cbt arms and CSS, of fitness with other army's level of fitness we fair well. I think our Cbt arms are comparable, but it is our CSS troops where our level is less then others, in particular when comparing the USMC or the British to our forces.
If you want to compare fitness testing standards, I find ours is below those from the US forces.
If you want to compare fitness testing standards, I find ours is below those from the US forces.
Gday, Canadians.
I'm not a Canadian Soldier but i am a Soldier in a Commonwealth country. Any way, i was just looking up the fitness standards and basic training for different countries, and i found Canada's. I dont mean to be a dick but... its nothing... Don't get me wrong i'm not starting a crap fight it doesn't matter what country you're with we all put our hands up and volunteered for this crap and we all watch each others backs.
What i want to know is why its so low? is there a particular reason? for comparison sake.
Canada's fitness standards:
Pushups 19
Sit ups 19
2.4 k run 11:50 something
My countries fitness standards:
Push ups 45 (will get yelled at for anything less than 60)
Sit ups 80 (will get yelled at for anything less than 100)
2.4k run 11:18 (you will have to provide a please explain for anything over 10:30 and probably be forced to report to a PTI to get your fitness up)
I also watched a series the CA Army did about basic training, and i have to admit its kinda luxurious... From what i cam make out, you guys get to go home on week ends, you don't really get corrected that much, (yelled at) you get more privileges, you don't get beasted, don't have collective punishment. (i.e some one ****s up the entire platoon suffers for it) And you guys appear to be able to back chat staff without any real consequences. (a rec was talking while being corrected and like nothing happened... our basic training she would have had 3 CPLs in her face then probably charged by the Platoon Commander for insubordination)
Once again, for comparison in 14 weeks, we got maybe a total of 8 ish hours local leave, and only the last month of basic we got week ends off, to socialise and go to the on base cinema. We could only use our phones on week ends, and time was so strict, you often had to choose between having a smoke or going to the toilet, like it was dead set that strict.
So yeah i'm just wondering why Canada is like that? i don't get it... it just have a feeling of... overly PC or something
I'm not a Canadian Soldier but i am a Soldier in a Commonwealth country. Any way, i was just looking up the fitness standards and basic training for different countries, and i found Canada's. I dont mean to be a dick but... its nothing... Don't get me wrong i'm not starting a crap fight it doesn't matter what country you're with we all put our hands up and volunteered for this crap and we all watch each others backs.
What i want to know is why its so low? is there a particular reason? for comparison sake.
Canada's fitness standards:
Pushups 19
Sit ups 19
2.4 k run 11:50 something
My countries fitness standards:
Push ups 45 (will get yelled at for anything less than 60)
Sit ups 80 (will get yelled at for anything less than 100)
2.4k run 11:18 (you will have to provide a please explain for anything over 10:30 and probably be forced to report to a PTI to get your fitness up)
I also watched a series the CA Army did about basic training, and i have to admit its kinda luxurious... From what i cam make out, you guys get to go home on week ends, you don't really get corrected that much, (yelled at) you get more privileges, you don't get beasted, don't have collective punishment. (i.e some one ****s up the entire platoon suffers for it) And you guys appear to be able to back chat staff without any real consequences. (a rec was talking while being corrected and like nothing happened... our basic training she would have had 3 CPLs in her face then probably charged by the Platoon Commander for insubordination)
Once again, for comparison in 14 weeks, we got maybe a total of 8 ish hours local leave, and only the last month of basic we got week ends off, to socialise and go to the on base cinema. We could only use our phones on week ends, and time was so strict, you often had to choose between having a smoke or going to the toilet, like it was dead set that strict.
So yeah i'm just wondering why Canada is like that? i don't get it... it just have a feeling of... overly PC or something
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So, are you looking for a d*** measuring contest about how hard your training was? If you were honestly curious about the standards, you worded it pretty poorly.
Just for reference, most of the real soldiers/sailors/airmen think our PT standards are a joke as well.
Just for reference, most of the real soldiers/sailors/airmen think our PT standards are a joke as well.
This is just my 2 cents worth...
1. You hit the nail on the head. I don't think many of us "older folks" would disagree with you on that one, about things becoming overly PC.
2. For the regular force BMQ, I believe you are stuck at recruit school for the duration of training. For the reserves, some of their basic courses are run on the weekends, so they can focus on the more intensive training during the summer months.
3. This is a bit of a long one...and I'm certainly open to being corrected if I am wrong. But my thinking is:
- BMQ (basic military qualifications) is made relatively easy, because they focus on the most basic of the basic. Uniforms, drill, basic rifle handling, rank structure, etc. This course is for all military members, regardless of whether someone is going infantry, or is going to be a drummer in a pipe band.
- Once a recruit completes BMQ, they progress to the next level of their training which is far more specific to their trade - and that training is far more demanding and brutal than what BMQ was, depending on the trade.
- For example - someone becoming an infantry soldier will have a very high quality of training, and a very demanding course. Someone who is joining to be a supply clerk, or dental assistant, would move on to the next level of their respective training, which would be far different.
**To summarize - BMQ is relatively easy, and everybody has to go through it. Once that is done, recruits will endure more aggressive courses depending on their trade.
1. You hit the nail on the head. I don't think many of us "older folks" would disagree with you on that one, about things becoming overly PC.
2. For the regular force BMQ, I believe you are stuck at recruit school for the duration of training. For the reserves, some of their basic courses are run on the weekends, so they can focus on the more intensive training during the summer months.
3. This is a bit of a long one...and I'm certainly open to being corrected if I am wrong. But my thinking is:
- BMQ (basic military qualifications) is made relatively easy, because they focus on the most basic of the basic. Uniforms, drill, basic rifle handling, rank structure, etc. This course is for all military members, regardless of whether someone is going infantry, or is going to be a drummer in a pipe band.
- Once a recruit completes BMQ, they progress to the next level of their training which is far more specific to their trade - and that training is far more demanding and brutal than what BMQ was, depending on the trade.
- For example - someone becoming an infantry soldier will have a very high quality of training, and a very demanding course. Someone who is joining to be a supply clerk, or dental assistant, would move on to the next level of their respective training, which would be far different.
**To summarize - BMQ is relatively easy, and everybody has to go through it. Once that is done, recruits will endure more aggressive courses depending on their trade.
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FYI, if people were home every weekend, you may have been watching Reserve troops training. We don't have job protection legislation in Canada, like some Commonwealth countries, so it would be hard for part-time troops to get time off for a significant stretch of full-time recruit training.Steve726 said:
Have to agree with PuckChaser ...
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