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Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

You know just while we are working on how to divest all the Stryker units, we continue on the path to buy a howitzer for them.
:unsure: US Army thank you for wasting my tax dollars (again).

The M109A8 ECP is stuck in engineering hell -- and hey its go work on a gun to support a formation off something we want to get rid of...

I mean if I was BAE, I would offer it as a zero dollar ECP to the USG, as you are going to recoup on all the resultant sales anyway.
Watching 4th and 7th Div taking shape, my guess is that the Strykers will be around for a while. And a new longer range gun would fit the bill.

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An alternate US supplier of the Hydra 70mm rockets that form the core of the APKWS II Prox CUAS missiles.

If we need/want 70mm rockets then this is certainly something we should build domestically.

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Indirect fire suport for the infantry



The thing is, that looks a lot like an earlier Aussie invention that was used by the Brits and the USMC.


The form factor also serves as a submunition

 
Need new barrels? Ukraine is selling.


Further to.....

The Ukrainians have spare capacity because their government has stopped ordering guns.

"155-mm Bohdana howitzers, which account for 70% of Ukraine's total artillery arsenal. However, production of these systems is at risk of being halted."

"In total, more than 1,000 systems from the Bohdana family have already been manufactured, accounting for as much as 70% of Ukraine's entire artillery fleet. However, KZVV has not received a government order for nine months, which is expected to lead to a halt in production. Moreover, production will remain suspended for several months even if an order is received now, as the company needs six months to prepare components for a new contract."

"it is important to note that this does not mean that all of the military's needs are met and that production is no longer necessary. Artillery remains relevant on the battlefield despite the dominance of drones, providing high firepower and strike capabilities. To enhance its survivability, the focus is now shifting toward procuring longer-range 155-mm ammunition."

"the CAESAR Mk2—which is conceptually similar to the Bohdana—costs approximately $3.2 million per unit under its contract with France, but with a full export package, it could be significantly more expensive."

"the self-propelled Bohdana costs $2.5 million, while the towed Bohdana-BG, mounted on a Soviet chassis, costs $1.6 million."

"A Ukrainian-produced gun carriage has also already been developed and will cost several hundred thousand dollars, bringing the total cost of the finished system to $1.8 million."

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FYI - HIMARS comparison.

  • U.S. Domestic Price: A single launcher costs around $4.9 million based on recent U.S. Army budgets. Newer production lots can reach up to $7.8 million per unit. [1, 2]
  • Foreign Export Price: International sales often cost $19 million to $20 million per launcher. These higher prices cover the truck chassis, communication gear, and extra support equipment. [1, 2]
 
Cheaper precision in GPS denied environments

 
Cheaper precision in GPS denied environments


The same solutions can be screwed on to cheap ballistic rockets



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I am guessing the same trend applies to everything that flies.
 

The Europeans starting to pay attention to Canadian sales possibilities?
"Baltic Defence Review" has apparently launched "Dominion Defence Review" as a new enterprise.

The big problem I see is that the cost of a NEMO turret on an armoured 8x8 is apparently broadly comparable to the price at which South Korea is selling the 155 mm K9s.

I am not sure that I see the advantage of NEMO over the K9 in a LCSO scenario.
 
Maybe restart the Abbot SPG, but built around a 120mm breachloading mortar.

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Maybe restart the Abbot SPG, but built around a 120mm breachloading mortar.

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16.56 t
5.8m long
2.6m wide
2.5m high

CC-130 Maxes

21.183 t
16.76m long
3.02m wide
2.74 high

If you mean a vehicle that will deliver self-propelled indirect fire support and fit inside a CC-130 so that it can accompany light forces, regardless of weapon or calibre, then we agree.

But if that is the intent then how about this?


Of course that would also suggest retreating from the ACSV to the Bison and reducing the weight to supply support for light forces.
 

The Europeans starting to pay attention to Canadian sales possibilities?
"Baltic Defence Review" has apparently launched "Dominion Defence Review" as a new enterprise.

The big problem I see is that the cost of a NEMO turret on an armoured 8x8 is apparently broadly comparable to the price at which South Korea is selling the 155 mm K9s.

I am not sure that I see the advantage of NEMO over the K9 in a LCSO scenario.
The 120mm mortar requirement is separate from the SP Howitzer requirement. Different roles so it's not a one or the other scenario.
 

The Europeans starting to pay attention to Canadian sales possibilities?
"Baltic Defence Review" has apparently launched "Dominion Defence Review" as a new enterprise.

The big problem I see is that the cost of a NEMO turret on an armoured 8x8 is apparently broadly comparable to the price at which South Korea is selling the 155 mm K9s.

GR66 addressed that -



I am not sure that I see the advantage of NEMO over the K9 in a LCSO scenario.
Mortars belong to the Battalion Commander -- the Arty does not.
The Guns can be tasked away -- the Mortars cannot (well I guess technically the Bde Comd could detach them from the BN - but that is splitting hairs and is extremely unlikely if the BN is in contact or expected to be.
 
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