Informing the Army’s Future Structure - CAMO Discussion

[childs56]

Would you rather the PRes exist in a vacuum with no real task? They thumb their nose at being an augmentation force,

When did they thumb their nose at being an augmentation force? They seem to of provided many for the various tasks and roles over seas. I don't blame a soldier who takes time off from school or their work to augment the Regular Force on Training and such then get to kick the broom around. Or even the boys who deployed over seas to be told by the reg force warrant the Reserves were only good enough to provide gate guard so the real Soldiers could conduct patrols outside the wire.

didn't jump into the niche tasks (HUSAR, etc)

As soon as they get some nice gear, they tend to loose it right away along with the funding to maintain the skills and equipment.

and now you're thumbing your nose at Defense of Canada and DOMOPS?

If 2 Div is only capable of DOMOPS then the PRes leadership (yes, it's not the RSS' fault) has absolutely failed. This new structure provides a proper day to day mission task with a secondary task of full scale mobilization to keep the Regiment of Silly Hats crowd happy.

I think the direction maybe wrong. You need a Home Guard along with a deployable Reserve Force.
You have to equipment and fund both properly or you get nothing worth the effort in return.

 

[Brad Sallows]

They thumb their nose at being an augmentation force, didn't jump into the niche tasks (HUSAR, etc) and now you're thumbing your nose at Defense of Canada and DOMOPS?

Who is "they"? It's certainly possible Res F attitudes changed a lot since I released, but I recollect units (including senior leadership, including associations) being mostly chuffed that some of their soldiers were augmentees, and having no control over niche task assignments.

If 2 Div is only capable of DOMOPS then the PRes leadership (yes, it's not the RSS' fault) has absolutely failed.

Do you mean in the future? What happens if the CO is RSS?

 

[PrairieFella]

Would you rather the PRes exist in a vacuum with no real task? They thumb their nose at being an augmentation force, didn't jump into the niche tasks (HUSAR, etc) and now you're thumbing your nose at Defense of Canada and DOMOPS?

If 2 Div is only capable of DOMOPS then the PRes leadership (yes, it's not the RSS' fault) has absolutely failed. This new structure provides a proper day to day mission task with a secondary task of full scale mobilization to keep the Regiment of Silly Hats crowd happy.

Funny, on my deployment as a reservist they always told us that they could never have succeeded without the 15-20% of the subunit that was reservists. I guess that really means we were thumbing our noses at them eh?

 

[markppcli]

Funny, on my deployment as a reservist they always told us that they could never have succeeded without the 15-20% of the subunit that was reservists. I guess that really means we were thumbing our noses at them eh?

The point puck chaser is making is that if the reserve embraced that augmentation roll they'd adopt a structure optimized to perform it.

 

[PrairieFella]

The point puck chaser is making is that if the reserve embraced that augmentation roll they'd adopt a structure optimized to perform it.

Thats not reasonable to put on the Reserve Force. The reserve structure is what Ottawa tells them to be. Maybe Im not quite on picture here but I fail to see how reserve units can reform themselves to improve augmentation outcomes without the orders and support from the top. Everything from kit, infrastructure, establishment limitations and overtraining considerations prevent reserve units from attaining what I think should be the ultimate goal, sending formed sub-sub-units and even sub-units.

The ARes is exactly as Army HQ wants it to be.